Algae problem

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Hi all! I inherited a 30 gal tank w/fish about 15 months ago. I really need a resource besides the PetSmart employees for help with questions.

First - Can you help me with hard-to-clean algae? I never had a problem until I put a new lightbulb in, a couple months ago. It is the same wattage as the old one but lots brighter. So I set it down to only being on 4 hours a day, instead of 8-12. Still it grows. Within 2 weeks after a thorough cleaning the glass is getting streaked with it. I scrub as hard as I can with the rough side of a blue Scotchbrite and still can barely get it off. I have tried 3 algae eaters (not sure what kind) but they keep disappearing (getting eaten, I presume).

I have 2 large-ish silver dollars, a bala shark, a clown loach, a molly, and 2 dalmation-looking catfish.

I have a bottle of stuff that says helps with algae (Algae Destroyer Liquid) but I'm not seeing that (yet? after one dose) and I'm afraid to use it too much. I clean the whole tank monthly... possibly too clean? I spend about an hour at it. Any advice? THANKS!
 
First, what do you mean by 'you clean the whole tank monthly'? Tear down? If so--you'll need to stop. Tanks do not need to be torn down unless you're moving it. Regular maintenance--cleaning the filter media, vaccuming the gravel, water changes, cleaning off the glass, yes, but more than monthly--I do water changes every week, more often if I have time, and will clean filters etc more often as well. If you are teating the tank down monthly, you are killing the bacteria that process nitrogen wastes. This provides more food for the algae--opposite of what you want.

Do you have test kits? If so, what are your ammonia.nitrite and nitrate readings?

Second--that is a HUGE bio load. Those fish will be way too big for a 30 gallon tank--and will be stunted if kept in there too long. Silver dollars got 9-10 inches, balas get to over a foot and tend to need to be in a group, the clown will eventually outgrow the tank but is okay for now, the molly is okay, and the catfish may be--depends on their species. I would find new homes for the bala and silver dollers--they really won't work out in the long run, and will contribute to problems you have.

Do not add more fish for now! Algae eaters--some will be okay, but others will not. They tend not to eat algae their entire life, and most are picky about what type of algae they eat.
 
Thanks for replying!

I hired a PetSmart employee who moonlights to come teach me how to maintain the tank when I first got it. I do what she recommended monthly, which is basically: cycle out 1/4-1/2 the water while vacuuming the gravel, clean the whole lid assembly and filter assembly, change the carbon bag, bleach the rock ornaments (well, she said do that every 3 months but they have algae now so I do it more often). Basically clean it all. I know I spend more time at it than most, so I've been rotating some things to every other month lately.

The fish I've added were on her recommendations, or other PetSmart employees'. They contradict each other enough, though, I'm beginning to realize I need another source. I've looked around online for a good tutorial guide to cleaning/maintenance but haven't found one. Can anyone provide a link to the RIGHT way to clean and maintain my tank?

And a link to something showing which fish I should be keeping?

I don't have a test kit. I was told just take it to PetSmart for testing. Should I buy one?

THANKS!
 
Last question first--yes, a test kit of your own is invaluable. It allows you to monitor water conditions, and verify that your water is in good shape. Testing for ammonia and nitrites is valuable for cycling and emergencies, while nitrates are a good indicator of when to do water changes in unplanted tanks.

For maintenance: I clean the substrate weekly. The filter media gets rinse clean of solid waste once a week at least, sometimes more often. During weekly water changes, I prune my plants, as well. The glass gets cleaned whenit needs it--maybe once a month. The outside of the glass is wiped free of water as often as it needs it. For the filter, I siphon solid waste out of the container, and break down the pump about once every three months for cleaning. The glass top gets cleaning about once every 6 months, or if it starts to get nasty.

I never, ever, remove my rocks for bleaching. The little bit of algae on them is attractive, IMO, and certainly does not hurt the tank in anyway. Bleaching the rocks will kill off all of the beneficial bacteria on them, reducing your biological filtration.

I don't run carbon--it's not needed, unless you are removing medications following treatment or removing tannins.

A Simple Guide to Keeping Freshwater Fish by David Burchowitz is an exellent guide--it covers all aspects of keeping a tank, and some guidance for selecting fish.

There are many references for fish sizes. FishBase.org is fairly reliable for wild sizes--and IMM, this should be the standard you strive for in the aquarium as well. Otherwise--there are several good books that will help out. Baensch is the best, but costly. I would not trust PetCo--while there are a few people that are experienced and knowledgable, they are few and far between. Most are familiar with the myths, but not the facts. I'm willing to bet that most of them will tell you that it doesn't matter that balas can get to 12 inches and more--'Fish only get to the size of thier aquarium'. This is hogwash!
 
Ugh. I just called them (PetSmart) and asked if they will take the fish that are too big for me, to resell, or what I should do with them. She said "Set them loose in a pond." WTF?

She did say Petco would take them. I guess I'll confirm that and take them there. Or is that a bad plan?

I need to buy some books, I guess. Thanks for your help!
 
I took the three big fish to the Petco employee and he said "Those aren't too big for a 29gal! Not at all!" They were almost 6 in. long. Anyway, I gave them to him. "I think I'll start turning it into a community tank", I told him. He said all my fish are fine with community fish.
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I guess I'll just keep researching, just keep researching... ;)
 
If the employees are telling you to set loose an aquarium fish, I don't think I would ask them for any more advice. It is highly illegal and risky.

If they're also saying three 6" fish aren't too big for a 29 gallon, I would suggest not to go there either.
 
Laugh at the newbie: I couldn't find anything by Burchowitz on amazon or bn.com so I went to the library and DID find one by David Boruchowitz, spelled a little different, which is the reason I couldn't find it online. I checked it out along with two others, got home and realized they're all about saltwater aquariums. ARG! Now I know... "marine" = salt in this context. We are boaters and to us marine = water! I think all the library had was books with "marine" in the title. I guess freshwater maintenance is a no-brainer.

I did also look up some web sites and all I see is things like this: "Maintenance is cycling 25% of the water every couple weeks." Hmm. Maybe that's what I need to try? Leave everything else alone?

Orion - Are you saying don't bother putting those bags of carbon over the sponge in the filter? Just run it with the sponge? And rinse that out once a week?

Yes, I'll avoid both PetSmart and Petco in the future. I did look up a specialized store and will drop by there.

THANKS!!
 
Yep, I really don't use carbon as a regular part of my filtration. I have it, so I can use it if needed, but the majority of the wastes in your tank are biologically removed, or diluted with water changes.

Good call on not releasing fish--big time no-no.

Sorry on the mis-spelling--too many syllables ; The Simple guide series are fairly recently released, but I picked mine up at Barnes & Nobles.
 
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