Want to grow plants? This is how!

The Plantman

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You see a lot of DIY Co2 plans and installation instructions. You see the charts and how to tell how much DIY Co2 is in your aquarium. But you don’t see very much on how to adjust it and keep it regulated.

My installation advice is,

Firstly, NO HOB filters will work. If you use a HOB filter you will not be able to get Co2 into the water faster then it is leaving because HOB filters disturb the surface of the tank to much and you’ll be wasting your time. How to get the CO2 efficiently into your tank is the tricky part. You can buy a proper diffuser that requires a powerhead to work. Or you can have the bubbles sucked into the intake of a canister filter. A canister filter like the Eheim classic series (don’t use its splash bar). The exhaust must be below the waters surface, pointed just about straight and about 1 inch below the surface. Also you need to make at least a twin bottle system. Start with the one bottle and two weeks later hookup the second one. Change one every two weeks. Bakers yeast produces Co2 for about 3 weeks in a 2L jar.

Once you have your Co2 going wait for 2 days and then measure the tanks PH with a “low” range PH test kit (6.0-7.6) and KH with a KH test kit. Once you have the numbers look at a Co2 chart like this one. Don’t EVER put any chemicals in your tank; many can affect the test kits accuracy.

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If you get a PH reading of 7.6 and a KH of 5 you’ll have a result of about 3.8ppm and therefore something is wrong with the set-up. You have to much surface disturbance, the C02 is not effectively been defused into the water or you’re not generating enough Co2 to begin with. If you go the canister route you should not be getting any bubbles coming out of the exhaust after the end of the first day. If you went with the powerhead solution the bubbles should virtually vanish seconds after exiting the powerhead soon after the first day. If these two things are right then lower the tanks surface disturbances, and after 2-3 hours, test again. Once you start getting a real reading say in the 10-15ppm you can leave it alone. 10-15ppm will make a visible difference to your plants in about a week. If you up it to 25-30ppm and have enough nutrients in the tank, your plants will go nuts! You’ll be able to see growth almost daily.

Do your water changes religiously 15-25% (depending on fish load) every week, same day, keep the fish load low early on until the tank starts to really green up. The serious planted tank needs the plants to take priority over the fish. Fish are a means of Nitrate production and you only want enough fish to produce just enough Nitrates to feed the plants, any more and algae will be more then happy to use them up for you! I believe that if you’re willing to take good care of your plants in this manner you can have a lot more fish in the tank then would otherwise be possible. A well planted Co2 injected Aquarium is a Nitrate and Phosphate devouring machine!
 
Laugh... did you just find that...

Unfortunately, the only real tried and true way to estimate CO2 levels with the column is with a drop checker and 4DKH... And this is only and estimate. Buffers in our aquariums cause significant variations to hardness, on a daily basis.

Those calculators only work kinda.

I can sorta/kinda get a decent estimate by using my local water report(annual average anyway), and my pH controller. Most people wont have a controller to give precise pH readings, and Im sorry but guessing and comparing the color of reagent based test kits is for the birds.

Some of the most experienced Planted Aquarists will tell you to turn up your (PRESSURIZED) CO2 slowly until the fish go for the surface, then back it down slightly.

If someone really wants to grow plants, then he/she should research each aspect of our hobby. I probably have 1000 hours(guesstimate) of research over the years, and I still am no expert. You want answers, go see Mr. Barr. He is one of the current and foremost leaders in the planted aspect of our hobby.

I can tell you my plants grow, my fish live, and I dont have to deal with poor water conditions causing bacterial blooms or algae problems... EVER, because of my research and inquires of the other enthusiasts who have already experienced what I may be going through currently. I am not afraid to ask when Im not sure.

I have also invested thousands of dollars into my hobby and take great pride in my success with it. This is another important factor in the success of any endeavor.

Im sorry, but telling everyone that "this is how you grow plants" is not only wrong and uneducated, but also hanging yourself out to dry when one of us comes across a post like this. Dont waste peoples time guessing and posting pictures of pH to hardness relationship/CO2 concentration diagrams, and then tell them to use DIY yeast based CO2...

Come on bubs, let go read a book and talk about what we learned today.

-Aaron.

P.S. You would have been better off to ask the good folks here, a question about your hypothesis/guess.
 
Laugh... did you just find that...

Unfortunately, the only real tried and true way to estimate CO2 levels with the column is with a drop checker and 4DKH... And this is only and estimate. Buffers in our aquariums cause significant variations to hardness, on a daily basis.

Those calculators only work kinda.

I can sorta/kinda get a decent estimate by using my local water report(annual average anyway), and my pH controller. Most people wont have a controller to give precise pH readings, and Im sorry but guessing and comparing the color of reagent based test kits is for the birds.

Some of the most experienced Planted Aquarists will tell you to turn up your (PRESSURIZED) CO2 slowly until the fish go for the surface, then back it down slightly.

If someone really wants to grow plants, then he/she should research each aspect of our hobby. I probably have 1000 hours(guesstimate) of research over the years, and I still am no expert. You want answers, go see Mr. Barr. He is one of the current and foremost leaders in the planted aspect of our hobby.

I can tell you my plants grow, my fish live, and I dont have to deal with poor water conditions causing bacterial blooms or algae problems... EVER, because of my research and inquires of the other enthusiasts who have already experienced what I may be going through currently. I am not afraid to ask when Im not sure.

I have also invested thousands of dollars into my hobby and take great pride in my success with it. This is another important factor in the success of any endeavor.

Im sorry, but telling everyone that "this is how you grow plants" is not only wrong and uneducated, but also hanging yourself out to dry when one of us comes across a post like this. Dont waste peoples time guessing and posting pictures of pH to hardness relationship/CO2 concentration diagrams, and then tell them to use DIY yeast based CO2...

Come on bubs, let go read a book and talk about what we learned today.

-Aaron.

P.S. You would have been better off to ask the good folks here, a question about your hypothesis/guess.


It's not necessary to be mean.

I am not telling people that they have to use a DIY system just that they can. I know test kits are not accurate to the .1 but you can get a very good idea of what you have. KH does not swing wildly LOL!

My first tank,
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My current tank,
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PH test I shake tank water to get Co2 out, PH about 7.6
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Straight tested with no shaking, PH about 6.8
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I’m sorry if you feel threatened somehow, but the write up is mine and I know what I’m talking about!
 
that table assumes your only buffers are carbonates. any other buffers and that chart is useless.

i know you think you know what you're talking about. many people come to this forum with successful (and some not so successful) tanks and think they know how they got there. some eventually move and are faced with different water conditions, fail miserably because they cannot conform to a philosophy other than the conclusions they've come to with their old conditions. then they quit. it happens all the time.

i have 2 tanks that are doing pretty well also, but i don't know everything about plants. one tank currently has a small amount of algae. i've made some changes lately and i'll need co2 to fix that issue now. i cannot afford it currently so i'm battling it little by little. and when i say little i mean there's almost none there, but it bugs me to no end.

my other tank on the other hand i'd be happy to pay your way, feed you and buy whatever equipment you'd need if you can find ANY algae in it. this tank is VERY low tech might i add and the plants are doing quite well. i'm running a fluval 1plus internal with spiral cfl's, ferts always in the water cloumn since i dose while adding my w/c water, air stones and always over 4ppm phosphates. according to people with similar philosophies as yours my tank is impossible in more ways than i wish to count. i may not test anymore, but after a couple years of testing several times in the same day several times weekly (and sometimes up to 3 times a day) i think it's safe to say i know why and how to prevent the algae i got long ago. not only that but i've been successful using water with at least 5 different value sets. there's my original tap water, the seasonal change that happens at the plant before and after winter, the new values since they've revamped the facility, rain water and several different brands of bottled water i used while they were tearing up my streets cleaning the water main out. i've had to add different amounts of ferts to just about each water type i've used.

at any rate this tank works basically completely opposite of your philosophies...


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now, you tell me is 4-8 ppm phosphates and an absolute minimum of 10ppm nitrates constantly an issue after seeing this?

how about no co2 and air stones constantly de-gassing the water column?

EDIT: how about a filter rated for 2-10 gallons running a tank by itself with about 25 gallons of water with a bioload many would consider overstocked?
 
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that table assumes your only buffers are carbonates. any other buffers and that chart is useless.

i know you think you know what you're talking about. many people come to this forum with successful (and some not so successful) tanks and think they know how they got there. some eventually move and are faced with different water conditions, fail miserably because they cannot conform to a philosophy other than the conclusions they've come to with their old conditions. then they quit. it happens all the time.

i have 2 tanks that are doing pretty well also, but i don't know everything about plants. one tank currently has a small amount of algae. i've made some changes lately and i'll need co2 to fix that issue now. i cannot afford it currently so i'm battling it little by little. and when i say little i mean there's almost none there, but it bugs me to no end.

my other tank on the other hand i'd be happy to pay your way, feed you and buy whatever equipment you'd need if you can find ANY algae in it. this tank is VERY low tech might i add and the plants are doing quite well. i'm running a fluval 1plus internal with spiral cfl's, ferts always in the water cloumn since i dose while adding my w/c water, air stones and always over 4ppm phosphates. according to people with similar philosophies as yours my tank is impossible in more ways than i wish to count. i may not test anymore, but after a couple years of testing several times in the same day several times weekly (and sometimes up to 3 times a day) i think it's safe to say i know why and how to prevent the algae i got long ago. not only that but i've been successful using water with at least 5 different value sets. there's my original tap water, the seasonal change that happens at the plant before and after winter, the new values since they've revamped the facility, rain water and several different brands of bottled water i used while they were tearing up my streets cleaning the water main out. i've had to add different amounts of ferts to just about each water type i've used.

at any rate this tank works basically completely opposite of your philosophies...


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now, you tell me is 4-8 ppm phosphates and an absolute minimum of 10ppm nitrates constantly an issue after seeing this?

how about no co2 and air stones constantly de-gassing the water column?

EDIT: how about a filter rated for 2-10 gallons running a tank by itself with about 25 gallons of water with a bioload many would consider overstocked?


You make a lot of really good points! Give me some time to think about it.
 
You still got me on the floor with the reagent deal... Hmm looks blueish to me:grinyes:

Go get one of these, the numbers look blueish to me...
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You still got me on the floor with the reagent deal... Hmm looks blueish to me:grinyes:

Go get one of these, the numbers look blueish to me...

Yes, one is blue (little co2 after a good shaking) the other is green (more Co2 no shaking). both samples taken from the tank within 10 minutes of one another. Maybe get your eyes checked? or perhaps you have an issue with your monitors color settings?
 
I'm a little confused. Plantman is showing tanks with almost all low light plants. And some Amazon swords. I've grown the same plants beautifully and as full if not fuller with 2 watts per gal and no CO2. And no algae to speak of.

It's great to share what works for you. I'd offer it like that. And be sure to include all water and tank parameters. Because people in different parts of the country and the world may have very different ones...ones that respond differently.

Where are you located, btw?
 
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