Flower horn or EBJD

[nano cichlids]

Well I've been posting a lot lately to much time in my hands :headshake2: lol anywho I'm thinking of trying a nice breeding project. I have to ideas and I just want to know everyines thoughts. I would like to try and get some high grade flower horn juvis and pair them up. I think it'd be nice to get HQ flower horns, then just sell them online and to local fish keepers. My other plan is to get ahold of a few Blue Gene female Jack dempseys I have a large male as you all know 10.5inches he's an absolute beast, if I get some blue gene females and try to produce high quality EBJD I think that'd also be nice, of course i'd be selling them on here and MFK just like any cichlids I breed. And suggestions and ideas for species to breed are welcome I can order from Jeff Rapps at anytime and get very nice breeders, just wana know what everyone would like to see. Thank you for your input!

~Kyle :headbang2:

[Lab_Rat]

My vote is for EBJDs. Is your male an EBJD or a BGJD?

[nano cichlids]

My male is a Regular Jack Dempsey. Just dawned on me that I need a male EBJD hahaha, oh well I'm sure If I do a lil lookin around I could easily find a nice breeder.

[jetajockey]

You could always get a female EBJD. They aren't as rare as some internet claims make them out to be.

[nano cichlids]

The fry would be viable? See I was always told that you NEED a male becuase the males genes are more dominant than the females. But hell that'd work to I just need a pretty good sized female.

[Lab_Rat]

You need a BGJD x EBJD or BGJD x BGJD to get EBJD fry. Finding adult EBJD is difficult, the only ones I've found would be prohibitively expensive for shipping (I think I was quoted that it would be $350 to overnight him, that didn't include the cost of the fish).

If you just get a female EBJD and breed her with the male regular dempsey then you won't get any EBJD fry, only BGJD fry. You could then grow those out and cross them (though would be better to get a BGJD from a separate source for less inbreeding).

[jetajockey]

The fry would be viable? See I was always told that you NEED a male becuase the males genes are more dominant than the females. But hell that'd work to I just need a pretty good sized female.
I couldn't answer that. I have plans to breed my EBJD male, I have several JD/BGJD fry mixed together so it's a crap shoot as to whether he hooks up with the right one lol.


I would definitely check on the JD forum site, there are a couple guys on there that are professional breeders and can probably give you answers via experience rather than the traditional internet knowledge (Cut n Pasteology)

[jetajockey]

I took this info from an online site, so I don't know how reliable it is, I know next to nothing about genetics :)
http://bluejax.co.uk/breeding.aspx

in the first part he talks about how a ebjd/jd mix produces 100% bgjd, then carries on to speculate about an ebjd/jd producing ebjd fry. makes no sense :(

[nano cichlids]

Well I could buy an EBJD grow him or her out see if it becomes a male or female and then decied from there what to do. I'm thinking if I buy a EBJD juvi becuase that's really all you can get unless someome traded in around here, place it in a grow out tank then look for another juvi EBJD from a different LFS or Vendor and grow them out together once I get male or female I can make the choice as to if I should buy female jacks and start from scratch Itd be a pain but worth it in the end. Maybe I'll look around for just a female blue gene and a nice sized EBJD. Or I could always get two blue genes from two diffrent sellers?

[nano cichlids]

Yeah genetics are confusing but I got deep into this idea a few years ago I think it was and I had the whole punnet squares and genes written out with each particular trait I wanted from each Jack ahaha I'm a nut job if anyone wondered

[Kalen]

I have read that EBJD X EBJD offspring are usually not viable and die off before they reach a sellable size. With that in mind, it is my opinion that you would be best off with a male EBJD and a female BGJD. EBJD's are less aggressive than their standard counterpart, and males are larger than females, therefor a male Jack would probably be too aggressive for a female electric blue. The size/aggression issues should even out fairly well this way. Also, wouldn't EBJD X BGJD result in [roughly] a 50/50 ratio of electric blue and blue gene offspring? I haven't done punnet squares since I was in middle school, but I believe if you worked it out on paper that is what you would get. Keep in mind, I am no expert on the subject so I cannot say with 100% certainty that what I am saying is fact, but I have however studied breeding electric blue's for roughly six months and this is what I have concluded.

[jetajockey]

Yes everything I've read says ebjdxbgjd is 50% bgjd 50% ebjd, so you can plan on culling/rehoming half of the group off the bat.

[nano cichlids]

Kalen your 100% correct EBJD x Reagular JD = 100% BGJD that carry the blue trait, met you take a female from that spawn and breed it with an unrelated male to get 50% ebjd and 50% normal JD you cull the fry to keep them from the blue siblings and raise the EBJD, now I think my best way to do this is to get a 75 gallon divide it and on one side place an EBJD and Regualr Jack then on the other have the same process but I would need to grow out the ebjd to a breedable size or find one for sale. I could always find a female BGJD but idk how many people have grown ones for sale I'd like to stay away from aquabid just becuase you can't trust that site, to many scams. If anyone on here knows where I can get them (EBJD or BGJD) please let me know! But I'm thinking in the mean time while I set everything up I'll breed green terror or Freddy cichlids!
Any other suggestions as to breeding and maintaing an EBJD tank?
~Kyle

[jetajockey]

the everything dempsey forum has some reputable breeders on it. I actually bought my EBJD around 3" from a LFS, which was nice because I could pick out which one I wanted, they had 3 or 4 at the time.

One thing I noticed with mine when I first got him was he seemed very shy and lethargic, but I had him at room temp. I bumped the temp up to 80 and he's been out and about ever since.

I actually keep him with a handful of other small JDs, I picked the largest out of a group that I had and put them with him and they seem to get along well, once I can sex them reliably I'll pull the males out and just give him a harem to choose from.

[Jill-O]

Well, my vote is the Flowerhorn route, but then I'm a real fan of Flowerhorns :) :) :)

[nano cichlids]

I would love to try flower horns but Im about to order a breeding pair of BGJD from Ken fishfarm thanks to tropics haha but nice I get more tank size I'd be more than happy to try breeding some ZZ dragons expensive but could very well be worth it

[Kalen]

I would love to try flower horns but Im about to order a breeding pair of BGJD from Ken fishfarm thanks to tropics haha but nice I get more tank size I'd be more than happy to try breeding some ZZ dragons expensive but could very well be worth itLet me know if he has any pairs right now. I emailed him last months and he was sold out.

[nano cichlids]

Will do kalen if he doesn't which I highly doubt I could help you find some there's a local pair around my area but the breeders asking 100$ for them I'm working on lowering the price

[Kalen]

The last time I had emailed Ken was 7/29 and he said he had just sold two pairs so he was out of females for the moment but had adult blue gene males for $20, blue gene fry for $5, and electric blue fry for $15. I wish I wasn't too impatient to just grow some out, but so far that's been the case haha. That is probably going to have to change though.

Is the pair you are considering buying locally an EBJD male and a BGJD female, or just two BGJD's? If it's an EBJD male and BGJD female then that's not a bad deal, you'd make your money back off the first successful spawn.

[nano cichlids]

No it's two Blue Genes my concern is that this could really be just two regular jacks, i don't personally know this guy He did drop the price to 60$ but I have to pick them up today and he lives in detroit, I live in clarkston which is about 4ish hours away and I don't have the time today to do this. Kalen when Ken responds to my email I'll ask him how many pairs he has.

[FishAddictJulez]

Yeah genetics are confusing but I got deep into this idea a few years ago I think it was and I had the whole punnet squares and genes written out with each particular trait I wanted from each Jack ahaha I'm a nut job if anyone wondered


I think that is VERY cool... I would love to see the work/results.. I am fascinated with genetics, and always wanted to learn how to work a complex punnet square...

[nano cichlids]

Well expect some results and and updates on here I'll Have my own thread once my BGJD come in either Tuesday or Wednesday, I had to order from Kens fish farm on MFK but I'm happy with the purchase only 75$ total.. Only hahaah but I'm selling the F0 Jack demoes pair I have there just to aggressive and big for my tanks Id rather have them in a suitable home.

[nano cichlids]

Got my pair of BGJD and there all ready showing signs of breeding swimming close together tail slapping etc, I put a mirror up and my male went nuts! There colors are amazing I have a small log in the CA/SA forum