Labradoodles!

[125gJoe]

I thought this was interesting...

They don't shed??!

http://starbulletin.com/2004/06/28/news/story6.html

[OrionGirl]

Yep, the labradoodles don't shed, just as standard poodles don't shed.

They are starting to become popular, since they can be great hunting dogs, as well. See lots of them for sale in the papers around here. Unfortunately, they are often confused with the curly coated retriever--similar appearance, but curly coated retrievers are a breed, rather than a cross, and shed like regular labs.

[Dangerdoll]

they're pretty cute.... I wonder what they look like as adults.... I can see where the confusion would come from as far as mixing them up with the flat-coated retriever but I thought the flat-coats were primarily black.... is that not true?

[Rava]

That's dumb! People are allergic to dog's dander, not the hair itself. You can even be allergic to hairless dogs, but it's less likely.

DD- OrionGirl said curly coated retrievers, not flat coated ones. :) Curlies apparently come in most colors, but I think you're right that flats are usually black.

[valerie]

Labradoodles were one of the breeds we were looking into getting when we were looking for a dog as we wanted a non shedding breed. They are very cute but in the end my parents said they got too big and went with a bichon/cocker cross.

Yes people can still be allergic to non sheddign dogs but most people are ok with them. "Non shedding" breeds possess a single layer of coat and generally produce less dander than double-coated breeds. My brother has asthma and can't even be in a house with a dog that sheds but with our dog he is completely fine.

[Dangerdoll]

whoops.... my error..... I didn't realize there was another type of retrievers..... but I took a look at the differences and it seems to me that the curly coated has much more shorter hair than the labradoodle. I also wanted to note that while people are allergic to the animal dander/saliva/urine, it's said also that double layered coated dogs produce more of this than single layered coated ones thus provoking more reactions in people depending on their allergy level. Unless your pet allergy is mild, you are less likely to find a dog breed that would not bother your allergies at all.

[Cearbhaill]

All dogs shed.

All dogs shed.

All dogs shed.

Breeds (or non breeds like labradoodles) marketed as "non-shedding" still shed. The coat does not drop off the dog but is trapped in the coat where it sits until it is removed by brushing- this is why the "non-shedders" must be groomed more frequently than many other breeds.

If left in the coat the dead hair will form tangles and if neglected long enough will form mats. Then the dog will have to be shaved- and shaved close enough to get under the matting.

"Non-shedding" breeds can therefore be much higher maintenance than many of the sheddering breeds.
Whether the maintenance is done by you with a brush or with a groomer by appointment is up to you- unless the twice a year shave down appeals to you.
Some of the most difficult to maintain coats I have ever seen are the results of mixes- labradoodles among them. No way on earth would I take on a coat like that!

And not all "non-shedding" breeds are single coated either- Poodles and Bichons are double coated breeds regularly recommended to allergy sufferers.

[Dangerdoll]

Originally posted by Cearbhaill
And not all "non-shedding" breeds are single coated either- Poodles and Bichons are double coated breeds regularly recommended to allergy sufferers.
I agree with all your points except these.... so I tried seeing if I can find anything on it..... everything I've read so far has these two included in the "single-coated" group, and recommended for sufferers.... I mean, I know I shouldn't believe everything I read out there on the "net" but this is pretty conflicting, wouldn't you think? :confused:

[OrionGirl]

Thanks for the correction--I wasn't aware that the crosses had the same level of grooming needed. Guess I hadn't really thought about it much!

[dwayne]

A friend of mine has a bichon friese (sp?) and a labradoodle. They are both "hypoallergenic" ... notice the " " because technically any dog can cause an allergic reaction, but these breeds have a much lower chance of causing one.

Her son has severe asthma and other allergies, and his allergist actually recommended these breeds (along with certain poodles and another breed that escapes my mind right now), because he really, really wanted a dog.

They've had the bichon for 2 years and the labradoodle for 1 year, and so far so good, no reactions! My friend brushes both of them every night though. It doesn't take too long, because they're so used to it and the bichon likes it and will actuall go over to the shelf and get the brush when you ask him if he wants a rub.

I agree though, all dogs shed, but these breeds (and the poodle as well) don't shed on your clothes/furniture, it stays on their bodies.

Now if I can only get my landlord to agree to let me get a bichon I'll be one happy camper (I'm allergic to the dander too)...

~Tara

[Dangerdoll]

I'll write the landlord a letter for ya Tara ;) I think everyone should have a dog...

[dwayne]

Thanks Dangerdoll... I've asked them once already and they said no, because all the other homes that they own and rent out they don't allow them. What I think is unfair is that all their other homes have carpeting... ours is the only one with hardwood (and linoleum (sp) in the kitchen)... bummer, my son would love to have a dog.

Then they had the nerve to ask me (when they know they're not going to allow one anyway) what I was going to do with the dog while I'm away all day at work... then when I told her I was going to crate train, they were like "oh, you've done research"... well der! Of course I've done research, I really want a frickin dog!! She said we could get a cat. I told her that is all fine and good, but my husband is petrified of cats and my mother in law will never come to our house again if we had one...

C'est la vie. Someday we'll have a dog.

~Tara

[Dangerdoll]

you could suggest adding another couple hundred bucks for security in case it does cause problems.... that's what they do at some places in Jersey... I believe they charge an additional $250 per dog/cat.

gimme their addy, I'm typing up the letter of rec. right now ;)

[dwayne]

;)

I offered to add on another $300 to the security deposit they already have from us, and they said they prefer to keep all their agreements with tenants the same. But thanks!

~Tara

[Cearbhaill]

everything I've read so far has these two included in the "single-coated" group, and recommended for sufferers.... I mean, I know I shouldn't believe everything I read out there on the "net" but this is pretty conflicting, wouldn't you think?A breeds "standard" or description of what they should look like (as determined by the parent club in the country in question) is the final authority when discussing the finer points. No other opinion counts- not even a little bit.

From the Bichon Frise AKC standard-
"The texture of the coat is of utmost importance. The undercoat is soft and dense, the outercoat of a coarser and curlier texture. The combination of the two gives a soft but substantial feel to the touch which is similar to plush or velvet and when patted springs back. "
There is no specific reference to a double coat in the Poodle standard but I assure you they are double coated as well.

[Dangerdoll]

thanks Toni.... :) I did believe you, I was just confused by all the different things they say out there in the net... but thanks for the "double" confirmation ;)

[Must4ng s4lly]

Dangerdoll... write that letter!!!

lol! Yeah, had a cat, still do, but lived in a condo for five years and the people did not allow pets. There was no way my kitty was going away, so I hid here for five years, did a lot of repairs myself so they would never come over.... They were some crazy Old people who owned the condo, they showed up totally unannounced and found my kitty at the end of my stay. As luck would have it, I was already moving out, but just cause I had my cat, I lost 150 bucks on my deposit. They said it was B/C there were stains on the Backback of the carpet. That carpet was 20 years OLD! LOL! Who knows what all that was!

Oh well, bought my OWN house and now don't have to deal with stupid people anymore!

I hope ya get a dog tho dwayne, that would be cool! I love my cat and she has been with me longer than anyone or thing ! LOL! She's 15.