Go ahead and mod your honda, you wont look like a fool, i promise

[chunksofpoooo]

We've all seen them, and chances are we've all heard them long before we've seen them. That’s right, I’m talking about those geniuses who saw “The fast and the furious” and decided that adding a coffee can to their exhaust and stripes to their hood would make them coooool. Living in a small state I had the good fortune of never really having to deal with such stupidity, and then I moved to Los Angeles (which I otherwise love).
My friend and I were waiting at a stoplight when we heard it, and we both looked at each other and cringed. We heard the car long before we saw it; that high pitched rusty chainsaw sound that only a crappy mod car’s exhaust could make (maybe an old leaf blower). Mr. Cool pulled up next to us, revving his engine and rolling his civic back and forth, as to say “hey look, I drive a standard, that makes me cool!” We both looked at him; the disgust in our stare must have been obvious, because it got him mad enough to do a whopping 1sec burnout (about all you can do in a civic). To top it off, he did it a good 1/2sec before the light turned green….. wow, what a badass, its not like you can see the other light turn red or anything.
This guy must need all the stuff he added to his car, seeing that he got to the next red light a good 3 seconds before we did. Wow… he gets to wait an extra 3 seconds….what a reward. Not to mention he gets to brag about beating a car that wasnt even racing him. And I’m sure the massive spoiler on his car helped too, I mean, it makes sense to have a big spoiler on a front wheel drive car, right? I mean, it’s not like the spoiler would push down on the back of the car, taking power away from the front wheels, right?

Now let me make this clear, I have nothing against any type of car, especially Honda; their cars last forever. I do, however, have a great deal of contempt for anyone who would spend as much on the mods for their car, as the actual car itself. The fact is, no matter how big the rims are on your car, no matter how big your exhaust is, no matter how many stickers you have on your car, your car is still crappy. It’s rather hard for me to understand why someone would buy a $10k car and spend another $8-10k on modifications. Why not just save your money and buy a sports car to begin with? Then at least you don’t look like a moron, your car is actually made for speed, and it would probably still be able to beat out most of the modified cars out there.

Generally I just don’t care about this stuff, like, at all. But it didn’t end at the stoplight episode, nooooo, it dragged onto the highway. The dude followed us onto the highway, riding our back. That’s understandable though, he must have thought that we actually care about what he does with his car, and felt it necessary to prove himself to two strangers. So, as we’re getting ready to get off the off ramp he passes us in the breakdown lane and cuts us off, nearly slamming his plastic car into a divider.


That’s my story for today, and the reason I changed my signature

[Ayrianth]

he got to the next red light a good 3 seconds before we did. Wow… he gets to wait an extra 3 seconds….what a reward.



:soda:

[Indigo]

rofl I totally understand!! Winnipeg has a trillion (at least in the area I was in). They'd stick on this massive wings on the back... as if the little rice rocket puts out enough power that lift is a problem. I used to kick their butts in my neon ex :D And watch them bottom out on little bumps in the road too...

Now, I gotta make sure I don't get run over by 1/2 tons. *sigh*

[NikkO]

I cant stand those people. I know how you feel but ima have to diagree with you about tuning a honda. I mean, they can be built so that they can beat a beat a v-8 with just an engine swap and just with some parts, although not everyone that tunes a honda does that. Think about it, these cars are economical and great for daily driving, yet they can keep up with the guy in the porsche that thinks his car is better than yours.

But yeah, there are those people who buy EVERYTHING that are so called "performance products" from their local pep boys and think their car is now SUPER FAST, aka ricers. This is most likely the idiot who was in your story, and are the type of people that i dislike. They also obviously dont know what to do to their car and HOW to do it right. People who know what and how to do their cars right shouldn't be considered ricers. Unless the person is learning how, then its okay... they'll just have to learn what not to get first before many other things.

Ever since those movies came out, the import tuning indrustry has kinda gotten worse. People are somewhat starting to make it into a fad and not a hobby. Companies like APC or 3AC started and made money from the idiots who wanted to make their car similar to those movies. Back before those movies came out, BARELY ANYONE knew about them and those were the times were there werent really anything to make their cars look stupid as they do now.

[chunksofpoooo]

Think about it, these cars are economical and great for daily driving, yet they can keep up with the guy in the porsche that thinks his car is better than yours.



uhhh, sorry bud, dont think so

there is only one type of "econ" import/domestic i have respect for as far as speed is concerned, and thats the WRX. It is, dollar for dollar, one of the best cars out there and it is one of the only, if not the only, stock econ car that can in fact keep up with a porsche (boxer or carrera, not 911turbo--that thing kicks everything). The honda s2000 is not an "econ car." It is, in fact, a sports car. Thats why its over $30k. Thats not what im talking about. Im talking about the civic, eclipse, various hyundia, camery, spyder, corrolla, crx, focus, impalla, escort, many many nissan.....the list goes on and on. I can promise you i'd be cheaper to buy a porsche or corvette and its mods, and you would be about 5times as fast as any "ricer" afterwards. The only exception i can think of is the WRX sti, and thats still $30k+ stock. you could prob buy a 2000 something corvette for a little over $20K and use the extra $10k for upgrades and be able to beat anything out there.

Sports cars are built for speed, thats why they're called sports cars, and that means they're meant to handle the road at fast speeds and offer you the best response. Hondas, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi, the majority of them at any rate, are economy cars, not race cars, no matter how much stuff you add. They arent built for it, and at anything over 65mph they're screaming deathtraps



not to mention, there is this little thing called the speed limit. So, after all is said and done, it doesnt matter how much craaaap you put on your car because you wouldnt be able to use it anyways


edit note*
anyone can beat that dude in the porsche, he's 60 and in his midlife crisis, and drives the darn thing 10mph under the speed limit

edit note2*
i know the term "ricer" tech has a racial meaning, but in this case its a ref. to any type of suped up econ car, import or domestic.

[Dale W.]

Am I exempt???? :D

I modded my rice burner back in 1980 which was long before any of those movies came out. Course I have the power plant to back up the looks.

[NikkO]

One example of make cars look like ricers is MTV's Pimp My Ride. Sure they know how to do nice interiors and sound systems, but they just dont know what to do with the outside. They can do a nice paint job if they didnt put a reallly BIG sticker or weird effects, and just one color on the car. Its funny how they put 2G's worth of a sound system into a car yet put cheap/generic kinds of parts and seats. If they were to put Recaro seats or some non-generic company aftermaket parts on the car, it would have a higher chance of it getting stolen within a month or so.

[NikkO]

ahh, if i were to buy a car for 30k or so, then i jus screw the hondas and buy a 1998 twin-turbo Supra. With just another 45 g's ill be at 1150 hp and have a full race-spec suspension and own anyone at the track or dragstrip, which is where im talking about where people should race... NOT THE STREET, its safer that way. :D .. lol reefscape

Edit... was that a really fast response chunk or was it me? LoL.. time just skipped a half hour for me. :laugh:

[slipknottin]

I dont have a problem with imports, heck Ive seen civics take down Lightnings.

Its the guys who spend 90% of their cash on stickers, graphics, fart pipes, and other tasteless mods. (intake sticking out through the front bumper, etc)

[SnakeIce]

while I agree with you on how most of the modified cars out there are more looks than go, I have a friend who is into the engine mods that make those cars faster. He is part way through an engineering degree with an automotive bias towards what he knows.

his daily driver is lowered with camber kit, and has a larger than stock airflow path through his engine from intake to exhost pipe. he has aftermarket wheels he chose for weight and then looks. other than that his all black integra looks stock.

his race car is a civic he bought as a body only, no interior or running gear. he has built that to be at most a 12 second quarter mile car.

so to say he knows that scene is an understatement. I have heard him say similar things as has been said in this thread about the majority of the people with cars that are no longer stock.

so while for most this complaint is valid, don't judge every one that modifies cars the same way.

[chunksofpoooo]

point taken, but my thread was more of a hit at "the scene" in general. Im not gonna deny the fact that i speed, everyone does, my point was why create a car that can go 200mph+ when you dont have the skill to handle it over 100. And the only place you can drive 80+ legally is on the strip, and its boring to drive fast in a straight line

[NikkO]

Yes, that is very true. Jus cuz some poeple to some stupid stuff to a car doesn't mean everyone with that tunes their car is the same way. Some people will eventually learn to control their car with experience. Or we can just go to Skip Barbers racing school to learn faster. :p Snakeice- What kind of civic is it? A 97-01? Wait, is 12 secs is his goal or what he is running? Come to think of it, the Civic (hondas in general) are probably one of the most tunable cars and have the most interchangeable parts, seriously. Such as engines, they are the some of the most common ways that are used to gain power since they can have their advantages over the stock engine.

[StreetCypher]

One of my pet peeves are LOWERED TRUCKS WITH SPINNERS!

I for one am a truck guy, but to see a really nice truck lowered with 22 inch rims....totally defeats the purpose of it being a truck. Its now officially a city car, you can't even take it car camping.

[Cheech]

I totally agree with you man... It's pretty bad here in Montreal too.. The "souped up" 1986 honda CRX's are one of my favorites,.,... Those, right next to the fixed up Neons!!!!! NEONS!!! With race stripes, and wings that look like they belong on F1 cars!!.... unbelievable... The way I see it, if you fix up a civic, add all leather, new engine, exhaust, Nitrus, etc etc etc.. . And if you end up putting even 70000 into modifications on the car, EVEN if it does 0-60 in 4 seconds, all in all, it's still a freaken Civic...

[Ayrianth]

my personal fav is the OLD crappy car with rust spots and faded paint job sporting fancy rims and low profile tires. Nothing says idiot better than a $500 dollar car with a grand or more in the wheels. :eek:

[Corax]

You kids can keep all your rice, I just want this...

[FL Knifemaker]

I don't know why those kids always want to race me at the stoplights. My Buell isn't a rocket compared to the jap bikes but it will still do 0-60 in 4 seconds even with my fat BUTT on it!!! While those buzz box sounding Hondas are spinning their front wheels, I'm GONE!!! :o

Getting involved with Autocross clubs through the SCCA is a great way to learn performance driving........LEGALLY!! They are even branching out into drifting to attact the younger crowd. I wish more kids would get involved instead of trying to learn on the streets.

[SnakeIce]

Snakeice- What kind of civic is it? A 97-01? Wait, is 12 secs is his goal or what he is running? Come to think of it, the Civic (hondas in general) are probably one of the most tunable cars and have the most interchangeable parts, seriously. Such as engines, they are the some of the most common ways that are used to gain power since they can have their advantages over the stock engine.

I will be the first to point out that I am not a car guy. I know alot more about plants in general than I know about cars in general. So I don't actually know what his race car is capable of(he does have it running now). I was getting what he had with his daily driver when he raced it mixed up with the race car, I didn't know.

Wife just said(she is the car person in the house :D) that 12 second quarter miles was what he ran with his daily driver with best time down to 11.5. Will be getting 8 second quarter mile with his race car.

except for the fact that I have gone with him to a race and seen him work on the race car I would be clueless. :D :confused: :idea2: :bowing:

[Indigo]

Corax - NIIIIIIIIICE Car!! What is it?

And Chunks - WRX = awesome! I just wish I had enough money on + side of my bank account instead of the '-' lol

[Corax]

That is the new Dodge Charger R/T that is due out just short of Hell freezing over.. I will own that car.

[geoffgarcia]

We've all seen them, and chances are we've all heard them long before we've seen them. That’s right, I’m talking about those geniuses who saw “The fast and the furious” and decided that adding a coffee can to their exhaust and stripes to their hood would make them coooool. Living in a small state I had the good fortune of never really having to deal with such stupidity, and then I moved to Los Angeles (which I otherwise love).
My friend and I were waiting at a stoplight when we heard it, and we both looked at each other and cringed. We heard the car long before we saw it; that high pitched rusty chainsaw sound that only a crappy mod car’s exhaust could make (maybe an old leaf blower). Mr. Cool pulled up next to us, revving his engine and rolling his civic back and forth, as to say “hey look, I drive a standard, that makes me cool!” We both looked at him; the disgust in our stare must have been obvious, because it got him mad enough to do a whopping 1sec burnout (about all you can do in a civic). To top it off, he did it a good 1/2sec before the light turned green….. wow, what a badass, its not like you can see the other light turn red or anything.
This guy must need all the stuff he added to his car, seeing that he got to the next red light a good 3 seconds before we did. Wow… he gets to wait an extra 3 seconds….what a reward. Not to mention he gets to brag about beating a car that wasnt even racing him. And I’m sure the massive spoiler on his car helped too, I mean, it makes sense to have a big spoiler on a front wheel drive car, right? I mean, it’s not like the spoiler would push down on the back of the car, taking power away from the front wheels, right?

Now let me make this clear, I have nothing against any type of car, especially Honda; their cars last forever. I do, however, have a great deal of contempt for anyone who would spend as much on the mods for their car, as the actual car itself. The fact is, no matter how big the rims are on your car, no matter how big your exhaust is, no matter how many stickers you have on your car, your car is still crappy. It’s rather hard for me to understand why someone would buy a $10k car and spend another $8-10k on modifications. Why not just save your money and buy a sports car to begin with? Then at least you don’t look like a moron, your car is actually made for speed, and it would probably still be able to beat out most of the modified cars out there.

Generally I just don’t care about this stuff, like, at all. But it didn’t end at the stoplight episode, nooooo, it dragged onto the highway. The dude followed us onto the highway, riding our back. That’s understandable though, he must have thought that we actually care about what he does with his car, and felt it necessary to prove himself to two strangers. So, as we’re getting ready to get off the off ramp he passes us in the breakdown lane and cuts us off, nearly slamming his plastic car into a divider.


That’s my story for today, and the reason I changed my signature
dont you have anything better to do with your time than ridicule people and how they choose to spend their money?

One persons garbage is anothers treasure.

Grow up and worry about yourself

[slipknottin]

Uh oh, here come the ricers... :soda:

[Corax]

I actually agree with him, ricers are a serious nuisance on the road. Personally, I would have made it impossible for that little puke to get around my truck. My truck weighs roughly 2.5x what a ricer-mobile does, he would not have been smiling as he went flying off the road =) We have those idiots around here, and frankly I'm sick of them.


Oh, and I've LONG laughed at the little twits for putting spoliers on the rear end of a front wheel drive vehicle.

[chunksofpoooo]

ahhh, always with the negative replies, you're like clockwork man. You also like to say "grow up" a lot too, thanks, ill make sure to really look at how i view other people now that you've said that.

your comment might be a bit more respectable if you weren’t doing just what you advised against.

Sooooo, the best way of saying "grow up and worry about yourself" would probably be not to respond at all. No one forced you to read my thread, and the fact that you felt compelled to respond just takes away from that "im more mature than you" attitude you like to flaunt.

[tomm10]

My personal favorite has always been the giant spoiler/wing. Besides looking goofy, from my limited understanding of aerodynamics, they don't have any significant downforce effect until you're way over 100mph. So all they really do is add weight and drag to an already underpowered car. Sort of silly.

The whole car scene has always been viewed by some as ridiculous. There's always been different camps. There are those that build for looks, those for speed, and everything in between. Personally I could care less what someone else spends his own money on. I do have a problem with idiots who think they're professional race car drivers on a closed track when in reality they're 17 year old idiots on a highway at rush hour. Of course you don't need an import car to do that. There are plenty of soccer moms with 4 kids in the back of en Escalade doing 90 in traffic tailgating and weaving.

[N8DOGG]

dont you have anything better to do with your time than ridicule people and how they choose to spend their money?

One persons garbage is anothers treasure.

Grow up and worry about yourself


there is fixing up your car and being respectful on the road and there is being as in the story. Thats what people don't like. Those people make it harder for the true "car person" to work on his car without getting the stigma of a ricer or what ever you want to call it.



One of my pet peeves are LOWERED TRUCKS WITH SPINNERS!

I for one am a truck guy, but to see a really nice truck lowered with 22 inch rims....totally defeats the purpose of it being a truck. Its now officially a city car, you can't even take it car camping.

but thats what the point is.....They (I) would NEVER want to take it off road. My blazer is not on the ground (yet) but its an lowered xtreme, so it would never go off road and it wasn't even made to go off road. But I woud also like a lifted pickup for JUST offroading.

and on the rice burners My next car is going to be the WRX STI

[dwayne]

Hahaha! Great story! I have one to add! Tuesday night I was stuck in bad traffic... a dump truck had rolled over and traffic was backed up the entire way from the daycare to my house - we were moving like 1 car per cycle of a stop light!

Anyway, the other side was moving just fine, in the direction away from the accident, and a lot of people ahead of me were doing u-turns (it wasn't a highway, just a regular 2 way street). I said ok, let's try this, at this rate it will take me 3 horus to get home.

I put my left blinker on, turned my wheel to the left a bit to kind of nudge into the oncoming lane (they were stopped at a red) and then motioned the guy who I was now maybe 10 feet from to see if I could cut him off to u-turn. He "ignored" me and started doing that rocking back and forth thing.

I know nothing about cars (but do know from the hood emblem that he was driving a Honda, haha!!) - but this one was loud obnoxious and ugly... it had these purple neon tube lights underneath it that made it frigging glow in the dark? And the bass on his radio was so loud (or deep? whatever) I could feel it thru the bottom of my car up into my seat and into my belly!!!

But I digress. So he "ignored" me, and started rocking. I was like ok, whatever A-hole, and motioned to the guy in the van behind him, and the guy in the van gave me a thumbs up... so I waited for the light to turn. Well I'm watching the light in my rear view, and it turns green, the guy in the neon car started to peel out... and STALLED!!!!!

CLASSIC!!!! I was ROFLMAO (well, as much as you can do that in a car)!!!

:D

~Tara

[chunksofpoooo]

dywane, ive seen that all too often, and it never fails to make me laugh

so, to relate to your story the following sentence will be changed:


Im not gonna deny the fact that i speed, everyone does, my point was why create a car that can go 200mph+ when you dont have the skill to handle it over 100.


to:
Im not gonna deny the fact that i speed, everyone does, my point was why create a car that can go 200mph+ when you dont have the skill to handle it over 2mph

[dwayne]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tomm10]

\But I digress. So he "ignored" me, and started rocking. I was like ok, whatever A-hole, and motioned to the guy in the van behind him, and the guy in the van gave me a thumbs up... so I waited for the light to turn. Well I'm watching the light in my rear view, and it turns green, the guy in the neon car started to peel out... and STALLED!!!!!

~Tara

Related story but the "staller" was a decent guy. The father of a high school friend was telling us a story years ago of when he first got out of the Marines. Like a lot of kids who finished their post high school stint in the the military, he came out with more money than he had ever seen in one place before since he saved almost all his pay in the service. He decided to buy the biggest baddest car he could, which was a Chevy Chevelle 454 SS. For those not in the know, the 454 was about the biggest engine you could get this side of NASA in 1970. The car was also a stick with four on the floor. Normally this isn't a problem but my buddies dad hadn't driven in a while AND the 454 put out 450 horsepower and an ungodly amount of torque.
So the salesman pulls the car around to the lot exit and hands him the keys. My friend's dad gets in, gives teeny bit of gas (aware of the huge engine) starts to let out the clutch and...stalls the car. He tries again and...stalls. This time he notices a 12 year old kid on a schwinn who's been watching the whole thing and laughing. Determined to restore his pride he throws caution to the wind this time, guns the gas and drops the clutch.
A second later a few hundred feet down the road with a cloud of white tire smoke behind him he looked at the speedo to see he was already at 65mph in first gear! He learned the fun way what 450 hp will do. Of course he probably had to stop for gas 15 minutes later but that's another story :)

[StreetCypher]

I gotta say though, with all this mod car bashing they aren't the only ones driving like idiots. They are just more noticable with their decked out cars.

There are guys and girls of all ages and color, driving mustangs, mini vans, domestics, imports, luxury cars and beaters who drive with no respect for themselves or others.

[chunksofpoooo]

absolutely correct man

like i said, this thread was more of a hit at "the scene" in general

[geoffgarcia]

ahhh, always with the negative repliesI was offended by your post, so I thought a negative reply was appropriate to convey my feelings


the best way of saying "grow up and worry about yourself" would probably be not to respond at all. No one forced you to read my threadwhen someone insults other people then I feel its perfectly appropriate to make them more aware of it. Whether or not people agree with my opinion or yours is irrelevant, I'm just letting you know I found this thread offensive and repugnant.

[chunksofpoooo]

I know a lot of people consider it a hobby, but when you take it to an excess and endanger other people and yourself it just becomes stupid. Im not sure of which part your offended by. Are you defending the idiot drivers who think they can handle their car at 100mph+? Or are you defending those who take any type of econ car (whether that be import or domestic, i dont give a crap) and turn it into a "race car."
You're absolutely correct, my opinion is my own and it is irrelevant. I posted this thread to share my opinion and a funny story, there was no need to be offended by anything. Whats the point of having a general chit-chat section if you can't post general chit-chat?

[Slappy*McFish]

I have to agree with Chunks on this whole issue. It's my opinion as well. The only people who actually think these mod-buckets are cool, are other mod-bucket drivers. The rest of us laugh out loud.

[ryan]

YOu guys are stupid! Everyone knows that a primer colored body kit, exhaust tips, subwoofers, super bright headlights and led's adds like 150 hp!!!!!

VERY just kiddin :p Give me a nice big lifted (slightly) american truck anyday.

ryan

[chunksofpoooo]

and on the rice burners My next car is going to be the WRX STI


awesome, very awesome


Let me make my point, again, with this example


the WRX Sti does a 0-60 in aprox 4.88sec, it costs aprox $30k, it comes with a six speed shifter, it comes with low profile "summer tires" stock, it only recently installed a radio into the dash, it has a rear-front (DCCD) control system, it has a turbocharged and intercooled 2.5-liter DOHC boxer engine producing 300 horsepower @ 6,000 rpm and 300 lb.-ft. of peak torque @ 4,000 rpm


it is, in fact, a race car
it was, in fact, made for high speeds


I know for a fact (ive been looking into a reg WRX for a while) that if you asked any subaru dealer about the Sti they would say "its basically a race car, generally the crowd looking at them are about 20yrs and looking for a fast car". To make my point clear, if you asked a toyota, honda, hyundai, Ford, Chevy, whatever dealer about most of their econ stock cars they'd say "its a good family car, good gas mileage, a lot of lux features, an all around good car" I guarentee you that they wouldnt say "this car is made for speed"



ps
the only reason this thread seems to be an mod import bash is because its rare that i see a tricked out Ford focus and didnt bother to include it. I dislike taking any car and suping it up when it wasnt meant for it to begin with, whether that be dodge or daywoo is irrelevant to me

[gnahc79]

I just had to chime in this small bit:

If you really want the best price for performance, get on two wheels a.k.a a motorcycle. My F4i, a 600cc (~98 hp) bike, on paper can go from 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. I would never attempt to unless I'm on a racetrack though. Now 0-60 in 4 seconds off the line at a stoplight...once in a while :).
Even the tiny but very able Ninja 250cc (38 hp), which you can buy for $2K used, can go from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. How it performs after 60mph is another story, lol.

[SnakeIce]

yes and the people that can controll such 2 wheel rockets are fewer than the ones that can control the 4 wheel versions. maybe this time you rode it and you were fine but the rate of serious personal damage accidents is alot higher when you are driving a motorcycle.

more power needs more control for it to be able to be used well. and the 2 wheelers have less contact with the road as well as the whole balance thing. the reactions and skill it takes to consistently push the bike without breaking road laws is more control than most people posses, either of the bike or of themselves :D

[125gJoe]

Quote: "i hate "mod" cars. You drive a honda, not a race car, you genius"

What's interesting, and what I consider 'foolish' is that these compact cars are not designed for 'modifications'.. The gears, the bearings, the crankshaft, cams, ...are designed for economy, the way the manufacturer meant it. When someone adds nitro, or say a supercharger, turbo, etc.. it really 'punishes' the engine - rather beats it to death.

I had to laugh during the movie "Fast and Furious" --- to the junkyard... :D

[NikkO]

I just had to chime in this small bit:

If you really want the best price for performance, get on two wheels a.k.a a motorcycle. My F4i, a 600cc (~98 hp) bike, on paper can go from 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. I would never attempt to unless I'm on a racetrack though. Now 0-60 in 4 seconds off the line at a stoplight...once in a while :).
Even the tiny but very able Ninja 250cc (38 hp), which you can buy for $2K used, can go from 0-60 in 5.5 seconds. How it performs after 60mph is another story, lol.

Have you ever seen any of those at the track? Theyre amazing. Their engines sound so nice... so much similar to a F1 car. If i would get a bike id get the yamaha R1, but then it will have a higher injury rate and what would i do it it rains and its my only way of transportation?

[chunksofpoooo]

You might be an idiot if:

You add a super tall rear wing, and a hundred pounds of aftermarket ground effects, neon and stereo yet you gut the interior and yank out the rear seat for weight savings.
You cut 4 coil springs and scrape the chassis on the ground. Sparks are cool when you corner at normal traffic speeds!
Your Eclipse GS-T hardtop has a "SPYDER" emblem on the rear...
Your paint job is from the WRONG end of the color spectrum.
You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette.
You drive a Ford Escort station wagon with Kanji, wide tires, and Limp Bizkit stickers on the rear hatch
If you take mom's 4 door Honda accord and do any kind of mod to it
If you think bolting a fake muffler to one side to simulate dual exhaust is cool
You claim that polishing your intake gave you 5hp.
Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed.
Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!")
The color of your interior upholstery hurts the cones and rods in other people's eyes.
A chameleon lizard undergoes fewer shade changes than your custom paint scheme.
Your sum knowledge of suspension is: "the more negative camber, the better the handling."
You push your car through the staging lanes. That way, maybe you can break into the 16s by keeping the motor cool between runs.
You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower.


thought you guys might like this
credit goes to pimprides.com



the sad thing is that ive seen most of what is listed

[Lazersniper]

Although I don't think this thread was meant to bash on rice-burners (more about the idiots who think they're racers), it may have turned that way. Personally I don't have a problem with those who want to mod/custimze their cars. I think it is a form of art for those who truely are in it for that purpose. I must admit there are a lot of retards out there who will get a stock car and think their all bad azz. But bad drivers, and retards are out there regardless of what kind of cars they drive. Perhaps rice-burners are just more noticable because they are/can get pretty flashy.

I myself like the STI's other half. I like the EVO VIII. The STI may have more ponies, but I like the handling, and the look of the EVO better. I will eventually own that car. Personally I plan to change the body kit, get a custom paint job, and put a nice sound system in it. I could care less about 'moding' the engine as I'm happy with the stock parts. I know I'll never race the thing so why bother modding the engine. I do however care how my car looks and sounds, as thats what I'll be driving.

[gnahc79]

If i would get a bike id get the yamaha R1, but then it will have a higher injury rate and what would i do it it rains and its my only way of transportation?
Don't get a motorcycle as your only means of transportation. That's what a car is for :). I plan to do a trackday this spring, all of my buddies have been bugging me endlessly to go to one. MotoGP is coming to Laguna Seca next year, woot!


yes and the people that can controll such 2 wheel rockets are fewer than the ones that can control the 4 wheel versions. maybe this time you rode it and you were fine but the rate of serious personal damage accidents is alot higher when you are driving a motorcycle.

more power needs more control for it to be able to be used well. and the 2 wheelers have less contact with the road as well as the whole balance thing. the reactions and skill it takes to consistently push the bike without breaking road laws is more control than most people posses, either of the bike or of themselves :D

yep, motorcycles are more fun and require lots of control & maturity :D. As for the whole car vs bike thing, I don't want to get into it:
http://www.sleepy-fish.com/sleepy/5thGear_Lambo_vs_Ducati_hi.wmv (somewhat close timewise, but not pricewise)

[greeneyedlady]

don't see too many "mod" cars in my neck of the woods (southern MD) what we do see alot of is classic cars, and some realllllllllllllllllllllllly nice ones at that. There is a 50"s Diner not too far from me and the local car club meets there once a month to show off their 50-60's babies, oh man the love and caring that goes into those honey's makes walking around checking them out an absolute dream come true ;)

[cattlegrid_79]

Don't know exactly the sort of people that side of the drink that do this, but we have something very similar over here. It's usually 18 year olds in a late '80s or early '90s Vauxhall Nova 1.2. Or if they're real lucky, a Renault 5 Turbo. The car usually costs about £500-800. They then spend the same again at least on the stereo and then a further £2000 - 3000 on other mods. Then on a Friday and Saturday night when normal people are at the pub with their mates having a drink and a laugh, they meet up in car parks and "look cool".

They didn't appreciate it one time when my mate and i decided to drive around in his Fiesta with Britney Spears pumping on the stereo just to take the **** out of them. They thought we were actually being serious!!!

This link (http://www.topgear.com/content/fun_stuff/carbage/0/) has some great examples of modified cars.

This link (http://www.chavscum.co.uk) has some great examples of the people who drive them!

[125gJoe]

http://www.topgear.com/content/fun_stuff/carbage/carbages/79/06/image_02.gif

That's funny! I never thought that would spread to the U.K...
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http://www.topgear.com/content/fun_stuff/carbage/carbages/79/03/image_01.gif

The perfect Disney car... The "Mini Mini" .... :D
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http://www.sportsvogn.no/images/2002/vm2002/F355-F1-spyder.jpg

Funny - this Spyder doesn't look at all like an Eclipse!
I saw the Spyder logo glued to an Eclipse yesterday.... gotta love it... :D

[StreetCypher]

Hey cattlegrid,
You guys got some weird mod cars in England.
This is what my definition of moded cars is.

http://www.revscene.com/ <--p.s. i know some of you guys may see some of the pics in here as porn, so enter at your own risk (but IMHO not even close to porn, just import car models).

[gonefishin]

my buddy had an old '72 4 door chevelle, beat as uh, heck, but had summthin like 450 hp. At idle the flowmasters had a baffle that kept 'em quiet, but step on the gas and it would scream. We had so much fun blowing the doors off hondas and the like. Now I can understand the longing for more power, but as has been said, why get an eco-car to make it fast. And for those of you who say the honda can beat the v-8 with the right mods, go look up et's for drag cars. The qm record for fwd is a high 7 last I saw, and those topfuels run regular 3's and 4's. I could go on forever on this one. The original post spoke about $ figures. Its not that expensive to get an exhaust and a spioler. and you look so cool. But I agree, for the same price........wait lemme tell you this, my friend won $20,000 in a lawsuit. She went and got a new ford focus for like $15,000 or thereabouts. We took a ride in her new car and I asked her to stop at the specialty car place in town. They had a '69 camero, 350hp small block, sidepipes, t-tops, for less than she paid for the ford. Ouch.

[Dale W.]

So,
How many of you went out and bought a Seaclone skimmer and modified it so that it works the way you want it to. If you have, why didnt you just go out and buy a Berlin XL turbo and be done with it? The challange and the hobby.

Sure, you can go out buy yourself a nice Farrari that is factory built and ready for race but if many of these people are like I am, you like a challange and you like to tinker with things. I dont see anything wrong with that at all. Ask 99% of the Farrari, Porsche, lambo owners out the if they know anything about how their car works and they will tell you to ask their mechanic.

You guys are talking about rice burners but what about the 67 Camaro? That was a family car. It sure was a fun one to play around with and modify. This is true for a lot of American made cars. Someone here mentioned something about not seing people fix up American cars the way they do imports. One of the biggest reasons for that is the availability of parts for import mods vs American built.

I dont knock anyone down for what they like to do or what makes them happy. I do have a problem with stupidity however when I see people doing stupid things in cars where they shouldnt be.

BTW, my toy that I bought in 1980 was a 71 Datsun 510 2 door. Very much a compact family car that retailed for about $1700. new. Since I was involved in SCCA GT racing, we also had a fully modified GTU class 510 race car that dyno'd around 300hp.

Oh, and I still own that 71 510. Is it modified? oh yah, enough to really make a friend of mad when it out does his 66 vette.

[slipknottin]

Funny - this Spyder doesn't look at all like an Eclipse!
I saw the Spyder logo glued to an Eclipse yesterday.... gotta love it... :D


eclipse spyder is the convertable version of the eclipse.

At least it was in the 2nd gen eclipse.

[125gJoe]

eclipse spyder.....At least it was in the 2nd gen eclipse.Wow. I didn't know that one. How did they get away with using the name 'Spyder'? Seems like trademarked name would apply.

[chunksofpoooo]

you guys have seemed to miss what ive said
here, ill quote myself




the only reason this thread seems to be an mod import bash is because its rare that i see a tricked out Ford focus and didnt bother to include it. I dislike taking any car and suping it up when it wasnt meant for it to begin with, whether that be dodge or daywoo is irrelevant to me



Sports cars are built for speed, thats why they're called sports cars, and that means they're meant to handle the road at fast speeds and offer you the best response. Hondas, Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi, the majority of them at any rate, are economy cars, not race cars, no matter how much stuff you add. They arent built for it, and at anything over 65mph they're screaming deathtraps

they arent meant for every day driving


spartan:
the link you included is not what im talking about. Those people know what they're doing, and the only place they take their cars is the strip (maybe a drive every once in a while). I dont care what they do with their money, because they arent endangering anyone and they do it for speed, not looks (for the most part....as opposed to those who only worry about sound *muffler* and looks *stickers*).

Im talking about people who dont know what the crap their doing, who drive their car to school/work/whatever even though it bottoms out on every bump they hit, the people who think a massive spoiler actually does anything to their FWD car when they have had no engine mods done. I especially like the response "its for drag coefficients...duh!" when they have no idea what a drag coefficient is. Im talking about the people who think a large exhaust and funny stickers puts them in the same preformance class as a vett or porsche. In order to get an econ car into the same class as a vett or porsche you generally have to replace the engine, take the exhaust all the way back, remove a crapload of parts, rework the transmission and put in new intakes, replace the shocks because the car wasnt meant to hold that much weight....basiclly you take the car down to the frame and rebuild it: its not even the same car it started out as(minus looks....sometimes). If you take a porsche, vett, honda s2000, BMW z8, any of those high preformance cars, and spend $5K on simple upgrades, its a heck of a lot faster than it was before, it still is the same basic car it was before, and most importantly it was made for the speed and power the mods can give it.


i have no problem with the people who know what their doing and who keep it on the track. You never see a 67 camero tricked out for the dragstrip rolling back and forth at the stoplight, you never see one of those modded imports that spartan posted either. I do, however, have a problem with someone who takes a cheap car, mods the crap out of it with parts that the car wasnt meant to have for regular street driving, and decides that they have to prove themselves to everyone they roll up next to at a stop.

this is what im talking about:
http://www.heferito.com/stupidriceboys.asp

note: "ricer" is a term for any car that does more visual mods than actual work, import or domestic

[slipknottin]

note: "ricer" is a term for any car that does more visual mods than actual work, import or domestic

distasteful mods... Nicer wheels, tint, paint, etc. dont count.

Heck, if it did I would be a ricer. Ive only done one mod to my car, and that was debadging it...

[chunksofpoooo]

no, they dont, unless you claim that your upgraded rims give you and extra 15hp, or that your new paintjob gives you better handling. I changed the stock yellow color on my car to a candy apple red, but i dont think anything of it

[NikkO]

Wow.. this thread got so many replies. Reefscape, I love old skool cars... you cant go wrong with them. :D Chunk- i totally agree with you.

So basically.. its like this:

DON'TS :sick:
1. add things that dont belong (e.g 5-foot wings that dont even fit the car)
2. make your car make excessive noise that doesnt even improve performance
3. think that almost everyone they see will race them :laugh:
4. have more show than go

ACCEPTABLE :p
1. Drive respectfully
2. race at approved tracks (there are a group of people against street racing...R.A.S.R = racers against street racing)
3. put what actually fits your car
4. exhaust systems that are legal and dont look stupid
5. know what youre doing


people have many different meanings for the term "ricer", so it doesnt alays mean the same thing

[125gJoe]

...Sure, you can go out buy yourself a nice Farrari ..... .. I dont see anything wrong with that at all. ....
...
I dont knock anyone down for what they like to do or what makes them happy. I do have a problem with stupidity however when I see people doing stupid things in cars where they shouldnt be.


BTW, my toy that I bought in 1980 was a 71 Datsun 510 2 door. ...
Oh, and I still own that 71 510. Is it modified? oh yah, enough to really make a friend of mad when it out does his 66 vette.

That's what I don't understand. A Corvette and a Datsun 510.

Without a total "gutting" of the 510 - ....
:confused:
\
The point I tried to make on my post earlier is that some people are really destroying the "lifespan" of their vehicle.....


Imagine the 'engine room' on this beauty!

http://www162.pair.com/nashram/cascade/images/70/P8170192.jpg

:D :D Dual carb Grinnies !

The Pacer was never quite as modern as the Jetsons!! :D

http://www.americanroyalarts.com/library/HB48.jpg

[Dale W.]

I agree Joe,
Any time you do any mods that are more than just cosmetic, you shorten the lifespan of the car. Suspension mods are hard on the whole car. Engine mods will drasticly shorten the life of the engine. It is a trade off that many people are willing to take which is one reason I call it a "hobby". I also agree with Chunks on most of those photo's. They are not what I call "flowing mods" and IMO just dont look good at all. I also use to play around with guys in 911's in my younger days but wouldnt do that stuff anymore as it was stupid back then. With todays computer operated engines and stuff, you cant do very many mods and still have the thing run or pass emissions.

Just to give you an idea, my car kinda looks like this one but with 17's and quite a bit larger tires.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/4510/mkft.gif

I did a lot of mods that you cant see that make the car what it is. It is all in having fun.

[slipknottin]

I agree Joe,
Any time you do any mods that are more than just cosmetic, you shorten the lifespan of the car.


unless your cars lifespan was already used up. ;)

[125gJoe]

I agree Joe,
.. Engine mods will drasticly shorten the life of the engine.

It is a trade off that many people are willing to take which is one reason I call it a "hobby". ...

I did a lot of mods that you cant see that make the car what it is. It is all in having fun.
That's all my point was, is that "mods" can destroy an engine that's not designed for it.

As far as loud, buzzing, exhausts... guess that means more money to hear the car stereo!

[StreetCypher]

spartan:
the link you included is not what im talking about. Those people know what they're doing, and the only place they take their cars is the strip (maybe a drive every once in a while). I dont care what they do with their money, because they arent endangering anyone and they do it for speed, not looks (for the most part....as opposed to those who only worry about sound *muffler* and looks *stickers*).


oh i see what you mean now... i think some of us have the definition of moded cars mixed up. I thought you were talking about any tricked out car full of aftermarket parts. You're just talking about the chumps who glue stickers on a crappy car and think they're hardcore.

[victimizati0n]

We've all seen them, and chances are we've all heard them long before we've seen them. That’s right, I’m talking about those geniuses who saw “The fast and the furious” and decided that adding a coffee can to their exhaust and stripes to their hood would make them coooool. Living in a small state I had the good fortune of never really having to deal with such stupidity, and then I moved to Los Angeles (which I otherwise love).
My friend and I were waiting at a stoplight when we heard it, and we both looked at each other and cringed. We heard the car long before we saw it; that high pitched rusty chainsaw sound that only a crappy mod car’s exhaust could make (maybe an old leaf blower). Mr. Cool pulled up next to us, revving his engine and rolling his civic back and forth, as to say “hey look, I drive a standard, that makes me cool!” We both looked at him; the disgust in our stare must have been obvious, because it got him mad enough to do a whopping 1sec burnout (about all you can do in a civic). To top it off, he did it a good 1/2sec before the light turned green….. wow, what a badass, its not like you can see the other light turn red or anything.
This guy must need all the stuff he added to his car, seeing that he got to the next red light a good 3 seconds before we did. Wow… he gets to wait an extra 3 seconds….what a reward. Not to mention he gets to brag about beating a car that wasnt even racing him. And I’m sure the massive spoiler on his car helped too, I mean, it makes sense to have a big spoiler on a front wheel drive car, right? I mean, it’s not like the spoiler would push down on the back of the car, taking power away from the front wheels, right?

Now let me make this clear, I have nothing against any type of car, especially Honda; their cars last forever. I do, however, have a great deal of contempt for anyone who would spend as much on the mods for their car, as the actual car itself. The fact is, no matter how big the rims are on your car, no matter how big your exhaust is, no matter how many stickers you have on your car, your car is still crappy. It’s rather hard for me to understand why someone would buy a $10k car and spend another $8-10k on modifications. Why not just save your money and buy a sports car to begin with? Then at least you don’t look like a moron, your car is actually made for speed, and it would probably still be able to beat out most of the modified cars out there.

Generally I just don’t care about this stuff, like, at all. But it didn’t end at the stoplight episode, nooooo, it dragged onto the highway. The dude followed us onto the highway, riding our back. That’s understandable though, he must have thought that we actually care about what he does with his car, and felt it necessary to prove himself to two strangers. So, as we’re getting ready to get off the off ramp he passes us in the breakdown lane and cuts us off, nearly slamming his plastic car into a divider.


That’s my story for today, and the reason I changed my signature


you need to get a life.

honostly.

some people are into that stuff, so dont go dissing them, they are different, not wrong.

just because they do that doesnt mean their wrong, because you dont do it. It is a hobby, and let the kids have fun.

I can tell you have no fun, and obvously no life either.

[chunksofpoooo]

--trying to bite my tongue--


maybe if you read the whole thread before shooting your mouth off you'd realize that i dont give a crap what people do with their cars unless it endangers other people. I dont even care what they do as long as they know what they're doing. And maybe if you sat down for a second and really looked at the subject you'd realize that adding a large muffler and a giant spoiler to your car isnt a hobby. A hobby takes know-how, it takes skill and a lot of time. Most importantly it takes a constant amount of time. Throwing a muffler or a sticker on your car is a one shot deal, its not a hobby. Driving like an idiot to impress people who dont care isnt a hobby.

Like ive said about a million times:
I wouldnt care at all if they kept their cars on the strip. But you dont find them on the strip, you find them on the street. To people who actually know how to mod your car: i have no problem with you, you actually know what you're doing. To people who add stupid stuff your car doesnt need and call it a hobby: i wouldnt mind so much if you didnt think that every funny look you got was a challenge to race.

I dont know how many accidents I've seen on the Highway involving such a car.




....that was a horrible job at biting my tongue

[victimizati0n]

--trying to bite my tongue--


maybe if you read the whole thread before shooting your mouth off you'd realize that i dont give a crap what people do with their cars unless it endangers other people. I dont even care what they do as long as they know what they're doing. And maybe if you sat down for a second and really looked at the subject you'd realize that adding a large muffler and a giant spoiler to your car isnt a hobby. A hobby takes know-how, it takes skill and a lot of time. Most importantly it takes a constant amount of time. Throwing a muffler or a sticker on your car is a one shot deal, its not a hobby. Driving like an idiot to impress people who dont care isnt a hobby.

Like ive said about a million times:
I wouldnt care at all if they kept their cars on the strip. But you dont find them on the strip, you find them on the street. To people who actually know how to mod your car: i have no problem with you, you actually know what you're doing. To people who add stupid stuff your car doesnt need and call it a hobby: i wouldnt mind so much if you didnt think that every funny look you got was a challenge to race.

I dont know how many accidents I've seen on the Highway involving such a car.




....that was a horrible job at biting my tongue



you even said for yourself that a hobby takes time, and skill.

it takes time for people to fix up their cars, some of those cars took YEARS to make, because they just cant get $679865536 at one time.

ALso, all of these cars dont just have 1 HP, they might have turbos, intercoolers, and alot more stuff.

The mufflers probably help with backflow.

you should do some research before you go around critising people with their hobbys

[chunksofpoooo]

really, really, trying to bite my tounge




read the whole post man



a new exhaust tip on a honda civic will give you nothing, it doesnt do anything for backflow. You would have to take the whole exhaust back to the engine to to anything about backflow, and on a 4cyl it doesnt matter becaues there really isnt any backflow to begin with

a massive spoiler on any econ car does nothing but add weight. Drag coefficients are preportional to things that you cant really control, such as air density. If your talking about lift, well, a spoiler on the back of a FWD will take away from the traction it has, not add to it.


Stickers do nothing for your car
custom paint jobs do not make your car faster
A turbo charger and an intercooler on a ford focus or huyundai will destroy the engine, and it wont be much faster. Nitro will also destroy the engine. Not to mention it puts everyone else in danger, those cars arent meant to go that fast....or fast, period


if you cant afford a $20 sticker and a crappy muffler for your moms honda, then you shouldnt be worring about pimping your ride anyways. Thats not even what this is about. This is about fools who endanger other people with their crappy driving. There seems to be a massive connection, however, between people who do stupid stuff to their car and people who cant drive becuase they think everyone wants to race them. NO ONE WANTS TO RACE YOU!


My friends dad owns an old chevelle that hes had since he was a kid (modding your chevelle was, give or take, the same as modding these cars back then). The only difference was that he worried about more than cosmetics. He often bought parts that he had to take the whole engine compartment apart to install. He did more than just add a muffler tip and a badly installed turbo kit.

He was building a dragster, not an everyday car....and he knew it. He kept it on the strip, and he actually knew what he was talking about. He spent countless hours on it, in fact, half the time he owned it it wasnt running becuase he was doing work on it.

This point is important, so ill say it again, he kept it off the streets (minus a few sunday morn drives). He knew that the mods he did for his car didnt belong on the street, and that if he got a look from someone it didnt mean that they wanted to race. He didnt drive it to school, or work, or much of anywhere. He kept it in the garage, and on the strip

[victimizati0n]

really, really, trying to bite my tounge




read the whole post man



a new exhaust tip on a honda civic will give you nothing, it doesnt do anything for backflow. You would have to take the whole exhaust back to the engine to to anything about backflow, and on a 4cyl it doesnt matter becaues there really isnt any backflow to begin with

a massive spoiler on any econ car does nothing but add weight. Drag coefficients are preportional to things that you cant really control, such as air density. If your talking about lift, well, a spoiler on the back of a FWD will take away from the traction it has, not add to it.


Stickers do nothing for your car
custom paint jobs do not make your car faster
A turbo charger and an intercooler on a ford focus or huyundai will destroy the engine, and it wont be much faster. Nitro will also destroy the engine. Not to mention it puts everyone else in danger, those cars arent meant to go that fast....or fast, period


if you cant afford a $20 sticker and a crappy muffler for your moms honda, then you shouldnt be worring about pimping your ride anyways. Thats not even what this is about. This is about fools who endanger other people with their crappy driving. There seems to be a massive connection, however, between people who do stupid stuff to their car and people who cant drive becuase they think everyone wants to race them. NO ONE WANTS TO RACE YOU!


My friends dad owns an old chevelle that hes had since he was a kid (modding your chevelle was, give or take, the same as modding these cars back then). The only difference was that he worried about more than cosmetics. He often bought parts that he had to take the whole engine compartment apart to install. He did more than just add a muffler tip and a badly installed turbo kit.

He was building a dragster, not an everyday car....and he knew it. He kept it on the strip, and he actually knew what he was talking about. He spent countless hours on it, in fact, half the time he owned it it wasnt running becuase he was doing work on it.

This point is important, so ill say it again, he kept it off the streets (minus a few sunday morn drives). He knew that the mods he did for his car didnt belong on the street, and that if he got a look from someone it didnt mean that they wanted to race. He didnt drive it to school, or work, or much of anywhere. He kept it in the garage, and on the strip


believe me, "modding" as you say a muscle car is WAY easier than doing it to one of the new cars.

I have a 69 camaro, and i can tell you that i would be 99% more confident in myself to replace the rocker arms in it than i would my 2002 impala.

Also, i think some of the paint jobs look nice.

Ok, lets take a yenko camaro, it has stickers on it, are you saying that it is a pos because of it?

I mean, my camaro has stripes, does this mean i am a ricer because i have graphics on my car?

[tel0004]

victimizati0n you need to read the entire thread before you get upset. We dont care if people mod the cars and make them go fast. Its when they go overboard on cosmetics, and stuff that is just dumb. There is a civic by my friends house that has 2 mufflers. That loses torque. That is hurting his performace. There is no point to it. If you have a camaro with stripes it dosent mean you are a ricer. Im sure your car looks good. Its when you spend 10 bucks on looks for every dollar you spend on performace when you are a ricer. I understand people want their car to look good. My car has leather seats and almost every factory upgrade so it is a comftorable and looks decent, but I dont throw on a 20 dollar cherry bomb and claim my car is supercharged. When I talk about riced out cars, I usually mean something like this. Maybe he thinks it looks cool, and that in itself is ok, but most people who have cars like that drive like an *******. If I make fun of their car, they challenge me to a race (which my stock car could probably win), Somebody challenged my friend to a race "any time, any where". That guy had a lowerd car, my friend had an SUV, so he said "how about in that field right over there" It shut the guy up pretty quickly. Im done with my ranting now.

[Slappy*McFish]

True..these people have the right to do what they want with their cars...no one is trying to deny them that....point is, we have the right to laugh at them.

[Dale W.]

OK you guys. Lets not turn this into a battle here. I understand what you guys are are talking about and you both have good points IMO.

I think what Chunck is really trying to say, and I would fully agree, is that these kids who add a piece here and there think that since they have a big spoiler, their car is a race car. They get a little bit of adrenaline (sp) and then push the car beyond its capabilities thus endangering themselves and everyone around them. The true modders have respect for what they are doing and generally do mods to improve the overall performance.

[125gJoe]

.......point is, we have the right to laugh at them. :)

Incredibly stated! .........

For some reason, I just feel patriotic! :D

http://www.discount-intimate-apparel.com/american-flag-cami-top.jpg

[SomeGuy88]

Been reading this thread for a while, so i decided to put my 2 cents in.

Ya I agree there are jerks out there who think there cool because there old sh*tbox car has a noisy muffler on it. Believe me, there are alot of those around here. But my neighbor, and some friends of mine too, have done nice jobs fixing up there 98 civics or whatever. They run like beauties now. SO what if they have big shiny rims or a spiffy paint job? Thats there decision. Ya they dont make your car go faster, but who cares? Is it up to you to tell them what there car should look like? I think not. Some of the paints jobs ive see are like pieces of art in my eyes. Not everybody with cars like that are jerks, my neighbor is a really nice guy.

Now i dont want to get flammed because of what i think, but thats what i stand by. And as my father always said "opinions are like arseholes, everybodys got one"

-Dan

[chunksofpoooo]

--I've cut my tongue becuase I've bitten it so much--

dont worry, im not gonna burn you for your opinion, i see what your saying. But, regardless of how many times I've said it, and regardless of how many times other people have said it, my point hasnt been made.


I have no problem with people who put custom paint jobs, or people who add things to their car to increase preformance. Like i said in a previous post, i changed the stock color on my car.

What i do have a problem with is, like tel0004 said, people who spend $10 on cosmetics for every $1 they spend on their engine (or car in general), and then proceed to put themselves and others in danger by trying to prove that their car is fast (when we all know its not, and when we all dont give a crap to begin with). If you want to mod your car to make it go fast, thats all good and fine with me. But if you wanna throw a ****ty muffler and a few crappy stickers on your car, then say your car is in the same preformance league as a vett or porsche, followed up by putting everyone around you in danger because you have to race that minivan becuase the old lady gave you a funny look which obviously means she wants to race (whoa, long one), well, if thats the case, your an idiot

If you rev your engine at a porsche, which proceeds to beat you by a good 10-15 car lengths, but you still have your foot on the accelerator and rip past him after its clear that he beat the living crap out of you and started to slow down, and you still call it a victory.....you are who Im talking about

hell, if you rev your engine at a porsche after buying a crappy muffler and a sticker, period, whether you race or not, you are who Im talking about.

9/10 people out there do not care what you do to your car, subsequently they dont want to race. that 1/10, well, thats either who Im talking about, or thats someone with a good sense of humor trying to teach a dumb kid a lesson about fast cars.

Someguy, unless you claim that your custom graphics give you an extra 10hp, or that your rims give you better handling and that your old ones weren't cutting it, you're not who im talking about. I've said it a billion times, i dont care what you do with your money as long as you dont endanger everyone around you by driving a car that throws off sparks every time it corners becuase its so low to the ground. There's no point in having those cars on the road, even though they arent fast, the people who own them still drive them like they are, and they endanger everyone around us

i have no prob with you or your neighbors :D (< happy face indicates that im not yelling at you)

[125gJoe]

:D

[chunksofpoooo]

go see it people, its funny

[viboy]

The best mods I see around here are the $5.00 jobs. Here in BC new drivers need to display a "N" for novice on their car. These kids shove it in the face of the "ricers" by taking a paint roller and painting stripes on their 70's volvo rust bucket or bolting on a wooden spoiler. I think it is great. If I were still a kid this would be the mods I would make. It's their first car, it's a rust bucket, and they want it to look as stupid as possible. Hilarious.

[Guy W]

A good friend of mine has a Honda S2000, that he probably put 40k dollars into engine work. The outside looks basicly the same as it did when he bought it, aside from the big spoiler, but that car can output 500+ HP and has been featured in several magazines.

However, generally speaking I do hate those type of things...

Here is his car, btw, if your interested...

http://www.chrisdrivesafastcar.com/img/turbocover.jpg

http://www.chrisdrivesafastcar.com

[Dale W.]

Hey Guy,
What is the date on that magizine? I am chuckling because of what else is listed on the front cover for articles.

[chunksofpoooo]

wow, 76 replies within the first 3days

[Dale W.]

BTW Chunk, I just wanted to mention that backflow plays a big part in a 4 cyl engine. It actually plays a much bigger part in 4's than it does 8's. That is why I run a supertrap muffler which is a fully tunable exhaust. You basicly tune your exhaust according to the powercurve of your cam. Mine is tuned with very little backflow because I run a cam with a 580 lift and a 284 durration which gives me a powerband from about 3500rpm to about 8500rpm and no, I dont care for those big fart cans that people use. I just wanted to point that out about backflow as a tech note, thats all. :o

[chunksofpoooo]

yeh but you gotta realize that a new muffler tip wont do anything, I understand that if you take the whole exhaust system all the way back you prob get more power out, but most people just add a tip and are done with it. Not to mention, your talking about a heavily modded 4cyl, not a 95civic. My point is that it wouldnt be worth the money to take the exhaust all the way back on a civic without doing a substancial amount of work on the engine, the output wouldnt be that much more

[Dale W.]

You actually can gain a little bit of extra power on a stock motor by doing a cat back system coupled with a different intake. Not that the average Joe would notice that much but it does do a little bit. Yes I do agree that you really dont see any diff if you just add a tip. That doesnt do anything.

[snafu]

cars like this....

[jdheff1982]

Well, just to add my 2 cents worth, I like the tuner scene. I may not be totally dedicated, nor do I drive an import and nor do I have the money. I actually drive something that is, IMO, is better that some of those imports. I drive a 2002 Ford Focus ZX3. It's a tight little car. I've got a 2.25" flowmaster exhaust kit plus an AEM Short ram intake. The DOHC Zetec engine is an awesome powerplant and has lots of horsepower potential. Of course, if my money was unlimited, it would have the v-8 mod done to it!! :cool: Believe it or not, I have the only performance modded focus my city!!

Ciao!