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aquariumfishguy
11-05-2004, 2:33 PM
We all know about the fishy website who was sued because of sparking up complaints about another business (I won't name names). Here's another story of someone who is being sued for similar complaints (non fish related)...
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DALLAS, Ga. - When Alan and Linda Townsend were unhappy with the sprayed-on siding applied to their house, the frustrated couple launched a Web site to complain and to give other unsatisfied customers a forum.

Visitor postings to the Web site said the product, Spray on Siding, cracked, bubbled and buckled. For their efforts, the Townsends got slapped with a lawsuit by the product's maker.

The federal case may help shape the boundaries of online speech.

Companies routinely go after individuals when they feel people are maligning them on the Internet. And often, legal scholars say, the Web site's owners don't fight back at all.

In this dispute, North Carolina-based Alvis Coatings Inc., which supplied the siding product used in the Townsends' $16,721 project, claims the couple's Web site infringes on the company's trademarks, defames its product and intentionally misleads and confuses consumers.

Alvis is seeking more than $75,000 in damages in addition to unspecified punitive damages and attorney fees.

"We could lose everything, including the house, and still be in debt," said Alan Townsend, whose house is valued at around $150,000.

Though neither side was looking for a brawl over speech rights, the lawsuit is headed that way, said Paul Levy, an attorney for Public Citizen, which agreed to help represent the Townsends.

Internet law expert Doug Isenberg of Georgia State University said the courts need to better define free-speech issues for the Internet, and this case could help.

"The right to criticize is certainly protected in general, but it is not unlimited," Isenberg said. "Some of those limits include how you can use someone else's trademark."

The complaint filed by Alvis alleges that the name of the Townsends' Web site, spraysiding.com, "is confusingly similar" to the official Alvis site, sprayonsiding.com, as well as its trademark "Spray on Siding."

Levy argues that the Townsends have the right to use the domain name they purchased.

Courts have provided greater protection to non-commercial sites, such as the Townsends', "but it is not quite so cut-and-dry to say if it is non-commercial use it's acceptable," Isenberg said.

Judges also weigh whether a person is likely to confuse the gripe site with the real one, said Wendy Seltzer, staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based civil-liberties group. A site that bashes a product is not likely to create such confusion, she said.

Companies have threatened scores of criticism sites with trademark infringement and have lost many of the cases that have actually gone to court, Seltzer said. But most of the time, she said, the site owners simply agree to stop before a lawsuit is even filed. Thus, the boundaries of their rights are never tested.

Having this case and others like it go to court should help better define permissible conduct — and perhaps discourage companies from such threats in the future, if they know they would likely lose, Seltzer said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&e=2&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_hi_te/gripe_site_complaint

Cheech
11-05-2004, 3:10 PM
So if we buy something and the product is crap, we're not allowed to tell anyone? How come it's OK for companies to publicise products as great, when in fact they're crap ? ? ?

tomm10
11-05-2004, 3:16 PM
Anyone think tort reform isn't that important? :)

What's sad is that even if these people prevail in this fight they will still have enormous legal bills to pay off.

slipknottin
11-05-2004, 3:57 PM
Not like this hasent already happened in our own aquarium industry....

aquariumfishguy
11-05-2004, 5:38 PM
Hence, I said, "We all know about the fishy website who was sued because of sparking up complaints about another business (I won't name names)."

I guess we all live in a third world country where freedom of speech doesn't apply, huh?

125gJoe
11-05-2004, 9:01 PM
If I have more product/vendor (aquarium related) trouble, and have done my best to remedy the problem, you bet I'll mention it so others won't have to deal with it. Who knows, maybe the 'business' will try and do better in the future.

daveedka
11-06-2004, 9:51 AM
LEts not miss an some important points here:
#1. This isn't settled, and the siding company may lose
#2. Although legal costs suck, and court battles suck, no one ever said it would be easy or cheap to defend our rights.
#3. In this case the siding company is trying to prove that these individuals made their website look like the company website. This is easily remedied.
#4. if you take away copyright infringements (easy enough to do) and other "legal" crap, this couple wouldn't be touchable.
#5. when it is all said and done if the spray on siding is crap, the siding company will be hard pressed to do anything.

So the siding company has to prove first that their product is good, and second that this couple infringed on copywritten materials.

I will have no problem at all expressing my opinion without any chance of being sued.
Dave

daveedka
11-06-2004, 10:21 AM
LEts not miss an some important points here:
#1. This isn't settled, and the siding company may lose
#2. Although legal costs suck, and court battles suck, no one ever said it would be easy or cheap to defend our rights.
#3. In this case the siding company is trying to prove that these individuals made their website look like the company website. This is easily remedied.
#4. if you take away copyright infringements (easy enough to do) and other "legal" crap, this couple wouldn't be touchable.
#5. when it is all said and done if the spray on siding is crap, the siding company will be hard pressed to do anything.

So the siding company has to prove first that their product is good, and second that this couple infringed on copywritten materials.

I will have no problem at all expressing my opinion without any chance of being sued.
Dave

greeneyedlady
11-08-2004, 9:52 AM
not all people get sued for running anti-whatever web sites, this one is just an example of one that has been around for a long time, since my hubby used to work for this company that is how I found out that iit existed, I do not endorse the site it is just to show an example of what is out there


http://www.homedepotsucks.com/

aquariumfishguy
11-08-2004, 3:21 PM
Sure, you can still say whatever you'd like... but unlike previous years, you now have grown (corporate) men and women acting like a baby with their rattle taken away, and who will stop at nothing to literally sue the pants off of you. How unfortunate.