Live rock cycle, are these readings looking ok?

spankey

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I started the tank on the 11th No fish at all just salt water, and my readings were this:

PH 8.2
Nh3 + nh4 1.5
No2 0
No3 12.5
Salinity 1.020
Temp 75 degrees


Today after a week I introduced live rock roughly about 5 lbs worth. Again No fish, just live rock at the moment. Tank is a 15 gallon high.

Readings as of tonight

Ph 8.0 (did drop to 7.7 after adding live rock? Don't know why though?)
Nh3 + nh4 2.0
No2 0
No3 12.5
Salinity 1.025
Temp 75 degrees
Kh 12 ( I also measured this as well today.)

Do these look somewhat ok? I just want opnions on what I could or should be doing more of or less of? I am reading about as much as my brain can take in one day. Just am looking for others info on my readings... I know everyone posts these alot, Just hope someone can coment on mine.... THanks for your help and your time....

Spankey
 
I would expect a bit more fluxuation...but that seems reasonable. Temp seems low to me. I'd try 78-80.
 
Are you using tap water? The presence on nitrates so early may be a problem in the long run, but for now you'll want to keep monitoring it--maybe have your water source checked as well. Otherwise, looks like it's progressing well.
 
Orion-

yes I am using tap water.. Its all I can get at the moment.. I do let it set to room temp. and dechloronate it as well. I also mix it up to salinity then as well... Is there another method to using tap water.. I do however have a charcol filter on my faucet if that helps it in anyway?

Thanks for the help..

Spankey
 
Charcoal won't really remove much of the nitrates from tap water. There are some filtration options that would--like using Reverse Osmosis filtration. Mostly, at this point you'll need to be aware that you will be adding nitrates with each water change, and that the tank may be prone to algae growth. I would plan on having some means of 'harvesting' the nitrates--adding some macro algaes, such as caulerpa. The caulerpa will use the nitrates, and you can then remove a portion every now and then to get them out of the system. Might never become a problem, so this is mostly about planning ahead, especially if you want a reef system. Most fish are quite tolerant of low nitrate levels, but some corals are not.
 
Yeah I just tested my tap and it is as follows

Ammonia 0
No2 0
No3 12.5

So like you stated every time I do a water change I will be adding 12.5ppm of nitrates back into the tank...

Reverse Osmosis is NOT in my budget any time soon... Is there other opions besides tap water.... Guess I got into the hobby prematurely? :rolleyes:

Both my 55 gallon cichlid tanks thrive on my tap water.... But I do add salt to thier tanks and and do NOT over stock.. I really only have about 5 fish in each 55 gallon and they are no bigger than 3 inches.... So those tanks do great.. But I know salt fish are sensitive to any amount of No3... What do other people do that can't afford to do RO water? Can't buy it can you? LOL

What about well water? Is that even worse or better than tap? My father in law has a well. I could get water from him?

OH well....

Spankey
 
spankey said:
Is there other opions besides tap water.... Guess I got into the hobby prematurely? :rolleyes:

RO really isn't too expensive, depending on where you get it. I see RO units at HomeDepot and Costco for like $69.

Another option is to simply get distilled water from any water store in your area, or even some grocery stores. It's a heck of a lot easier with a 5g jug of distilled water, but even the 2g jugs on the shelves in the stores should be a zillion times better than the tap water.

And trust me, out here in San Diego, tap water is B-A-D. :eek:

thanks,
bruce
 
"UPDATE"
12/23/04


Its been roughly two weeks now and my tests are looking like everything is going somewhat ok...

My ammonia spiked up and now is at zero.. The nitrites are up and so are the nitrates.... Soon they should be droping as well corect? I seen the ammonia go up and finally back to zero...

I shouldn't try to lower the No3 and the nitrites? I should just keep adding water to top the tank off from evaporation, correct? I was told that if I tried to lower the Nitrites and Nitrates by doing a water change I could screw the cycle up or extend it much longer than needed? Any info on this?

I am only cycling the tank with live rock. Every now and then I am adding a pinch of fish food to help the bacteria along.. Should I continue to do this, Add food every few days? Should I stop now?

Thanks
Spankey
 
Nitrites should go down next-mine went at about the same downhill speed as the ammonia

Nitrates are not part of the cycle as I think of it but I'm pretty new. I think that will stay as is or close to as is because it was in your water to start with(I use tap too but am staying FO)

IOW, you're close :)
 
Keep feeding--won't hurt.

Water changes to reduce nitrites and nitrates will NOT lengthen the cycle time. Bacteria colonies have a set doubling rate, and it's more reliant on temperature than food availability--the bacteria will multiply at the same rate if there's twice as much food as they need, or less than half. The difference between the 2 scenarios is how much of the colony will survive. So, detectable nitrite = colony survival and growth.

But--as long as the nitrites don't rise enough to inhibit growth (staying under 10 ppm is good, less than 5ppm ideal, IMO), you're fine, and doing water changes will just cost more in salt.


Do you have a sand bed? Sand beds will reduce nitrates as the anaerobic bacteria colonies become established within the sand bed. Adding macro algaes like caulerpa will help reduce nitrates as well. RO water can be purchased--in the long run, this is much more expensive than getting an RO filter of your own, though. Ebay and a local home improvement store are great places to shop for water filters.
 
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