View Full Version : jag and butterfokeri info please
o snap its eric
01-16-2003, 12:28 AM
i need some info on them like aggresiveness and temp, diet, blah blah blah and i would like to know which of the two is more agressive
mosammy121
01-16-2003, 7:22 AM
a pitbull
oh!! the buttikoferi
:confused:
It has been said that the two of which you speak along with the red devil are the top 3 aggressive cichlids.
You may find individual aggressiveness varies though.
I currently have a buttikoferi and a jag my female jag is way more aggresive then my buttikoferi and my uncle had a red devil which I some times wonder which one would be the most agressive but that like many other fish my uncle has had died. I say a jag but make sure you have a big enough tank a female jag needs a min tank of 60 gallons and a male jag needs a min tank of 90 gallons and a buttikoferi need a min tank of 70-90gal. What size tank do you have???
Mattimeo
01-16-2003, 9:58 PM
Buttis, jags are NOT the top 3 most aggressive american cichlids. Dovii, umbee, green tigers and several otehrs are more aggressive than any of those 3
cichlidsickness
01-16-2003, 10:01 PM
my best advice is....don't keep them together
LOLS!! dude u trip me out. it's totally funny that whatever u happen to own (no matter how unknown) must be included...
IMO, some fish are known to be always nasty, like dovii, devils, buttis and then for the rest, it varies so much according to each individual fish.
Originally posted by Mattimeo
Buttis, jags are NOT the top 3 most aggressive american cichlids. Dovii, umbee, green tigers and several otehrs are more aggressive than any of those 3
That is true ttman teperment in cichlids very just like Mojos dovii there said to be mean and aggressive but his is more placid and calm. It jut varies you might get a sissy buttikoferi or a fighter same with almost every cichlid.
Mattimeo
01-19-2003, 12:18 AM
I'm just stating my experiences with those fish. Do you have a problem with that? What really amazes me is where in that post you saw me say that I own those fish. True that I do (except the umbie), however, I never said that once in that post. Sounds like somebody is jealous or refuses to acknowledge the fact that a 15 year old hobbyist could possibly own said fish (you cut me down on anotehr board and refused to believe that I owned anything that i said I did simply because I am 15, which shows just how ignorant you really are).
What really trips ME out is how you refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have kept buttis and in this case, still do keep jaguars. I brought up green tigers because they are anotehr c.a. bruiser. They were brought into the convo to further prove my point. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.
Furthermore, I never once said that there are no exceptions. i've seen/had placid jags, midas, labiatus, etc. As a matter of fact, the ONLY highly fish I've never seen a placid specimen of would be a. zaliosus, and that is probably due to the rarity of the species.
But overall, IME the average buttikofferi are closer to labiatus in temperment.
and I believe you're 15. cause it shows. as for the other thread, u STATED, u have owned "DOZENS upon DOZENS" of big nastys. see that's where I PUT U ON THE SPOT (for making big mindless blanket statements like that) and since u had NO PROOF & u don't even list your tanks & what's in them anywhere, I can assume 2 things: 1. your full of it 2. your dad has a pretty big collection (that u claim is yours).
oh by the way I have owned fish since I was 8, so yes I do believe u can own fish at 15. but you're missing the point...
I own 15 tanks, 10 of them running. that's not enuff tanks for me to even (ethically) think about DOZENS upon DOZENS of big nasty fish. but u do seem a knowledgable guy, perhaps u just got excited in the heat of the moment, lols.
BTW if u have pictures of all your tanks & all your dozens upon dozens of big nasty cichlids, POST IT. it will certainly shut me up. 1 more thing, don't crosstalk about another forum's threads. if u have a issue about a particular thread in a particular forum, respond there. seems logical, doesn't it? have a nice day.
Originally posted by Mattimeo
I'm just stating my experiences with those fish. Do you have a problem with that? What really amazes me is where in that post you saw me say that I own those fish. True that I do (except the umbie), however, I never said that once in that post. Sounds like somebody is jealous or refuses to acknowledge the fact that a 15 year old hobbyist could possibly own said fish (you cut me down on anotehr board and refused to believe that I owned anything that i said I did simply because I am 15, which shows just how ignorant you really are).
What really trips ME out is how you refuse to acknowledge the fact that I have kept buttis and in this case, still do keep jaguars. I brought up green tigers because they are anotehr c.a. bruiser. They were brought into the convo to further prove my point. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.
Furthermore, I never once said that there are no exceptions. i've seen/had placid jags, midas, labiatus, etc. As a matter of fact, the ONLY highly fish I've never seen a placid specimen of would be a. zaliosus, and that is probably due to the rarity of the species.
But overall, IME the average buttikofferi are closer to labiatus in temperment.
Mattimeo
01-19-2003, 11:00 AM
Hence the HAVE OWNED, pertaining to past tense. You want pics of some of my current fish and previously owned? You got them. Just stop this bickering, it's really annoying me. But don't expect me to sit at the side and be pushed around by you. I don't want another flame war breaking out, as I do value my membership here, and I'm sure you do as well.
I'll be making a new thread later on today for my pictures. At the moment, most of my fish are juveniles, as I ahve sold most of my adults to make more room.
You're saying that me being 15 shows??? That's more than I could say for you. Since when is my collection and my experiences with keeping fish your business anyways??? Guess what, it's not.
So please, back off and leave me alone. I'll have your pics up in a bit.
What is a "Green Tiger?" was it meant a Green Terror? Fill me in Bradah's! As for the reply... We are all proud of our caretaking. The vehicle of survival for each of our species. Yes, each person has seen and been "there" we know what we are getting into the moment we pick up our fish. The compariety is irrevalent. And the situation variable.... When it comes down to it all, it's an easy question. (green tiger??? )
Rare Cichlids
01-19-2003, 6:59 PM
The Green Tiger is a is a newly discovered guapote resembling a Motoguense but with green coloration and I blieve a much a much larger max size (closer to 2 ft).
Mattimeo
01-19-2003, 7:01 PM
The Max size of the green tiger guapote is over 2 feet. They closely resemble umbriferus, however, the face is somewhat reminiscent of a motoguensis.
Is it perhaps a variety of the motoguense?
Mattimeo
01-19-2003, 8:41 PM
No. Not closely related to motoguensis. CLosest relative seems to be the umbie.