Bad batch of neons [Archive]

tornangel012

03-17-2005, 11:23 AM

ARGH sooo I was getting my last string of fish to fill my 10 gal fish tank. I got 3 cardinal tetras, 1 green cory cat, and 1 chinese algae eater. I already have 1 betta (george) 2 panda corys, 1 albino cory and 1 neon tetra.

I was on my way back and it's less then a 10 mins drive from my office to petland and I noticed one of the neons had already kicked the bucket. So they have this 48 hour return policy. So I take the fish back during my break no problem. The next day I do a water change and the fish that they gave me as replacement Kicks it ALSO! What the heck?! I checked all my levels and made sure the water was the same tempurature. My mom took it back with water and they said They can't use the water because the dead fish is in there. another load of BULL!!!! I went to this other fish store and they took the water with my dead fish to test and they didn't mind and that was a Fish specialty store! Anyways they lecture my mom and give her another replacement.

I tested the water after my water change and before I put in the SECOND replacement fish. Everything is good still. put the fish in after the acclimation of 30 mins. This morning that same fish is dead.

I'm sooo MAD because they lectured my mom about it when NONE of our other fish have died and are doing JUST FINE! I did everything right and all my tests came out fine for nitrites, nitrates, ph and ammonia! I'm SOOO going to give them HELL about it because there is no reason 3 Fish should die in 3 days when the other 4 are fine! AISH! dumb dumb dumb. Maybe THEY need to check their waters!

Also another one has just kicked it..........
I don't think I should get neons from there anymore because I did everything right and they have two tanks but the keep giving me the neons from the tank where the past one were from and died.

Any suggestions on something HOPEFully colorful for a 10 gal mid level swimmer?

fishpoor

03-17-2005, 11:27 AM

rasbora espie- stay small, brightly colored, HARDY schooling fish

mrmcmasty

03-17-2005, 1:27 PM

I experienced something very similiar, except I had cardinals. I spent almost a month fishless cycling my tank... I added 11 cardinals and some other fish... within four days all 11 had died (one was dead before I got home) so I went three seperate time to return different groups of them... each time they tested my water and each time my water was good... I went back a couple days later and the guy told me they had a large number of their cardinals die too... the lfs I go to is privately owned and pretty responsible... they refunded all my money... I havnt added anymore fish... not sure what I will replace them with...

good luck to you.

Betta-Gurl

04-07-2005, 5:32 PM

I would add Maybe some Glow-Light tetras to your tank maybe 3 :joe:

homerHart

04-08-2005, 4:05 AM

chinnp

04-08-2005, 6:19 AM

I've found dieing is the what neons do best. They seem to be very very skilled at it.

tornangel012

04-08-2005, 10:23 AM

TornAngel - have you ever wondered if your tank might be overstocked - don't bite my head off - I am just starting out in this game and also have a 10gal tank (I am still fishless cycling) I posted a thread called (review my stocking levels)
I listed the sort of fish that I wanted to keep in the tank and was shot down in flames and told that it was way too many fish.
Could you list what fish you have got in your tank and how much water it holds - my tank with the gravel and stones only holds just over 20 litres of water.

no it wasn't overstocked at the time course now it is a TOTALLY diffrent tanks since my dad threw in 6 tiger barbs I moved everything out but the barbs and a CAE and 2 barbs died so it's down to 4 tiger barbs and 1 CAE ( which if need be will be moved into a 46 gal)

At the time of the Neon incident I had 2 panda cories and 1 albino cory and 1 betta. I had one Neon left from the initial two I started with and added 3 cardinals. anyways all dead and what didn't die immediately was killed by dad's tiger barbs ( darn HIM!)

steveeas

04-08-2005, 12:05 PM

I've found dieing is the what neons do best. They seem to be very very skilled at it.
too true! could not have put it better!.

centralharbor

04-08-2005, 12:16 PM

no it wasn't overstocked at the time course now it is a TOTALLY diffrent tanks since my dad threw in 6 tiger barbs I moved everything out but the barbs and a CAE and 2 barbs died so it's down to 4 tiger barbs and 1 CAE ( which if need be will be moved into a 46 gal)

At the time of the Neon incident I had 2 panda cories and 1 albino cory and 1 betta. I had one Neon left from the initial two I started with and added 3 cardinals. anyways all dead and what didn't die immediately was killed by dad's tiger barbs ( darn HIM!)

4 tiger barbs and one CAE is still overstocked for a 10 gal IMO. if im not mistaken, the tiger barbs get to be around 3 inches and the CAE gets to be around 10 inches, but my friends one is probably around 7 inches, its around 2 years old, and its not a slender fish either. you should stop adding and switching around fish until you can find the source of your problem

cloud

04-08-2005, 12:57 PM

I've found dieing is the what neons do best. They seem to be very very skilled at it.

second that. can't be bothered with them anymore.

tornangel012

04-08-2005, 7:24 PM

4 tiger barbs and one CAE is still overstocked for a 10 gal IMO. if im not mistaken, the tiger barbs get to be around 3 inches and the CAE gets to be around 10 inches, but my friends one is probably around 7 inches, its around 2 years old, and its not a slender fish either. you should stop adding and switching around fish until you can find the source of your problem

uhhhhh I haven't added or switched anything in about two weeks the last change I did was taking fish OUT of the tiger barb tank.

My problem was a BAD batch of neons from PETLAND and tiger barbs attacking everyone.

I'm not irresponsible, I test water every change and if anything comes up. This was a RANT :rant2: about BAD neons.

Beagles

04-08-2005, 8:04 PM

I've found dieing is the what neons do best. They seem to be very very skilled at it.

:soda:

Kasakato

04-08-2005, 8:05 PM

uhhhhh I haven't added or switched anything in about two weeks the last change I did was taking fish OUT of the tiger barb tank.

My problem was a BAD batch of neons from PETLAND and tiger barbs attacking everyone.

I'm not irresponsible, I test water every change and if anything comes up. This was a RANT :rant2: about BAD neons.

I agree. There was nothing more Angle could do :hang:

sublime1184

04-08-2005, 8:21 PM

C'mon Torn, this is completely your fault, you know how fragile they are and that Neons have their own disease named after them, you were asking for it.... ;)

JK but I agree, there was nothing you could have done, just a bad batch...

WinterWind

04-08-2005, 8:33 PM

I got six cardinals and all six died within 4 days...:(

Boohoo

04-08-2005, 11:00 PM

Sorry in advance but I'm kinda in a cranky mood. Lack of sleep this week. But everyone seems to give neons a bad rap. First of all in your original post you are talking about cardinals and then stray off to neons. Which species are you talking about? Neons aren't as week as everyone thinks, I have kept them on more than one occasion and all turned out well. the most recent time I had them (and still do) I was cycling a 10g. I am new to the abundant sources of info available and i am never going to argue a point unless I can back it up. The Neons I have now and have had in the past sure seem alot tougher than the ones most of you speak of. All I can tell you from my own experience (which isn't alot of knowledge) is if you do your water changes and keep everything within reason they seem to be real little troopers.IMO I know this goes against everything people say here but I just don't see them as a very "weak fish". I have kept them on two different occasio9ns, one being years ago and honestly I think old age killed them. 2-3 years. Please don't throw stones for what I'm saying it is the truth.

tornangel012

04-09-2005, 12:17 PM

awww I'm really sorry to hear that Winterwind. Dead fish is NO fun. Black neons tend to be more hearty but not quite as pretty. I think when I get my 29 gal going I'm going to try for a school of black skirted tetras or Serpae tetras.

I don't think neon tetras are bad as a WHOLE just that petland tends to do a REALLY bad job of caring for them and I know from a previous petland employee that they always die off fast and have to reorder ( this was AFTER the incident I met this person). They are told from their source to HEAVILY med the neon and cardinal tanks to keep them alive. Which i think is TOTALLY BS and not right at all.

If you get a good stock GOOD FOR YOU! and VERY lucky in my neck of the woods.

Hey BOOHOO sorry to hear about the bad mood but I had both NEONS and CARDINALS in there and they ALL died. I'm sorry if that was confusing I was Ranting :rant: you know..........

Boohoo

04-09-2005, 8:27 PM

Had a good nights sleep in a better mood tonight. I am in no way saying or implying it is you doing anything wrong. How are these fish taken care of before you as the consumer buys them. I think that is alot of the problem. You can't control the way they aclimate(sp?) them and they arn't going to make you aware of there die-off rate. All you can do is hope for the best after doing everthing right on your behalf. I wish you all the best and please don't give up on Neons. Just try and find a reputable LFS that somewhat knows how to take care of their fish. PS very sorry for being cranky lastnight.

cloud

04-10-2005, 3:54 AM

Also, because Neons have been bred for decades all over the world by breeders of varying experience and skill you get some batches in one part that are healthy and come from a good line of healthy Neons, and some that have been in-bread for generations in another. So we were over generalising a little. by saying Neons are a week breed. But I think in the main if you find somewhere where they sell a healthy strand then you're deffinatelly in the minority where Neons are concerend as so many people have had bad experiences with them.
So don't think its the Neons people have a gri[pe about as it's not their fault if they get in-bread and badly selected by most breeders for generations.
:)

tornangel012

04-10-2005, 2:53 PM

PS very sorry for being cranky lastnight.

It's all good, I just haven't found anyplace in my area that seems to have any successful amount of neons or cardinals. :D

Boohoo

04-10-2005, 6:42 PM

That can be very frustrating especially if it is something you really have your heart set on.

z71silverado98

04-10-2005, 7:19 PM

wurd. ive got some neons that are atleast 3yrs old i picked them up at petsmart. comparing them to the stock around here now looks like a totally different fish. mine have a fish shape to them, the ones in the stores look so deformed. they are nothing but huge heads w/ little bodies on them. besides being ugly these guys dont even make it home.

gman52

04-30-2005, 8:32 PM

Kasakato

04-30-2005, 8:35 PM

This is from the beginning of the month. How did this come back up?!

tornangel012

05-01-2005, 1:33 PM

tetras are extremely delicate fish. it took me 3 times before i could sucessfully get them into my tank and live. the reason those tetras didnt live because your tank was horribly overstocked. when you introduced those neons, they went into shock, from bad water quality from all the fish and it went all down hill from then. 6 noen tetras is really all you should keep in a 10 gal. and mayb a cory to clean up the bottom. and any amount of barbs in a 10 gal is overstocked. they are way too active and should only be kept in a 20 gal or larger. you should really do some research before stocking a tank, because under those condiotion your fish are not happy, and your not providing a good home for your pets.

UH you need to check you dates person because this was AWHILE ago and my tank specs are TOTALLY different then they were when I had the neons. Back then I had One Betta, 2 panda corys, 1 albino cory, 3 cardinals and 1 neon. Tiger barbs came in when there was 1 neon left.

If you bother to check my tank specs right now you can see it is a WHOLE different story.

racingjason

05-01-2005, 1:53 PM

I must be lucky or my LFS gets them from a different source. I bought 50 and 1 died the next day (it was dropped at the LFS) so I got a free one. Then 2 started fighting like mad and 1 lost an eye so I ended up with 48 of the 50 making it. I think all 50 would have made it if the one was not dropped and I had seperated the fighters.
My wild discus have now thinned them out a bit, I never thought they would be able to catch one but they are smart and wait until the neons drift off to sleep then snatch them up from behind by moonlight. :D I'm down to 35-40 neons now I think.

pbecot01

03-07-2006, 2:57 AM

I must have gone through 30+ neons trying to get a school of 6 in my 10g tank before I gave up and converted that one to saltwater.

On the other hand, a couple months later, I bought 15 for my new 30g tank, and still have 15.

There's good batches, and there's bad ones.

hsherman1986

03-07-2006, 7:56 AM

*EDIT* Sorry, I did not even pay attention to the date, much less, somehow, the amount of pages on this thread. I just woke up, and am still groggy**

personally, I have had surprisingly good luck with neons. I bought ten over a month ago for my 55 gallon, and they are all still alive.

Though from everything that i read about them, I am not surprised about your situation. A lot of them do get that neon tetra disease that will wipe all of them out, and there is nothing you can do about it. One of my friends had bought about 20 for her 30 gallon, and she only has four that survived. She just bought six more, and is keeping her fingers crossed.

Lobo.

03-07-2006, 8:22 AM

I've found dieing is the what neons do best. They seem to be very very skilled at it.

thats funny, maybe i just have a good lfs, but ive never had neons die unless they got ich (so did all the other fish in the tank) or got eaten (used to have a pictus...) never had them die on me like what u guyes are talkin about...

pbecot01

03-07-2006, 10:28 AM

lol, i was searching the forum, and responded... and THEN noticed it was months old. Sorry ;)

tornangel012

03-07-2006, 11:27 AM

Hey it never hurts to revive a thread if it answers other people's questions or adds for info for everyone out there :cool:

Gonzo11

03-07-2006, 6:58 PM

I read this thread and didn't realize until someone pointed out that Angel originally posted early last year.

Angel-

Sounds like you are in Powell, Ohio. If you got the fish at the Petland in Powell, are you aware that last year they had major issues with their power? They lost a lot of stock because the power kept going off in the area.

I am not a Cardinal or a Neon fan, FWIW. The post just jogged my memory.

Gomisan

03-07-2006, 10:20 PM

:lol: I just had a read, and either we get a hardier bunch of neons down here (in Oz) or I got lucky.

I started my tank with neons, and they've been happy chappies, taking Ammonia cycle and temperture fluctuations in their stride as I've learnt gradually about the hobby.

I really like them, and am looking forward to getting a bigger tank where I can have a big school of 20+ neons swimming about.