Mars

[beautifulfish]

I mean, who would actually want to go to Mars? What's the point? It is a burning ball of mass! Ok scientist people! There was never life on Mars! How could there be when it is BURNING! and plus..oops..not supossed to talk about"religious" stuff even though it isn't religion. I mean why would ANYONE want to go into SPACE! wouldn't that be scary? So people...you can comment! :joke:

[mishi8]

Um, it's not burning, it's actually very cold (it's further from the sun than we are). I, myself, have no desire to go into space, but those with a real sense of adventure might (my husband would love to go there, and had wanted to be an astronaut so badly when he was a kid!) Consider it an unexplored territory...people have always explored the unknown, and always will.

[beautifulfish]

ok..then why did I learn that Mars was BURNING?!?!! hmm...oh well..I would never want to go..cause the rockets blow up a lot but that's just my opinion:D

[mishi8]

ok..then why did I learn that Mars was BURNING?!?!! hmm...oh well..I would never want to go..cause the rockets blow up a lot but that's just my opinion:D

Maybe you assumed it was because it is red. You could try to learn a bit more about the science behind it, rather than cowering behind fears with no scientific basis.

[beautifulfish]

lol...I'm not afraid of mars(ugggg..I hate this stupid rule but I will abide by it). but I have learned enought about for me. I'm NOT trying to sound uppity or anything:) sorry if it sounds that way.

[mishi8]

I didn't mean you were afraid of Mars. What "stupid rule" are you abiding by? BTW, if you're not going into space because rockets "blow up a lot" I imagine you don't fly, because planes crash a lot. LOL!

[beautifulfish]

yes that is true! I would rather sail to America by boat then fly!

[mishi8]

You do know that boats sink a lot and cars crash a lot, don't you?

[beautifulfish]

yes. I have already sailed to and from america once on a boat. Someday I will conquer flying!

[mishi8]

Back to the discussion on Mars...

Mars is worth exploring because it is the mostly likely planet in our solar system, after earth, to host living organisms. You can check out more science on Mars here:

http://www.marsnews.com/focus/life/

Here's a little info from that page, on why man should go to Mars to explore:

Solving the Search for Life Question
The debate continues. Future missions to Mars will address the question of Life on Mars. In 2005, a Mars Sample Return mission will attempt to bring back likely candidate samples of minerals in which these kind of fossils would occur. If successful, and similar evidence is found, the critics will be silenced. However, it's a long-shot that a suitable sample can be found by a remote-controled rover. The best thing would be to have a trained field geologist with a rock hammer. A human explorer would offer on-site experience, better mobility (presumably he'd have his own rover to drive around in), and a much better chance of finding evidence for life. So, in the end, the best way to settle the debate is to send people to Mars. In the opinion of the Mars Society and many experts, this question alone is enough to justify a Humans to Mars program.

[beautifulfish]

I don't think that in my lifetime they will put a human on Mars but they might years and years from now. I am GLAD that Norway doens't have a space program yet!

[mishi8]

I wouldn't be surprised if man makes it to Mars within my children's lifetime. We've said they'd be astronauts since they were born. :D

[beautifulfish]

that is true! America has advanced SOOO much in the last 100 years! I miss my home country but Norway is awesome too. I would think if they even make it to mars it would be in te next 100 years.

[mishi8]

Yes, North America has advanced a lot. I'm not in the U.S., though, but in Canada. :)

[Larissa]

So why'd you moved to Norway? I've seen some beautiful pictures of it. Is it really that pretty? Is it cold all of the time?

[beautifulfish]

I moved to Norway because I met my wonderful husband of two months! We live at the top of Norway so it is colder up there. It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo beautiful with all the fjords and everything. I am still trying to master their language. It is quite difficult.

[Larissa]

I went to Germany the summer before my Senior year of high school and I thought I would pick up some German, but everyone there wanted to practice their english on me. Do Norwegian's speak english in addition to their native language? It must be really cool to live somewhere so pretty.

[beautifulfish]

That's neat! They teach English in school. Yes, EVERYONE wants to hear me speak English and I want to hear their Norwegian! haha. Most people can speak some English. Yes it is really cool to live somewhere beautiful!

[125gJoe]

On the Mars Topic....

Excavating Cydonia is the only reason I would go there.

NASA made a huge mistake by playing it safe with the rovers..

Also - why did NASA again overlook one of the most incredible features ever found on Mars?? There are "huge tube-like structures" NASA chose NOT to explore! That's another very important reason to go.

Such a waste.....

Where are the rovers now?
On flatland desert you can find right here on Earth... Just sand and some rock....
...wow..


:confused:

[randalizm]

haha the rovers really are here. mars? we never even made it to the moon.

[125gJoe]

At one point, I was questioning the Moon trips, but not anymore. The conspiracies have been shown to be wrong.

[mishi8]

haha the rovers really are here. mars? we never even made it to the moon.

I hope you're joking....that, or you live in another reality.

[125gJoe]

I hope you're joking....that, or you live in another reality.There are many out there that really believe we never went. One good claim is there's too much radiation to deal with.

From Wikepedia:

"The Van Allen Belt's impact on space travel

Solar cells, integrated circuits, and sensors can be damaged by radiation. In 1962, the Van Allen belts were temporarily amplified by a high-altitude nuclear explosion and several satellites ceased operation. Magnetic storms occasionally damage electronic components on spacecraft. Miniaturization and digitization of electronics and logic circuits have made satellites more vulnerable to radiation, as incoming ions may be as large as the circuit's charge. The Hubble Space Telescope, among other satellites, often has its sensors turned off when passing through regions of intense radiation.

A object satellite shielded by 3 mm of aluminum will receive about 2500 rem (3) (25 Sv) per year.

Conspiracy theorists have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. In practice, even at the peak of the belts, one could live for several months without receiving a lethal dose.

Project Apollo nevertheless deliberately timed their launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the radiation. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it."

[randalizm]

joe's right but i was joking. but i do like leaving this reality from time to time.

[125gJoe]

joe's right but i was joking. but i do like leaving this reality from time to time.And, it can be proven that past "reality" had the world believing that the world is flat.

Seems reality is changeable...

[mishi8]

Well, I can believe they timed their launches to minimize risk/exposure (I certainly don't believe in conspiracy theories.) I think it's absolutely amazing at how well planned any space mission is, down to the most minute calculations and details, and watched in awe as the Mars rovers first started broadcasting pictures. An awful lot of effort, manpower and money going into something that "never happened."

[mishi8]

I moved to Norway because I met my wonderful husband of two months! We live at the top of Norway so it is colder up there. It is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo beautiful with all the fjords and everything. I am still trying to master their language. It is quite difficult.

I would love to take a trip to visit Norway. My husband is of Norwegian heritage, and has been there to visit relatives, the pictures he took were beautiful. I would be fun to take the kids when they're older...make it a trip to Norway and Ukraine (my heritage).

[mishi8]

And, it can be proven that past "reality" had the world believing that the world is flat.

Seems reality is changeable...

But reality is that the world was always round. Man's capacity to learn and understand scientific reality is what has changed. Though some still seem to keep their heads buried in the sand.

[Watcher74]

Why would the human race want to go to Mars?

Ever since we came into being Humanity has been a race of explorers. We boldly marched out of Africa in waves of exploration. We traveled to every distant corner of this tiny planet and conquered every mile of it.

For vacation what do we do?

We travel. We explore parts of the world that we have never been to before. That's what we do when we can get away from the daily grind of work. For a bit of weekend fun, we head to the City or the Country and go to new places. Now we explore the depths of our Oceans and the expanse of our Solar System.

It's in our blood to go. And there will never be a shortage of volunteers to go "out There".

I say, why would you want to just sit on this rock until a comet wipes out all traces of life on it?

[mishi8]

Exactly, Watcher! :) Now, I'm not that adventurous myself (I've got a bit of a phobia of being in the deep sea, or in the endless universe). But there are so many places I still want to explore in my lifetime, and love to try things that are a bit of a challenge (like bungee jumping, skydiving, rock climbing, etc.) Plus it's so fun exploring different cultures and languages. Life would be so boring just staying home all the time!

[125gJoe]

... .... An awful lot of effort, manpower and money going into something that "never happened."Yeah, kinda reminds me of Independence Day, the movie... :D

----

I am disappointed with area they chose to explore with the rovers.

Now we can wait for the highest resolution photos yet, when the next orbiter arrives. That is, after NASA censors them.

[mishi8]

I don't believe that the photos are censored. But maybe I'm not cynical enough. :)

However, I'm not the best person to debate with over the rovers...I just don't have the interest level to know that much about them. I should substitute my DH in this conversation. He's a big space buff, and has followed the Mars (and every other mission) very closely. I showed him this thread last night, and it seems he is in disagreement with you over Excavating Cydonia. :D Unfortunately, he's not big on arguing over the internet. LOL!

[125gJoe]

..... I showed him this thread last night, and it seems he is in disagreement with you over Excavating Cydonia. :D Unfortunately, he's not big on arguing over the internet. LOL!If not Cydonia, then what about these "things"?

The second photo is from farther away.
Let me know if they open or not...


http://www.ebtx.com/mars/m291g4.jpg

http://www.ebtx.com/mars/m04fghi.jpg

[mishi8]

They're pictures of lights and shadow that have been overanalyzed by someone who's looking for something that doesn't exist? Doesn't take much use Photoshop to "enhance" a photo. ;)

One of the rovers, BTW, has reached the top of Husband Hill, apparently the panoramic photos are amazing. Check out this photo! (http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=050822_rover_view_02.jpg&cap=Spirit+Mars+rover+has+rolled+into+position+for +a+grand+view+atop+Husband+Hill.+Note+dust+devils+ scooting+by+across+the+Gusev+crater+landscape.+A+d ust+devil+is+much+like+a+tornado+on+Earth.+Credit% 3A+NASA%2FJPL) According to DH, the rovers have also made it through a Martian year, and have recharged to the same power level they had when they first landed. :)

[125gJoe]

They're pictures of lights and shadow that have been overanalyzed by someone who's looking for something that doesn't exist? Doesn't take much use Photoshop to "enhance" a photo...Those photos are not enhanced at all! They are direct from NASA. I remember when they first came out.

Here's more info. Scroll halfway down to "The Martian Tubes". These are actual NASA photos. Read the article... :eek: http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa030501b.htm



Since they are not "tampered with" -- what do you think it could be?

Kinda humbling imagining what it is...... Maybe a better word is "awe", as in incredibly awesome!

[125gJoe]

mishi8, just for more proof these are actual photos of very strange 'things', here's another link:

http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/m04002/m0400291.html

Click the first photo on left to enlarge it. The MOC Image column..

:thm:

[mishi8]

I looked at all the photos you linked, and read the text. The first website seems to have been written quite a while ago, since it refers to the current rovers in future tense. Personally, I think the items in these images are not constructions, but naturally occuring geological formations. Simple light and shadow can create images that our eyes see as structure. It happens with formations on earth too. The human brain is constantly trying to create order out of chaos, not surprising when looking at foreign terrain. I don't know if the rovers have gone anywhere near there, or plan to in the near future. I'm sure the terrain will be looked at at some point, and I bet it will be interesting, but not nearly as amazing as it's been made out to be.

[sumthin fishy]

What about that "face" on mars? any news of that?

[mishi8]

What about that "face" on mars? any news of that?

More recent photos proved that it is "the Martian equivalent of a butte or mesa -- landforms common around the American West."

Check out this website for more info: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_face_010525-1.html

[125gJoe]

What about that "face" on mars? any news of that?

http://anomalyhunters.com/cgi-bin/marsbbs/webbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=17260

http://the2001face.50megs.com/Cydonia/index.html

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1070.html?theme=light
This last one is a summed up version of what they think...
:hang: ...woooHoo ! :D

[mishi8]

Now this is the website you should be reading for true info on space and Mars:
badastronomy.com

A page on the face:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/face.html

And about the "glass worm" or "tubes":
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/glassworm.html

:)

[125gJoe]

Now this is the website you should be reading for true info on space and Mars:
badastronomy.com...
And about the "glass worm" or "tubes":
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/glassworm.html

:)I read throught the site and find, for one thing, this person seems to have a personal adjenda against Hoagland. I believe Hoagland goes way too far on his theories, but I see no need for the attacks.

As for the "worms or tubes" - is there anything on Earth that closely resembles them??

http://www.badastronomy.com/pix/hoagland/glass_tubes_closeup_flipped.jpg

To me, this is one of the most fascinating photos of Mars - ever.

By the way, I can't see them looking like valleys. That's another reason I posted the pictures. I see the huge canyon where these structures are but, not part of the canyon.

[mishi8]

I read throught the site and find, for one thing, this person seems to have a personal adjenda against Hoagland. I believe Hoagland goes way too far on his theories, but I see no need for the attacks.

I don't read them as attacks. Did you find the link to the Coast to Coast transcript where Hoagland is talking about Phil Plait? Plait adds his own comments. I definitely side with Plait rather than Hoagland.


As for the "worms or tubes" - is there anything on Earth that closely resembles them??

I doubt it. But we are looking at a different planet...not surprising there is different terrain. I still don't believe they are tubes, though, just a light and shadow thing. A photograph isn't always a true representation of an image, because it takes a 3D image and reders it 2D...that can change the whole perspective. Eventually they'll explore it, and we'll know for sure. Until then, it's a neat photo, but I don't think it anything quite so spectacular as tubes.

[125gJoe]

I haven't heard much about Plait, but I do think Hoagland exaggerates some - but then he is a bit hyper... LOL

Since nothing Earthly resembles the "tubes" on Mars. I'm surprised that some think they are just another "play on light reflections". It just seems so simple to overlook how unique the NASA photos are. It's so "unknown" it's incredible!

mishi8, I know people 'see' things differently. I hope the new mission approaching Mars now will get the "hi-resolution" photos of these "tubes, etc.."

What's you opinion on the Mars rock that was found in Antarctica? There seemed to be microbe fossils on/in it?

[mishi8]

What's you opinion on the Mars rock that was found in Antarctica? There seemed to be microbe fossils on/in it?

Hey 125gJoe, I didn't ignore your question, just stepped away from the topic a bit...but thought I should get back to you with a response. :) I haven't followed any info on the Mars rock. In the little bit of reading I did about it, it sounds like the jury is still out on whether they are actually microbe fossils or not. However, all the information I've found seems to be somewhat out of date, with no new updates.

[judgemax]

I read throught the site and find, for one thing, this person seems to have a personal adjenda against Hoagland. I believe Hoagland goes way too far on his theories, but I see no need for the attacks.

As for the "worms or tubes" - is there anything on Earth that closely resembles them??

http://www.badastronomy.com/pix/hoagland/glass_tubes_closeup_flipped.jpg

To me, this is one of the most fascinating photos of Mars - ever.

By the way, I can't see them looking like valleys. That's another reason I posted the pictures. I see the huge canyon where these structures are but, not part of the canyon.
THEY KINDA LOOK LIKE MILLAPEDES...LOL OR CENTIPEDES! or atleast the exoskeleton!