View Full Version : tinfoils regular, gold, albino question
I'm assuming this species and its forms are quite hardy and the average aquarist does not have a problem keeping these for many years ???????:)
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 9:38 PM
They are a very HARDY fish and live many years (10+ years). No worries. a Very easy fish to take care not only because the water quality does not have to be perfect...but they ignore all other fish in the tank, so no aggressiveness.
There is also a "Glass tinfoil" but i have no clue what they look like because there is no pic on the internet.
The Albino's are not as Hardy because they are albino (throughout all species, albinos are harder to keep alive) SO IM NOT SURE ON THEIR LIFESPAN.
slipknottin
12-01-2002, 9:39 PM
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So is the albino tinfoil in your opinion still in the hardy class, have you had any problems keeping your albinos alive? How often and how much water do you change? Thanks for the tips.:D
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 9:42 PM
I believe you can keep 3 tinfoils in a 60 gallon tank. My dad did for 10+ years with no stunting problems (they did stop growing about 8 inches).
Tinfoils are fine in groups 3 or larger.
My albinos: I change 30 percent weekly. Feed flakes in the morning, cichlid pellets and foodsticks in the afternoon and Brineshrimp at night. I have no problems with them.
slipknottin
12-01-2002, 9:44 PM
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Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
I believe you can keep 3 tinfoils in a 60 gallon tank. My dad did for 10+ years with no stunting problems (they did stop growing about 8 inches).
Ummmmmm, wouldn't that qualify as stunting? :confused:
you change quite a bit of water often which is good. Most don't change this much but probably should. Do you have any close ups of your albinos, I think you posted some photos before but not close ups? :p
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 9:51 PM
People may have problems with tanks sizes. any tank 60 gallons or more is fine for tinfoils. Yes..they wont reach their natural size? does this harm their health? I dont think so. Bala sharks are schooling fish, BUT THEY GROW HUGE. People still keep them and they live a peacefull life in a tank where a fishkeeper shows their love, instead of in some pond in ASIA waiting to be served on someones dinner plate.
BTW: DO NOT KEEP ONLY 1 Tinfoil!!! Important!! I heard HORROR stories on the newsgroups where single tinfoils will terrorize all the other fish in the tank... 3 or more does not show this behavior.....
I'm sure you could put some in a medium sized aquarium such as a 55 or so. They just would not get quite as large as say a 200 or 300 gallon. I've had the tiny aquariums before like 55 gallons, my next tank I want a 300 gallon.
cichlid
12-01-2002, 9:53 PM
Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Yes..they wont reach their natural size? does this harm their health? I dont think so.
you're not serious are you?
an experienced fish keeper like you should know better, shouldn't you?
slipknottin
12-01-2002, 9:59 PM
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JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 9:59 PM
Im not saying a 60 gallon tank is BETTER. Im saying many people cant afford to have a 300 gallon tank. I would like to have one eventually when I own a house. But living on a second floor apartment complex can limit the size of the tank.
IM not an AVID fishkeeper. I dont keep plants in my tank. Thats not my goal. My goal is to enjoy a hobby and take care of my for their Lifetime (Hopefully a long long time)
slipknottin
12-01-2002, 10:02 PM
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JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 10:03 PM
I just dont anyone to talk you out of your tinfoils. They are a nice fish. You also want a bala shark. These same poeple would tell you not to get that one as well.
You cant compare a tinfoil in a 60 gallon and a oscar in a 10 gallon...
slipknottin
12-01-2002, 10:07 PM
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cacti
12-01-2002, 10:09 PM
No one will talk me out of them believe me. I know that a semi-skilled aquarist can keep them in a 50- 70 gallon tank no matter who says you cant. Keeping big fish in smaller aquariums and keeping overcrowded aquariums for long periods requires a talent not all people have. :D
Anton Wernher
12-01-2002, 10:10 PM
So how are the tar heels going to do this year? :\
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 10:13 PM
Look...he is PLanning a 300 Gallon Tank.....Is that big enough for you? besides, Your saying even though I demenstrated to you I CARE about my albino tinfoils and take VERY GOOD care of them, I should not deserve them? OK..They will be stunted in a 60 gallon tank. If i didnt buy them, someone who most likely wouldnt have a tank that is bigger then 60 galllons would buy them and not live as long as if they were well taken care of by me.
Hey, like I said, They are well taken care of and Loved. Better then being in asia on a dinner plate.
cacti
12-01-2002, 10:16 PM
When you get a close up photo of one of the albinos I would be interested in seeing it. No hurry.
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 10:22 PM
Sorry.. I dont have any close ups. I only have a webcam and that isnt all that good. I did post a few pics. Try this:
http://64.191.28.50/forums/showthread.php?threadid=167&pagenumber=1
there are several pics of tinfoils on it,.....
cacti
12-01-2002, 10:27 PM
Thanks for the pics, those are fairly close up, healthy looking too. Looks like they have a nice home.
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 10:31 PM
Thanks..did you check my photos as well (why they are linked in the page and doesnt come up with the page..who knows....) the ones that automatically load up are Aquas...who mentions something about putting them in her pond??? hmmmm....
cacti
12-01-2002, 10:37 PM
Yes I think I did see your photos too the other day. I really liked the Distichodus sexfasciatus photo, (large close up) someone posted the other day. I must have a Distichodus some day. Maybe D. lucosso. :)
JamisonBWolsh
12-01-2002, 11:36 PM
AND the moral of the story: Buy the fish that you want. Who cares what people think?
Pssssssss...... (very softly I whisper into cacti's ear)
Your really going to enjoy your 3 Albino Tinfoils!
slipknottin
12-02-2002, 8:32 AM
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[Slipknotten writes:----->
Cacti- there is no such "skill", keeping large animals in small tanks is not impressive nor does it show any good husbandry skills. Its just downright mean to the fish and Id expect more from someone who came here to learn about them.
Im glad both of you can negate claims so well. Its impressive how you can skip over any facts because you dont want to hear them. [/B][/QUOTE]:rolleyes:
This guy doesn't seem alright to me. All my life I've seen fish the size of tinfoils, Oscars in home aquariums and healthy. I think he just wants to argue, we better ignore him.
slipknottin
12-02-2002, 9:28 AM
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JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 9:39 AM
We know this. a 125 gallon tank or larger would be best for these fish. KNowledge that we already know. HOWEVER, I bet 90 percent of poeple that own tinfoils do keep them in 60 gallons or smaller tank. Is there something wrong with it? No. I am in fishkeeping for 1 year. HOWEVER, I grew up all my life with my dad tinfoils who never showed any stunted problems and looked perfectly healthy. I change water constantly and feed them properrly. Many fishkeepers change the water once a month or dont even care. I Do.
Cacti: Instead of getting that oscar, why dont you get that Distichidus Sex. or loulouso ? In the LFS (VERY few of them) I seen them for sale for 29.00. When they do get older, their colors do tend to not be so bright, But they still have the stripes. Or you might consider a Tiger shovelnose catfish. WOW they are one NICE catfish. I seen one in the LFS that was 2 feet long. NICE coloring. Now that fish I would not reccomend for a 60 or smaller tank. BUT cacti..for your 300 gallon tank...... Of course though, they tend to be boring I think. Just laying there and not swimming around and all small fish will be an immediate meal......
slipknottin
12-02-2002, 9:42 AM
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AikidoGuy
12-02-2002, 9:44 AM
i HAD 3 in a 450gal tank that grew to between 8" -10" in 3 years! those fish are EXTREMELY active and used everybit of the space that my arowana would allow them. one eventually got eaten so i got rid of the other two, but they are now in a 180gal with 2 others that are even larger and the tank looks very crowded!
JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 10:00 AM
Actually. one of my dads tinfoils died because he/she choked on a corie. One of them died at 10 years by disease I think? Dont know... And the other is still alive at 15 years.
It took your tinfoils 3-4 years to get them to grow 8-10 inches? Mine are a year old and are that size now...
I think anyone interested in tinfoils and have a tank the size of 60 gallon or larger..is FINE. 60 galllons are wider then 55 gallons. AND they can turn around. :rolleyes:
AikidoGuy
12-02-2002, 10:03 AM
thats not counting the tail, if i counted the tails it'd be like 13"-14"
Mattimeo
12-02-2002, 6:01 PM
there you go. He's got 1 years worth experience. I've got 9 years experience under my belt and I do not consider myself anywhere near being an expert. I'm sure many other members have much more than me (eg. mojo). Every day, I learn something new, whether it be through someone else's experience of my own.
you also contradicted yourself. You said they completely ignore other fish in the tank, yet your dad's choked on a cory cat....
Just because 90% of people do it, does that make it right? If all of your friends killed people, does that make it right for you to do?
AND the moral of the story: Buy the fish that you want. Who cares what people think?
Is that the statement of a responsible fishkeeper?? No, in my opinion it's not. If you truly loved tinfoil barbs, you'd advise people to steer clear of them if they do not have the required tank space.
slipknottin
12-02-2002, 6:07 PM
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JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 6:16 PM
Yep..its the truth....one is still alive at 15 years. Im not sure why he ate the cory... the cory was small perhaps...normally, tinfoils dont chase or pestor other fish except for very small fish. I have a few small fish left over from my first purchase and the albino TINFOILS ignore them...
crenicichla
12-02-2002, 6:38 PM
woop woop
fish popo's coming through
buh buh busted... :D
JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 6:40 PM
what does that mean?
crenicichla
12-02-2002, 6:40 PM
Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
what does that mean?
you are a pathelogical (sp?) lier
Slappy*McFish
12-02-2002, 6:42 PM
Originally posted by Anton Wernher
So how are the tar heels going to do this year? :\
lol..they look pretty good so far:D
JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 6:48 PM
Originally posted by crenicichla
you are a pathelogical (sp?) lier
Who is the Liar??? not me....
crenicichla
12-02-2002, 6:56 PM
Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Who is the Liar??? not me....
MANY beg to differ.
slipknottin
12-02-2002, 6:56 PM
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JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 7:05 PM
Nope. One died at 10. the other died because it choked on a small newly introduced cory recently. The other is still alive at 15 I think..could be older..I dont know the exacts....
Serrateeth_2002
12-02-2002, 9:12 PM
Lied about fish to get fame,so lame.Aren't those your dad's?
JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 9:14 PM
The moderators told me I cant defend Myself. So I wont. Whatever I said is the truth. and Thats all it is. If you have any honest questions about Albino Tinfoils, ask.
Serrateeth_2002
12-02-2002, 9:29 PM
JamisonBWolsh-You should learn to retreat and stand down,not everyone here likes tinfoils.
JamisonBWolsh
12-02-2002, 9:32 PM
If you have a question on this thread that deals with the topic ..then ask. Any personal Jabs at me will go straight to the moderators. all my questions I answered is the truth. Any honest questions?
TnCgal
12-02-2002, 9:40 PM
I'm getting freaking fed up with this crap. I'm going to lock this thread and any other after this in which there is anything even "resembling" name-calling or flaming. My mailbox is filled to the brim with complaints about this bickering and I'm going to have to insist that it stop now.
I would also like to add that AC supports a good, spirited debate and if you would like to "debate" a topic, go to it. That is a very good way to learn new ideas. As long as it stays above-board then we have no problem with it. But good, spirited debates do not include name-calling or belittling your opponent.
As Dale likes to say, a good debate proves yourself right, not your opponent wrong. :)