Two questions - Fish? Sand Vs gravel

tmpadmin

Once again obsessed with fish
Sep 22, 2005
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In my reading and searching through the threads here, I notice there are a lot of factors in sand vs gravel. Most come into play with saltwater if I am understanding correcly. Having only freshwater would it be okay to use sand? What kind of sand? Could I go down to Lake Erie grab a few buckets of sand/gravel/rocks wash it as suggested in another thread (hose till it runs clear, add conditioner, add to tank) - or will I never get the bad stuff out?

I was thinking that a mixed size (gravel and sand) would be best to keep the look I want and the best for plants.

Second, I've stopped going to petsmart and started visiting a local small fish shop. He said he has on order "mini freshwater stingrays". They look exactly the same but don't get big. I cannot find these anywhere on the net. Are these just babies that will grow too large for a 30gal tank or is there such a thing?
 
Saltwater uses "live sand". It has little things growing in it. For freshwater its up to you. Sand, gravel, and there's even special plant gravel available. Its up to you.

For plants I would go with some Eco Complete. Its a black mix of gravel and sand. And its great for plants.

Don't know about your fish though.
 
i've read that the mini, or "teacup" stingrays are just small young rays of any kind, and they will get bigger. other than than, don't know much about rays.

i would buy sand. the rinsing method is just to get rid of the fine dust so it doesn't cloud your water. sand from a busy lake like Erie probably has a lot pf pollutants, chemicals, and oils, not to mention bacteria and parasites that will be harmful to your fish.
 
wataugachicken: I read the same thing about the rays. But this guy said he ordered about 40 of them and the go quicly. I'll try to get the genus and species from him today.

I had the same fears you mentioned about the sand from Lake Erie but had to ask because it's the theme I'm looking to do. I will simply look for sand and gravel that can closly mimic the natural bottom of Lake Erie. On that what about rocks? Slate and such? Do you think that is safe enough?
 
Play sand from your local Home Depot or pool filter sand will be safer. Slate and other rocks can be found at your LFS. Also try a garden center. Normally their rock prices are cheaper. You should being a little bit of vinegar with you. Drop some on the rock and if it fizzes its no good. It it doesnt it should be safe.
 
if you don't want to go with the Eco-Complete, but want a black sand, Tahitian Moon is very nice. I'm not sure how much the Eco is, but Moon runs about 20 bucks a bag, more than enough for a 30g.
 
Kasakato: Thanks for the tips, I guess I have some running around to do. Not that slate is very expensive but there are many streams and I have access to some shale beaches around lake erie. I know the significant difference between shale and slate but would that pose an issue if I just grab something from "the wild"?
 
tmpadmin said:
Could I go down to Lake Erie grab a few buckets of sand/gravel/rocks wash it as suggested in another thread (hose till it runs clear, add conditioner, add to tank) - or will I never get the bad stuff out?


Isn't Dow Chemicals right there? Granted I haven't seen Lake Erie in quite a few years but .... EEEWWW!
 
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