Mixing water of diferent chemistry

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The other day, I had a low pH problem, and among the solutions I started a mild-strong water change routine and a powerful detrit cleaning.

I know ammonia, nitrite and nitrate concentration will be depleted as you pour in clean water, but a couple of hours ago, I was wondering what happens when two different pH collide. Does it go like this:

100gls ph5 + 100gls pH7 = 200 gls pH6

Or is it more complicate? I know pH is a logaritmic scale, not linear, and I think I skipped school the day the math teacher apoke about it.

Anyone can tell me how how to expect the resulting pH after a water change?

Thankx a lot in advance. Sorry for misspelling and redaction.
 
not a pH expert myself but in theory thats what should happen
 
bump
 
IT is a bit more complex due to the logarithmic scale as you mentioned, and then Kh buffering and consumption throws in some additional curves. Also if you have water with a ph of 7.0 (assuming equalized with atmospheric gases) you are adding water with a KH somewhere between .5 and 1.5dKh this is not enough to buffer well against bio-activity in the tank. So each day you do a water change and overnight the bio activity in the tank will consume Kh and the ph will most likely drop somewhat. the condition of the tank is fighting your efferts to clean things up a bit.

Without a lot more info, I hate to assume too much about your situation. so if the following thoughts don't apply, just disregard them.


Now, just in case you haven't gotten this far. test your tap water ph after it sits overnight in a shallow bowl or dish. most tap water comes out of the pipes at a different than natural Ph, and letting the gases eqalize will give you an accurate number on what you are actually dealing with.

Next thing. I don't know if the numbers you threw out were just examples, or if your Ph is actually that low, but if it is you will want to adjust it very small amunts at a time. This is a tediuos task, but the fish in the tank are acclimated to an extreme ph, and tds level, and rapid changes will cause stress.

When I have helped clean up tanks in this condition I usually do 3-4 10% water changes each day until the tank is stable with the respective tap water. I spread them out as much as I can during the day without losing sleep, so I usually have 3-4 hours between each water change. Each day it gets easier as solids levels are reduced, kh is increased, and the tank stabilizes on these issues. by doing multiple low volume changes each day, your fish have a chance to adjust to the changing conditions, but you can still change enough water each day to gain on the problems in your tank.

additional questions:
Do you have a Kh test kit?
If yes what is the tank and tap Kh level?
If no, what is the Tank and tap (after sitting out overnight) ph level
What was your previous maintenance routine (volume and frequency)?
Are you adding any Ph fixers, chemicals, etc aside from dechlorinator?
Just for some additional reference, what was the nitrate level before you started the clean-up, and what is it now?

All of these play a factor in understanding you total situation and how to best attack it. If I'm chasing wild geese, feel free to ignore me.
dave
 
Thanks for all your advice.

the numbers I used in the example where randomly used, although at a time I measured a ph of 5 (the lowest the test kit would allow, maybe it was even lower)

Mi Kh has always been around 4 degrees, but when I had that problem it was at 1 degree at best. That's when I started to read and learnt about all the factors that affect the water conditions and at the end I located the source of the problem in overstocking and overfeeding. The filter was almost clogged and the nitrification procces was producing that much acid conditions.

When I moved to a bigger tank with a better filtration, and started feeding correctly the problem weas solved.

BTW, am I doign wrong if when doing water changes, I use the water just a few moments later after pouring in the antichlorine?
 
About chemichal added, I used sometime a ph raiser, ph decreaser and a ph stabilizer. None of them worked. All the changes I made with chemichals lasted for 1 or 2 days before the ph level went nack to where it used to be.

By nitrate levels, I haven't found a test kit that allow me to measure nitrates. The one I can actually afford (Tretra's Laborett) measures Gh, Kh, Ph, NO2 and NH3.
 
Sounds like you were already ahead of my reccomendations to some extent. If your tap water Kh is 4 then simply doing more frequent maintenance should keep things stable in the future.


Big Als on-line sells nitrate test kits individually so you can buy just that test and don't need to pay for the whole master kit. It is uncommon for a nitrate test to be part of the master test kits simply because too many people in the hobby don't understand the significance of nitrate testing. Nitrate testing IMHO is about the best way to see the effect of your maintenance and monitro changing conditions in a tank.

HTH
Dave
 
Thanx a lot.
 
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