To Ban me or not to Ban me? [Archive]

NatakuTseng

11-01-2005, 3:50 PM

Here is a question from you all, as it seems many of you have been whining to OG about me, and she has in a round about way threatend to ban me if I don't start sugar coating things for those of you who can't take a blunt honest anwser. Not that I really care too much....so here's some fun....

To ban me or not to ban me? Vote, add a comment, etc. You guys know the drill.

kayla

11-01-2005, 4:03 PM

I voted no because you really know your stuff.
I will admit though sometimes you can be a little bit on the snappy side. :dance:

OrionGirl

11-01-2005, 4:13 PM

Ah, the mature approach. Vote away--it won't alter anything. Hope it gives you an ego boost.

NatakuTseng

11-01-2005, 4:16 PM

I don't expect it to change anything. Ego, nope not at all. If thats what ya choose to think then go for it OG, I don't expect to change that high and mighty mind anyway.

tomm10

11-01-2005, 4:21 PM

After reading some of your posts I would have to say that blunt is not the way I would classify some of your answers to questions. Your phrasing can be quite rude.

I will be the first to say that some posters can be very frustrating by not listening to advice, reposting questions, not giving enough information, etc. However, I see no reason why those posters can't be answered with a littled bit of tolerance. If you cannot muster the patience to be pleasant, don't respond. It will do little good to vent your frustrations on someone in a post.

As to your poll, its of little use and a bit 7th grade in my opinion so I chose not to vote.

oscar119

11-01-2005, 4:24 PM

I don't see why you need to be banned? Sure I saw a misunderstanding in a thread or two but why ban someone who is a contributing member? I'm sure there is someone else that causes more problems than you. There are some real keyboard warriors on these forums. I know that you've helped me before with a simple question and I got nothing rude from it.

IMO you can't ban someone on personality and as said above people that post here can be frustrating, especially someone who doesn't see a fish as anymore than something you can flush in a toilet. That's why I try to only use these forums for search functions and leave the rest.

mogurnda

11-01-2005, 4:26 PM

There are a lot of knowledgeable people on the various boards I frequent, and many of them are mature enough to be calm and tactful when they post. If I were new and confused, I would be more likely to stay and listen to someone who wasn't replying in an abrasive, snotty manner. Call it sugar coating if you will, some just call it being polite.

I find it interesting that you have options for the mods filtering or editing your posts, but none for you altering your style to be less abrasive. People would get the benefit of your knowledge, but not have to deal with the attitude. Just a thought.

Kasakato

11-01-2005, 4:59 PM

Your horrrribbbbllle. worse than me! That says a lot, (I think). :D

ntt

11-01-2005, 5:02 PM

u shouldnt be banned if they dont like u tell em not to read your posts

sublime1184

11-01-2005, 5:40 PM

Your horrrribbbbllle. worse than me! That says a lot, (I think). :D

It's eerie, isn't it. Like looking into the future... ;)

Emg

11-01-2005, 6:17 PM

I'm with Morgurnda.....but I see no reason to ban you........anymore than you can ban an obnoxious and rude coworker that you have to deal with in order to keep your job.

The rudeness and less than gracious replys and responses are a reflextion on the person making the rude comments...and not on the one the comment is directed at....so....fire away Nat !

ductjack

11-01-2005, 6:47 PM

What ever OR has to say,I say the same.Thank you Ductjack.

SnakeIce

11-01-2005, 6:51 PM

I am willing to learn, even about things I'm not into like rift lake cichlids. So, I read this (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57406&highlight=mixing+lakes) thread about why not to mix lakes with interest. Nat gave specific reasons which I understood and accepted.

I wasn't the one asking, but since I was in the same boat as those that didn't know I looked at the thread as one I would have made. So, Nat when you said this

"Go ahead and mix the lakes if you want, but don't advocate doing it. If you sit there and advocate this I'm sure you would be the ones to also say its fine to have Koi with Red Bellied Piranha."

I felt as If I were the one called a dumbsh*t idiot in so many words.

I sent a pm to Nat only pointing out how that comment wasn't constructive and possible constructive directions to answer with. I got no reply to my pm or aknowlegement and the thread still stands as indicated.

I don't care how you tell the truth, but that wasn't about the fishkeeping truth.

I don't care what Nat says if I'm supposedly fine with putting Koi with Red Bellied Piranha.

Ems

11-01-2005, 7:05 PM

I think a poll about whether or not to ban you is NOT a good idea.
Yes, you come across as snitty in some of your posts, but you are not the only one.
You are very knowledgeable and help a lot of people. Like I said, there are others, MANY others, that come across the same way.

daveedka

11-01-2005, 7:25 PM

Well Nat, Now you've gone and really mucked things up.

I for one have always recognized your knowledge and intellegence here on the boards but at the same time have thought you were far too immature and obnoxious in your methods.
The knowledge that you have shared outweighed the rudeness that you exibit in most cases but that is not justification for being obnoxious.
Now that your obnoxious juvenile behavior seems to be outweighing your ability to share information and help others I honestly think you should do the right thing and just go away so no one has to ban you. Then when you sort out your attitude and mature a bit you could come back and be helpful again. It is in my mind a shame to see someone who has knowledge and experience be so obnoxious with others trying to learn and share their knowledge.
I certainly have no personal beef with you, and had you not raised the question, I would not be pondering whether or not you need to be banned.

Now that you have raised the question I would say Yes given your posts over the last couple of months you should be removed. Previous to that my vote would have fallen the other way. Whether or not you are banned, is irrellevant, the fact that you could do more good than you ever have if you would just be a little bit more considerate of others is not irrellevant.

The question I have is why don't you want to be helpful without attacking people virtually every time you post. And that is one you should answer for yourself.

Good luck with your popularity contest, and hopefully we'll see you around the boards helping folks out now and then. Without being rude and obnoxious.
dave

Leopardess

11-01-2005, 8:04 PM

I'm not voting because I see no point.

However, I'd like to just mention that the only connection that I have personally seen with you and being banned or being a troll has come from you directly (maybe I missed something). I don't think I've seen anyone call you a troll in a thread...or say "Ban Nataku."

That said, I do think you've been unreasonably snippety lately and I remember a time when you were very pleasant to talk to. Let's get the original guy back, huh.

nursie

11-01-2005, 8:16 PM

Well, NT, what are you up to?
I'm looking for an option that says stay around but you're scaring the rabbits... :sim:

I started talking to you about discus back in June. Something has changed. Maybe you have some issues that need work, but you don't come across the same as you used it. You are way more sarcastic and arugmentative than you used to be. If you need help, get it, you have too much good to contribute.

If this pi**es you off, sorry, but that's how I see it. You did bring the subject up.

TheMightyQueenPixie

11-01-2005, 8:23 PM

Perhaps my skin is thicker then most...I have never found Nataku rude...Sometimes things get lost in the "translation" of the Net...Things being taken seriously, when perhaps it was not intended. Hence the reason why LOL, was invented I guess....
If I dont like someone, I just avoid them...There is an "ignore" feature.

pbrack

11-01-2005, 8:34 PM

IMO,
information is information, knowledge is knowledge. I wouldn't stop reading these posts just because some guy was rude and obnoxious. The simple fact is that NT has been giving out good info, and someday (hopefully soon) I hope I can set up my own Discus tank, and I know I'll look through a lot of information that he has given!

With that being said, sure he could be a bit nicer, but I'd rather have correct info from someone that's rough around the edges, than getting the wrong info from a gentle, caring, loving human being :Angel:

dougall

11-01-2005, 8:53 PM

where's the 'tuck up your string and act like a man' option ?

geez.. such a drama queen.

Leopardess

11-01-2005, 8:55 PM

where's the 'tuck up your string and act like a man' option ?

Okay, I don't know why, but I found that really quite funny. Sexist as it is;). I think I've been working too much. I'm off to take a nice relaxing shower LOL.

Chill

11-01-2005, 9:13 PM

Man I found the idea of posting a poll to ban yourself as brilliantly funny, but perhaps I'm in the minority. I think the high and might comments back and forth between yourself and certain mods to be very much a case of kettle and pot. Little bit of blame on both sides I think.

I don't think its funny that your ego clashes could lead to tragic results. You have much to offer here it would be a shame to see a parting of the ways. Try to dial in the attitude a notch - not all the way that would be boring and fake. I'm pretty sure advice like that inspires an opposite reaction, people call you rude and the ego says let's really show em rude. Hey I can relate to that, been guilty of it myself at times.

I didn't vote by the way. I don't want to see you leave but love is such a strong word.

dougall

11-01-2005, 9:20 PM

Okay, I don't know why, but I found that really quite funny. Sexist as it is;). I think I've been working too much. I'm off to take a nice relaxing shower LOL.

It was posted for the humour, not the sexism..

But if anyone took offence, I'm sorry.. really I am.

Leopardess

11-01-2005, 9:40 PM

No dougall... I really did find it funny! The sexism comment was an afterthought. I spent the day discussing feminist theory pertaining to the treatment of women in "The Yellow Wallpaper." :(

It seriously made me laugh. No worries.

reiverix

11-01-2005, 9:53 PM

Doesn't the fact you felt the need to create this poll show that at least you know something is not quite right in your posting style? You are a goldmine of information but it's sad to see your negative responses. I'd rather not see you go though. Just grit yer teeth and be nice.

dougall

11-01-2005, 9:54 PM

No.. the whole point was that NT is acting like a big girl's blouse..

and yes, that's inherantly sexist..

FreddytheFish

11-01-2005, 10:13 PM

I think that you should stay, I mean you could be a bit nicer(i don't really mind, but other people do) but I think you give good info.

nursie

11-01-2005, 10:42 PM

man, Doug..you are going to have to post an english humor guide...

H3D

11-02-2005, 12:49 AM

NatakuTseng has something that most others on this forum lack...a personality.

nursie

11-02-2005, 8:13 AM

Puffernewbee

11-02-2005, 8:31 AM

You could be less abrasive. I myself can be that way and am more that willing to offer my opinion even to those who could care less (as in I think this case). BUT, I control myself in a public forum. It is called self control. You are very knowledgable about what you do and have alot to offer those that are new to the hobby and also to those that are not.
I just think that you need to save the abrasive comments for those that know you well and will treat it with a grain of salt. As far as those who are new and are not familiar with your pesonality, cut them a little slack. They are here to learn and positive criticism or opinion will make them see Aquaria Central as a great resourse that they need to further themselves along.
I will not vote because all options, as OG said, stroke your ego.

Cheech

11-02-2005, 9:02 AM

- There are, on average, 259 raisins in a box of Raisin Bran and 388 in a box of Premium Raisin Bran.

Dangerdoll

11-02-2005, 9:42 AM

why is it that I totally understand that, cheech? ;)

Cheech

11-02-2005, 9:45 AM

why is it that I totally understand that, cheech? ;)

I just thought I'd contribute some useless information to go well with this useless thread. ;)

Dangerdoll

11-02-2005, 9:50 AM

good point well made ;)

Corax

11-02-2005, 10:51 AM

On the thing about mixing the lakes and mixing Koi/Red Bellies... I actually agree with NT.. The lakes are worlds apart chemically and the inhabitants don't belong together anymore than Koi belong with Red Bellies. Anyone advocating mixing them is an idiot.. Being a guy that quite often ruffled the collective feathers of the AC holy-rollers myself, I sympathize with NT's case. Sure, he might not be the sugar cube in the coffee of AC, but at least he does add some flavor.

mvigor

11-02-2005, 11:14 AM

I sympathize with NT's case. Sure, he might not be the sugar cube in the coffee of AC, but at least he does add some flavor.

Ammonia is a flavor too. :dance2:

Corax

11-02-2005, 11:29 AM

Exactly, and we all know that without the first turd to produce the ammonia, the cycle is broken.

FisheyLisa

11-02-2005, 11:46 AM

I just thought I'd contribute some useless information to go well with this useless thread. ;)

And I thought that was all deep and symbolic.

Corax

11-02-2005, 11:53 AM

I was thinking he was suggesting that NT needs more fiber in his diet, to help with, well, you know...

DeVitaf

11-02-2005, 12:26 PM

Exactly, and we all know that without the first turd to produce the ammonia, the cycle is broken.

LMAO...

awesome

Triggerman

11-02-2005, 3:25 PM

Well
Read some posts and the knowledge seems a fair trade off for the sarcasm.
I'm guessing Nataku is in his teens.
The older you get the more you realize that you don't know everything.

daveedka

11-02-2005, 4:18 PM

I'm guessing Nataku is in his teens.
The older you get the more you realize that you don't know everything.
I think that is part of the problem, He acts as if he's young and immature (this thread is the perfect example) but If I'm not mistaken he is beyond the teen years. Additionally most of our resident teens act their age on occasion, but not each and every time they post something. Trying to find a thread where Nat doesn't come across as rude at some point. those threads are few and far between if they exist at all. The knowledge is valuable, but he does not have a monopoly on that knowledge. So if we can find the knowledge elsewhere and not have the obnoxious personality to deal with why keep the negative. I still say Nat could fix the whole situation if he was so inclined, and that would be the best solution.
The fact that he is not inclined to stop the behavior is enough cause in my mind to take action and remove him. I don't think there is really any doubt in anyones mind that Nat is obnoxious.
dave

tomm10

11-02-2005, 4:26 PM

The fact that he is not inclined to stop the behavior is enough cause in my mind to take action and remove him.

I have to respectfully disagree with you, Dave. While I agree that Nat could certainly stand to be more tolerant and pleasant in his posts, I don't believe that having a crusty attitude when posting should, alone, be reason to ban a member.

Nat does provide useful information and that is an asset. The delivery of that information is certainly less than polite in some cases but it is useful nontheless. If the information were bad or nonexistant, I would certainly sing a different tune.

T

sumthin fishy

11-02-2005, 4:30 PM

Trying to find a diamond in a ton of hose manure is not worth most peoples time. Though the information is very good, the attitude will lead newcomers, experienced or not, to other sites, thinking AC is a safehouse for the rude. I wouldn't want to see the knowledge pool here reduced by any means, but a bit of an attitude check would be appreciated. Nat, if a poster pisses you off that much, just don't respond. I have never had any issues with you personally, and have not found your attitude towards me to be offensive at all. But have more than once tried to difuse a thread that was getting nasty due to a bad attitude on your part. What's the saying, about honey and vinegar? Something to do with fry? Or was it flies? ;)

DeVitaf

11-02-2005, 4:40 PM

Enough Discussion!

BANNNN!!!!

That dangerdoll has been acting a little squirrelly lately as well... Becareful lady! Your on double super secret troll probation! :duh:

Dangerdoll

11-02-2005, 5:33 PM

ewwwww..... I knew I would be found out sooner or later..... it's the name, isn't it ;), DeV... how is it that you are so on the ball :D

daveedka

11-02-2005, 5:46 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with you, Dave. While I agree that Nat could certainly stand to be more tolerant and pleasant in his posts, I don't believe that having a crusty attitude when posting should, alone, be reason to ban a member.

Point taken and as written I fully agree,

I think my point was missed a bit though. My point was basically, When Nat was asked privately to be a little kinder, or even publicly to back off it spawned threads like this one, With most people it would have spawned a desire to shape up a bit. There are plenty of crusty and grumpy folks around here that don't offend most of the time, and when they cross the line and are cautioned they back off a bit. NAt rides the line all of the time, but when he's cautioned he jumps over it with both feet and doubles up his fists. That will basically get him punched sooner or later.
Nat seems to think that the entire problem is everyone but him, and seems to have no intention or desire shape up at all. His knowledge and intellegence are evident, his experience is valuable especially when combined with knowledge and intellegence. Basically since the behavior is beyond acceptable, and he obviously has no desire to change his behavior, then there is no need for anyone to continue givng him opportunity to shape up. So In my mind the math is simple, he knows what is expected, he feels he doesn't need to adhere to those expectations, and no amount of reasoning with him will change that. That adds up to ban time in every case I'm aware of. If starting right now Nat would even attempt to shape up a bit, then he would deserve some leeway. I am not a fan of banning anyone, those who get banned do it to themselves. I still wish he'd just do the right thing in any of the many ways available to him and remove this question entirely.
dave

OrionGirl

11-02-2005, 6:10 PM

Here's my opinion on the concept this thread represents, without being specific.

First, I never expect everyone to like me. I seldom go out of my way to be abrasive, and most of the time that means I refrain from commenting if I know I won't be able to do so politely. Sarcasm and irony are fun, but not always appropriate. Many moons before I became a moderator, I replied to a thread from someone wanting to know if they could add another fish to their already packed tank with something along the lines "Only if you use a shoe horn." Then I had to explain what that meant, and so the fun of sarcasm on the net bit the dust. But, I still do not expect everyone to like me, it's just not reasonable.

Second, the goal should never be to have everyone dislike you, either. If you're hanging around with a group of people, and none of them like you, you're either masochistic, or dumb. I prefer letting people pick one of those labels themselves. If enough of the group make it painfully obvious that your presence is not one they cherish, part ways. Peacefully. There are always other ponds to play in.

Third, if you think that the majority of the threads you read are worth swearing at, or cussing out some anonymous electronic presence, take a break. Smell some flowers. Take a mutt from the local shelter for a walk. Realize that this is a website, and if coming here doesn't give you pleasure and satisfaction, you need to stop coming in. It's just that simple. It starts at the top and goes all the way down to the very newest member. If responding to posts is a bigger headache than help, let it go.

And finally--if you start thinking that everyone around you is a jerk--you may need to make sure you're not surrounded by mirrors. Most of the times that I felt everyone around me was being a jerk, I discovered that I was being a jerk too, and others just reflected my attitude back at me.

Leopardess

11-02-2005, 7:10 PM

Not that I see this as at all relevant, but NT is young (comparatively speaking)...19 or so?

OG, I like your last paragraph. Not just in relation to this thread (which has certainly by now served whatever meager purpose it had), but in general. :)

As for the secondary ban motion of Dangerdoll, I say let her stay. Those pants scare the trolls away! Heh. That rhymed.

Galaxie

11-02-2005, 7:26 PM

I think an "ignore" feature would be nice. That way if someone does not care for someone else's attitude, anything they post just comes up as white background. Its easy enough to implement in a chat environment, but maybe not so easy in forums like these. I'm not familiar enough with Nat to pass judgement, nor do I enjoy being judgemental. But, as OrionGirl stated, if you have to ask if people want you around, maybe you already have your answer.

OG, your last post was very good.

As for the poll, seems like someone digging for attention who couldn't care either way the results, so I didn't vote.

Kasakato

11-02-2005, 8:04 PM

LittlePuff

11-02-2005, 8:52 PM

I, personally come here for information and to help other. I can be sarcastic, and I have a sense of humor that is a bit odd. I been accused if saying it like I see it and not sugar-coating things. I don't remember being offended by anyone's posts here.

Kim

Jaydog985

11-02-2005, 9:07 PM

I am new to the forums, I joined AC for its other excellent features, but recently started to realize something about it. There is a lot of excellent information here, but there are also a few people using it for an ego trip. I don't pretend to know everything..... just enough to keep my fish thriving, but from what I've seen lately its been nothing more than petty arguing, popularity contests. I've learned much in a short time, but this isn't helping anyone. If people want to act like this, then argue through PM, the rest of us don't need it. And if I offended people, I apologize, but I'm sure that I'm not the only one that feels this way.

slipknottin

11-02-2005, 9:30 PM

Decz

11-03-2005, 12:25 AM

Heh, well its a good thing mods dont base their actions on user created polls now, isnt it, NT.

And I personally disagree with allowing this type of thread to even exist. But I will not step on others toes who do not mind.

Thank you for not shutting this thread down. The purpose of this thread is not at all pleasing to me, but the outcome is. By allowing people to respond to this thread, it is possibly rectifying the situation for any AC newbies (or oldies) that may have initially been scared off by some of the crusty, abrasive & rude comments that have become more and more common around here lately. It's all too common in this world that we forget to focus on the good in people. That being said I would like to say that I find it refreshing to see so many intelligent people stepping up to the plate making every attempt to keep this place friendly and welcoming. The unintentional outcome of this thread has strongly represented AC in such a positive way. You've certainly made me want to come back and read more.

Celeste

11-03-2005, 3:01 AM

i'm new here, so i don't know what the problem has been with the original poster. i've been banned from my fair share of forums, sometimes it was warrented, sometimes it was a completely lame reason.

what i dont get is the point of this thread? are you trying to cause conflict? start an argument? are you trying to boost your ego? it seems like a waste of space to me.

tomm10

11-03-2005, 8:48 AM

I think an "ignore" feature would be nice.

To be honest, I think this might go a long way to solving some issues. Someone like Nat who gives good information wrapped in sarcasm could, indeed, rub some people the wrong way. I think the simplest and most appropriate solution is for those people to ignore his posts, either manually or with the use of the ignore feature.

Maybe the ignore feature could be better publicized as a sticky or something so that new posters would be more aware of their ability to filter posters that upset them.

BTW, this thread is far more polite and constructive that I imagined it would be. Nice to see.

greeneyedlady

11-03-2005, 9:17 AM

Who are you again????????

Chill

11-03-2005, 9:41 AM

59 posts and counting.

Whether you love him or you hate him, whether you think this is a stupid thread or not, he's sure given everyone something to talk about. Reminds me of wrestling - everybody loves a heel.

Nat I hate to inflate your ego any further, but it might be time for a Ric Flair wooooo!

"Whether ya like it or ya don't like it, learn to love it, because its the best thing going. Wooooo!" - Ric Flair

Corax

11-03-2005, 10:08 AM

Looks like you lost NT.. Even *I* wasn't dumb enough to make this kind of poll back in the day lol

Slip, looks like the tribe has spoken. Drop the hammer!

sumthin fishy

11-03-2005, 10:37 AM

I don't think Slip will (or should) do it. Well at least not due to this thread. Another thread NT posted proved that the oppinions of the members do not outweigh those of the administration. I am in no way saying our oppinions do not matter, just that the admins have the final say. (thats a good thing folks). From the same thread mentioned above

And I apologize for my somewhat cynical posting habit, Im used to moderating a different type of forum, where the posts were much more aggressive and nasty. Its hard to relax and enjoy sometimes. Ive been working on it, though its fairly obvious I still have a way to go.
Appology more than accepted. I think now it is apparent that he has come a long way, in a short time too. Thank you Slip, for keeping your word.

Harlock

11-03-2005, 11:05 AM

You know, constantly thumbing your nose at the mods, just because they are doing their job and trying to keep the peace and uphold the user agreement not only shows a lack of maturity, but is just plain ill-advised.

It is very obvious you have little respect for anyone except yourself. Why not try a different approach? Why not try more subtle sarcasm and satire in your posts? I get as frustrated as anyone with what I find are stupid questions, but people really do come here for help and ask advice, so, they're already on the right path. A post dripping with sarcasm and disdain as well as good advice is more likely to be ignored than one with just the good advice. So, your attitude could actually be hurting people who were honestly seeking help rather than helping them enjoy the hobby more. And for what? A little self gratification in some snide remark.

If you feel so compelled as to make this poll, if you feel so opressed and stifled by the mods here, do us a favor and just go somewhere else already instead of posting more useless crap about how mean those awful mods are to you. Thanks.

Triggerman

11-03-2005, 1:08 PM

There are twenty people viewing at the moment.
No wonder traffic slows down.

phoenix

11-03-2005, 2:58 PM

Looks like you lost NT.. Even *I* wasn't dumb enough to make this kind of poll back in the day lol

Slip, looks like the tribe has spoken. Drop the hammer!

So how exactly did he lose? As far as the poll goes there has not been a majority in favor of banning him.

Intermision

11-03-2005, 3:27 PM

So how exactly did he lose? As far as the poll goes there has not been a majority in favor of banning him.
There's not a majoriy, but there is a pluality.

phoenix

11-03-2005, 3:32 PM

I don't think there is a plurality either... but I see it as yes or no, with the last three options as no.

Intermision

11-03-2005, 3:34 PM

I don't think there is a plurality either... but I see it as yes or no, with the last three options as no.
Oh I see what you;re saying.

Corax

11-04-2005, 10:33 AM

As of the time of this post, the poll stands as such......

Yes, You need to be banned, you scare the rabbits 22 42.31%
No, we love ya and want ya to stay, sortive 21 40.38%
You just need the mods editing every post 5 9.62%
You should have to get approval from the mods on high before you post 4 7.69%

Now, once a member reaches a state where there posts have to be moderated before the general public can see them, it's time to drop that member. I see that as a vote saying "goodbye"... Furthermore, if a mod has to edit all of a user's posts, once again, it is time to say, "goodbye"..

So, the correct vote would be.......

Ban - 31
Not-Ban - 21

I think the idea of voting on a ban is assinine, but I wasn't the one that brought it up. He made this thread, thinking the members here would rally to his side and stand against the evil tyrant named Onion. Well, I'm happy to inform him that Onion is probably the single greatest asset this board has ever offered the fishkeeping public. A lot of people thought I knew what I was talking about back when I posted here, but she always managed to awe me with the size of her brain. She also has a good feel for the mod thing, and very seldom makes a mistake. If I'd listened to her a bit, I'd still be modding here instead of in my self-imposed exile. Onion is, as we say around here, good people. And if she says this guy is a bad egg, I'm gonna believe her.

kayla

11-04-2005, 12:11 PM

Where's NT? :huh:
I'm actually sort of suprised he hasn't said anything yet...... :argue:

PumaWard

11-04-2005, 12:51 PM

He's taking a 'vacation.'

Corax

11-04-2005, 1:38 PM

He's probably off somewhere feeding hamburger meat to his fish.. (That isn't a joke, search for "hamburger" and read his opinions on it.. Scarey stuff!)

sumthin fishy

11-04-2005, 1:43 PM

Corax, I understand the frustration, but two wrongs don't make a right. Perhaps he has found this poll useful, and will (hopefully) return when he is able to show some tollerance. then we can allhttp://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/travesmilies/valentinesday/smilie_liebe5.gifand make up.

Corax

11-04-2005, 2:14 PM

Sorry, but that "kinder, gentler" hippy crap doesn't work for me. Maybe he'll end up in exile like me, just popping in a few times a year to drop annoying little turds of wisdom on the place then vanishing while people wonder WTF I was talking about..

Chill

11-04-2005, 2:42 PM

Perhaps he is loading his rifle and scaling the watchtower

125gJoe

11-04-2005, 4:47 PM

I don't expect it to change anything. ... If thats what ya choose to think then go for it OG, I don't expect to change that high and mighty mind anyway.
(..by the way, that quote was from page one. )

It's not what she chooses to think, but rather what really comes across on this Forum. To think this Thread went as far as it has is more than enough "benefit of the doubt" opportunity...

How does the expression go? --Puh Leeze-- !

fish_breeder_05

01-08-2006, 1:05 AM

Natsu plovides good info. I consider his insults a form of annoying cleverness. Natsu is a very valued member. are you kidding me. there is a new banned poll every day. let 'em contribute. The only one I didn't realy care for is the one with the south park avatar (not ple*o), uncle !@#$%^(you know what it is). Don't bann the best discus keepper we got. dang, are you working on my bann?? (seriously)