should I get a male or female gold ram?

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I have a really small female german blue ram a little over an inch. And I want to get a gold ram that is about 2 inch. Should I get a male or female? I want them to get along that's all. I also have two dwarf gourami's and some white clouds, and cory's in the tank. Oh yeah and some otto's.
 
i might lean toward a male, only because two females might compete for territory.

make sure there are some rocks or caves on the bottom, or neither will ever feel comfortable. if you do get another female, make SURE they both have a cave choices at opposite ends of the tank. but they will not necessarily choose the spot you want them to live.

i like to make caves with rocks... just make sure they are sturdy enough as to not shift and break the glass.

rams like the bottom

how big is your tank?
 
it's a 29. I got a male (I think) last night, and it was doing fine with everybody, but it didn't survive the night. I don't know what happened. my blue ram is fine inmy tank, and I acclimated the gold for an hour adding water every 15 min. Nobody picked on him that I know of. It just died.
Also, how do you sex gold rams? just by there dorsal fins?
Thanks
 
Id trade in the others and make a species tank of Blue Rams...You really dont want a male and a female of two different colour morphs...If they breed, you will be stuck with the fry which will be basically unsellable...Cichlids are really best enjoyed in a species tank...Only then can you see their interesting behavious and rituals...
 
i am not that familiar with gold rams, and my comments here are from my experience with true (german blue) rams, but i dont see what they shouldn't apply

the third spine on a male mature ram will be elongated...

but the more reliable method IMO is looking at the top of the tail end of the dorsal fin. its more pointed on a male and rounded on a female. its not that obvious unless you have both to make a comparison, and is often not pronounced on younger fish. really it just takes a trained eye. as with most things in life, theres no substitute for experience.

search 'apistogamma' on a good search engine for more complete information

if you come across a hit containing 'Z Man', there's a better source than me

i wouldn't rule out a territory battle though. rams are tough little suckers, and the established one would have a distinct advantage due to stress caused by a change of conditions.

rams tend to be rather finicky to pH and water hardness, but if you have a healthy one, beats me? maybe go back to the store where you got that one and inquire if they are of the same source.

on acclimating.. i have a tip..... instead of actively adding water, after enough time to equilize the temp, poke a VERY small hole in the bag. make it a little larger in a half hour or so, and so on and so on. this is how i acclimate all my new additions. sometimes i take 6 hours if i'm particularly concerned, and eventually let the fish find their own way out. sometimes this helps in other ways too, like letting other fish get used to the idea

oh yea, rearrange the tank on addition too... helps equalize the terratory thing

other than that, i'm afraid i can be of little more help, other than sympathy. i went through a phase of mysterious ram losses, and am still at a loss

this may seem cocky, but reread this a couple of times. i often miss stuff when i read.

hope this helps you.

good luck

eric

edit: brain fart.... rams are genus Microgeophagus, not Apistogamma
 
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a fine suggestion, Queenie... i though of that, but....

i was busy typin on my high horse

hehe
 
Thanks indiginess, I took the body back to the lfs and some water, and found out that I have a little bit of ammonia in my water. I bought some of the white filter media for ammonia and am running it tonight and then going to retest tomorrow and possibly get a replacement. I like the hole idea but I don't like the idea of getting lfs water mixed with mine. But I have to say that the store I'm dealing with right now seems to have pretty good tank. I hope that the next one does better, and I'll probably spend a lot more time acclimating it this time.
 
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