Pale fish w/ dark speckles on face. Dying

tmpadmin

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Yesterday I had to fish out my red tail shark that seemed healthy the day before. Today one of my tetras is showing similar symptoms.

The shark almost turned white (well light gray) and was just looking for places to hide, every once in a while it was start to float but catch itself and swim back down. After that, I upped the temperature did an emergency 50%ish water change and added more salt... My tetra is loosing color quickly and I can see some black discoloration on its head. Oh, when the shark died its eye (only one) was protruding, but not both, and was not that way until after... The tetra seems to have normal eyes.

Sorry for being choppy, I am trying to get everything.

Levels are as they have been for months. To be honest the only thing is I have not added anything in over a month, just a water change or two. I did notice some brown (maybe black even) algae now growing.

Other signs are disorientation and nose down swimming (if it does swim).

I tried to identify this on "that other site" but nothing seem to match up. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Ick or Swim-bladder injury, one of my sharks turned a diff color but nothings wrong with it
 
What size is your tank? Is it cycled? What are your water parameters? How long have you had these fish?
 
. . .To be honest the only thing is I have not added anything in over a month, just a water change or two.

This sentence is rather disturbing. We really need to know exactly what your water parameters are: ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH. Please use a liquid test kit, not strips. Strips are notoriously inaccurate.

How big is the tank and how long have you had it running?

The water really should be changed at least once a week, and most do quantities of 25%. Some do 50%. Doing a water change only once or twice a month is not enough to keep your fish healthy.

Once we have your numbers, we can give you some advice.

Roan
 
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First, thanks for the help!!!

10 gal
PH: 7.8 - I can't seem to get this lower.
Ammonia: between 0 and 0.25
Nitrite: 0
nitrate: about 3-5
I have a liquid test and test before every water change.

I cycled this tank over the summer and since stocked modistly. I do water changes about every 1.5 weeks. No, not every week but more than twice a month. Lately (past 3ish months) everything has been fine. I did have an early fight with ick but clearned that up late summer.

This morning I noticed the tetra has a bit of a red eye. One thing I do remember changing is the time I feed them. Instead of 5pm I switched to 7-8am feedings. Could this be enough stress for the little guys?

These fish have been with the tank since or shortly after the cycle ended, I'd say about five months? Maybe more.

Sorry I was searching the forums here and found someone else with a link to a good site that has photos of illnesses. I don't remember.

"...and since stocked modistly."
2 tetras - one in question
3 neons
1 red tail shark - gone :(
1 "stingray" pleco
1 apple snail - small
30-40 mini snails - my wife likes them.
 
your ph is up there, do you have live plants? I was told that a couple could help with that, I am not sure on this however, I have several live plants and my ph stays normal, Feeding at a diffrent time shouldnt cause speckles on the face,
 
tmpadmin said:
First, thanks for the help!!!
Always welcome :)

10 gal
PH: 7.8 - I can't seem to get this lower.
Why do you want to lower it? It's fine. Are you adding chemicals to try to lower it?

Ammonia: between 0 and 0.25
Nitrite: 0
nitrate: about 3-5
I have a liquid test and test before every water change.
The ammonia is a cause for concern. Any ammonia or nitrites above 0 should tell you that something isn't right. This, in part, could attribute to your tetra's eye problem. I would suggest you do a water change asap and then get back on a regular regime of 25% water changes weekly.


2 tetras - one in question
3 neons
1 red tail shark - gone :(
1 "stingray" pleco
1 apple snail - small
30-40 mini snails - my wife likes them.
What kind of tetras and what neons are these? Are they neon tetras? Neon rainbows?

Plecos generate a lot of waste and I wouldn't put a pleco, regardless of it's projected max size, in a 10 gallon tank.

I know you feel the tank is modestly stocked, but with the pleco and all those snails -- and even not knowing what those other two are -- I think you may be overstocked for 10 gallons.

The red tail shark -- is gone with a sad face -- I assume he died? He's not suitable for 10 gallons at all.

I'll know more about what's wrong once I find out what kinds of fish those are.

Roan
 
NorthStar said:
your ph is up there, do you have live plants? I was told that a couple could help with that, I am not sure on this however, I have several live plants and my ph stays normal, Feeding at a diffrent time shouldnt cause speckles on the face,
A pH of 7.8 is fine and is quite normal. There is no need to lower the pH.

Roan
 
I have one lily plant. I do not add any chemicals except water conditioner after a water change, and salt.

As far as the ammonia being high, I tend to over estimate since the scale is a big jump from 0 - .25. The color is not exactly pale yellow but it is far from the .25 mark. Since the shark left, I changed the water that day, and will change again today (about 50% each change). That is every two days.

My wife got the tetras and I do not remember the exact name. They are deep orange with a black spot by the fins, black tail.

The neons are the standard neons, neon tetras I believe.

Roan Art: I am not disagreeing with anything you say, but years ago, I had a red tail shark in a 10 gal for about 6 years, then upped to a 29 for the remaining 4ish years he lived. Guess I got lucky with that one. The pleco is not even an inch long at this point, again you are far more knowledgeable then I with the waste it produces.

“and even not knowing what those other two are” I’m not following this statement. The tetras?

Thanks again.
 
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