Dyeing on fish

[PinkBloodParrot]

Fish are good as the way they are, and should not be modified as people want. For example blood parrot, they already have beautiful variety of natural color - red-pink(like in my avatar), orange-yellow, and grey( striped or marked like flower horn). Why would those people wanted some other color to be on them?
I have no idea what they have done to many goldfish, some of them are having a huge eyes, and some of them have weird shaped head that cover their eyes and they cant even see. Blood parrot are hybrid too, but they are not as bad as those goldfish are, like the blood parrot in my avatar, does it seems weird to anyone here?
Anyone here agrees that dyeing on fish should be stopped?

[~*LuvMyKribs*~]

I think its pretty much agreed upon by serious aquatic hobbyests and 'purists' that hybridizing fish is wrong. But like you said- its to varying degrees. Personally I do not like hybrids, I prefer to keep things the way nature intended. That means every hybrid out there, including BP's, just dont do it for me. Some people will go so far as to kill any hybrids in thier tank... for me, I feel they are not any less of a life, but I do take precaution so it doesnt happen in the first place. And if it does, the fry get left in the main tank to let 'nature' take its course.

In most cases hybridizing fish doesnt produce ugly mutants which have problems living, and thus the fish is not suffering from being a hybrid (again, in most cases). However dying fish is a completely different matter because the fish ARE suffering, and its just going too far. It really groses me out.

Its a hotly debated topic and there are many degrees of opinions, and a lot of people dont like to talk about it simply because how upset some can get.

:)
-Diana

[PinkBloodParrot]

Well, what I think is that people should not kill them, either give it back to the lfs or give it as a gift to your realation, Im sure there is someone who will take them. Killing them means that they are not true fish hobbyest, they still have the feeling of killing their fish even though they love them, even though they are hybrid - they are still a fish. Since blood parrot already exist in the world, lets give them our love. For example, a parents had a baby, and the baby is handicap, which ofcourse the parents will still give them love. So is parrot fish, they are just innocent living thing that doesn't harm anyone. If someone is not really not into them, then they should ignore them rather than killing them. :)

[PinkBloodParrot]

Dyeing is different thing, even dyeing can be done on a fish that is not hybrid, and should be stopped. Everyone hate dyed fish, that include me. I found out that my 2 bp are dyed once I heard that blue colored bp are dyed, what can I do? I love fish, so I just treat it as perfect as I could to make it live happily in the world. Until now they are still alive, its been 3 and a half year.

[themadblimper]

About %90 of dyed fish die from the process, and the dyeing only lasts about three months. And it is also extremely painfull to those fish. I dont see ANY logic in that.
We can all agree that it is a terrible thing, and the only thing we can do is demand "unpainted" fish, and boycott "painted" ones.

[Clurin]

Well, what I think is that people should not kill them, either give it back to the lfs or give it as a gift to your realation, Im sure there is someone who will take them.

The problem with this is that many hybrids don't necessarily look like hybrids. If you know they are because they were born in your tank, giving them away is a very bad thing. Even if you tell the people you give them to that the fish is a hybrid, they may not care, and could breed it, or give that fish to someone else without giving them this knowledge. What ends up happening is a polluted gene pool as these fish get released back into the "mainstream" and breed with other fish.

THIS is the reason most people dislike hybrids. The freakish mutations are actually somewhat good - you can immediately tell that the fish is not a pure strain.

[PinkBloodParrot]

The problem with this is that many hybrids don't necessarily look like hybrids. If you know they are because they were born in your tank, giving them away is a very bad thing. Even if you tell the people you give them to that the fish is a hybrid, they may not care, and could breed it, or give that fish to someone else without giving them this knowledge. What ends up happening is a polluted gene pool as these fish get released back into the "mainstream" and breed with other fish.

THIS is the reason most people dislike hybrids. The freakish mutations are actually somewhat good - you can immediately tell that the fish is not a pure strain.

So you are saying they should ended up being killed, rather than given away to others? I definetly raise them till they rest in peace, rather than giving it away or killing it(which ofcourse I'll never do that).
But you know something, fish will not survive in place where they are not native, so for example; someone dont like his hybrid fish and release it to the wild lake or river, with no doubt they will die for sure, unless they are native on that place. No hybrid are native as we all know, unless the fish in the wild cross breed each other. So I think there are no big chance of freaky mutation in the wild. P.S male blood parrot are sterile.
The only thing I want people to stop is to stop dyeing fish! Agree, Agree.

[~*LuvMyKribs*~]

So you are saying they should ended up being killed, rather than given away to others? I definetly raise them till they rest in peace, rather than giving it away or killing it(which ofcourse I'll never do that).
But you know something, fish will not survive in place where they are not native, so for example; someone dont like his hybrid fish and release it to the wild lake or river, with no doubt they will die for sure, unless they are native on that place.

I could not disagree more.... there is a HUGE problem in Flordia right now with non-native fish that have been introduced from the aquarium trade into lakes and rivers... and they are distroying the native fish population. SO, releasing captive raised fish (unless they are native species bred intentionally for release) is very very bad. Even in cooler climates, a hardy tropical fish can survive. Hybrid or no hybrid, in this case it doesnt matter.

Naturally I do not believe wild populations of fish will hybridize unless under very rare circumstances. There is a hybrid population of gibbons and siamangs out there (a 'lesser ape'), and they dont even have a species name yet. But these guys inter-bred without human interference, so hybrization in the wild is definately possible, be it rare.

I dont nessecarily agree with killing hybrids, but I think responsible fish keepers should do everything in thier power to help prevent hybridization, and if it does happen then dont raise the fry, simply let nature take its course.

-Diana

[nursie]

I would not advocate someone that has a hybred fish killing it..care for it as you should, just don't get more. Giving it away doesn't change anything..nor killing it once you have it.

The thing to do is not to buy more and educate people as why not to get them in the first place.
Same goes for dyed fish..don't buy them. Unfortunately all of us agreeing here whon't change anything. As long as there is a market, they will make them.

[fish_breeder_05]

I'm with pinkbloodparrot on this. every last thing said exept about the sterile male thing. a few have leaved into to marcket and the people who buy them don't even no it until they see eggs, at that point it wouldn't matterto the owner untl they start to darken... :rolleyes:

[~*LuvMyKribs*~]

I'm with pinkbloodparrot on this.

Now is that such a shocker? ;)

I cant believe anyone would condone releasing a hybrid and/or captive fish into the wild. That is one of the worst things aquarium keepers could do. Let alone because you think they will just die anyways, which is killing the fish, which is against what you said in the first place. :thud:


Gah I told myself I wouldnt reply to this thread. :coffee2:

-Diana

[Clurin]

So you are saying they should ended up being killed, rather than given away to others? I definetly raise them till they rest in peace, rather than giving it away or killing it(which ofcourse I'll never do that).
But you know something, fish will not survive in place where they are not native, so for example; someone dont like his hybrid fish and release it to the wild lake or river, with no doubt they will die for sure, unless they are native on that place. No hybrid are native as we all know, unless the fish in the wild cross breed each other. So I think there are no big chance of freaky mutation in the wild. P.S male blood parrot are sterile.
The only thing I want people to stop is to stop dyeing fish! Agree, Agree.

I'm not saying they should be killed. I'm saying they should not leave your own home. Ever. LuvMyKribs already explained the releasing into the wild thing, so I won't bring it up again.

My response was simply an explanation of why people dislike hybridization. I also did not mean to imply they would breed in the wild. What I mean is that if you give the hybrids to someone, and they then give them to a lfs, someone else could potentially buy the hybrids thinking that they are a pure strain, and thus the gene pool in the aquarium trade will become tainted, and that is a bad thing.

[Betta-Luvn]

I dont beileve in Dyed fish, but my older brother last christmas bought me 2 painted white skirts, he told me they were just regular whiteskirts, until i read up on them i realized they were dyed. I still have both of them today, both heathy and nothing wrong color is still there.

[PinkBloodParrot]

Gah I told myself I wouldnt reply to this thread. :coffee2:
Then why do you bother write a reply in the first place? just to increase your post count? or just to act like the smart one? ;)

[mooman]

She replied in an attempt to combat your hopelessly flawed logic, and erroneus statements. If she was just repying to increase her post count (which would be totally asinine), she would have posted something like this.

Posts by PinkBloodParrot:

"Ok thanks for the link."

"yep"

or my personal favorite:

"Hi there,
whenever I post new post, I realize the post number does not increase, it stays at 74, as you can see here below my avatar. I already posted about 4 new post and my post number is supposed to be 78, but it stays 74?? I tried refreshing my browser but it doesn't help... please help."

[mogurnda]

Maybe it's time to give it a rest.

[PinkBloodParrot]

She replied in an attempt to combat your hopelessly flawed logic, and erroneus statements. If she was just repying to increase her post count (which would be totally asinine), she would have posted something like this.

Posts by PinkBloodParrot:

"Ok thanks for the link."

"yep"

or my personal favorite:

"Hi there,
whenever I post new post, I realize the post number does not increase, it stays at 74, as you can see here below my avatar. I already posted about 4 new post and my post number is supposed to be 78, but it stays 74?? I tried refreshing my browser but it doesn't help... please help."

Yeah right, look who's talking here. you are posting useless post, your reply should at least related to my thread, rather than acting like teacher and post a useless reply. P.S dont reply to this thread if you dont have anything related to it. Why do you have to reply? just to mess with people's business?
I bet now your temper rise and begin to mess with me. Come on, go on, and at the end let see who started the problem.

[mogurnda]

Really, it's time for everyone to chill. Pause. Look over your posts. If you see any posts in which you are criticizing someone personally, rather than having a healthy debate about a topic, then stop doing it. If your posts are free of personal sniping, then sit back, feel good about yourself and poke around the forums for an interesting thread.

This is a fish board. We are not debating the fate of the free world. Time to relax. Please.

[~*LuvMyKribs*~]

I agree... everyone should chill. Its hard though when some blatantly stupid things are being said (I feel yah mooman). His post wasnt useless, it was YOU who originally posted the useless post, and he just replied to it.

This is why I didnt want to post to this topic... because this subject will always get out of hand. Especially when its started by someone who appears to not really have the 'responsible aquarium husbandry' thing down. ;) PinkBloodParrot, you are just feuling the fire by saying those things. And you still havent said anything about your 'just release the fish into the wild' solution? Are you still going to do this to hybrids?

And I may be "acting like the smart one", but someone around here needs to do it. ;)

-Diana

[HolyBull]

I did buy a Flower Horn when they first appeared on the market thinking it was Trimac, not realizing it was a hybrid. So people can buy hybrids w/o realizing it.