Another One Died

[jasonskillz]

as some of u ppl no, i have posted how my plecos keep dying.
guess wut, another one died.
i had it for only 5 days, 5 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wut is happening, every time i find them dead on my filter's inlet tube.
i dont think my gourami killed it or my parrots becuz they r friendly.
there is no way it could have starved to death
can u ppl help me on this :thud: :thud: :thud:

[jasonskillz]

anyone?
plz help
i dont wanna buy another one tat dies

[Roan Art]

Jason,

It would be a really good idea if you posted your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH readings, along with your water change schedule.

If they are dying that fast and it's not your other fish, then there is probably something going on in the water.

Roan

[ashdavid]

I have kept plecos in all sorts of conditions(not intentionaly ofcorse), water as cold as 64 degrees, ammonia and nitrites through the roof and still they don't seem to be affected.

Are you treating your water for chloramines or chlorine every time you do a water change? Also give us your ammonia and nitrite readings. One question, what kind of plecos and how big?

[jasonskillz]

i dont no the readings cuz i dont have anything to check lolz
wut do i use to no the ph n ammonia lvls?
i really dont no this stuff
i just add an esimated amount of chemicals after a water change n tats all
well the pleco, its like ummm i think its just the spotted ones
i was like 5-6 inches long
i thought tat a bigger pleco might b more resistant to the cuz of its death

[ashdavid]

If you are not going to post seriously, you are wasting my time. You have been told to check your ammonia and nitrites, use a test kit from your LFS,it should only cost you a couple of dollars.

[MidnightPyro]

i dont no the readings cuz i dont have anything to check lolz
wut do i use to no the ph n ammonia lvls?
i really dont no this stuff
i just add an esimated amount of chemicals after a water change n tats all
well the pleco, its like ummm i think its just the spotted ones
i was like 5-6 inches long
i thought tat a bigger pleco might b more resistant to the cuz of its death

Jason,
In order to properly diagnose any potential problems you have in your aquarium, we need readings in ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH. I bought my master test kit for $28 at my LFS, which at the time was expensive, but it's definatly been worth it. They also sell them at Big Als Online here. I recommend the Aquarium Pharmecuticals one as I know plenty of people on this board do.
http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=19383;category_id=3111;pcid 1=3233;pcid2=
A test kit is a great investment and I think it's one of the biggest things needed to diagnose potential problems. Some fish stores will also test your aquarium water for free.

If you cannot give us these values, how about something like this:
- How often do you change your water?
- What type/breed of pleco is it?
- What size is your tank/what type of filtration do you have?
- What chemical(s) do you add to your tank?
- Do you have any sort of guard on your filter inlet tube (strainer or something else)?
- Did the pleco exhibit any sign of disease or anything before he died?

I personally may not be able to determine a solution to your problem. There's people far more experienced than I here, but I'm pretty sure in order to figure out what problem your experiencing, you need to give everyone as much information as you can to help you.

[Roan Art]

Like they said, Jason, if we don't know what your readings are, we cannot help you at all.

Roan

[misopeenut]

Are you just throwing the pleco in the water after you get it from the shop?

[NotGumbel]

Maybe he runs it thru the scanner first so he can photoshop it into a giant sasquatch pleco with a string or something ...

[Roan Art]

Maybe he runs it thru the scanner first so he can photoshop it into a giant sasquatch pleco with a string or something ...
Someone woke up on the evil side of the bed this morning ;)

Roan

[jasonskillz]

ill go buy a test kit today or somethin n give u guys some results
the filteration thing, about tat my inlet tube has nothin to cover it up
but i dont think the pleco would have any trouble swimmin away from it
but for now wut other kinds of algae eaters r there???
i might consider something else tat sucks my tank clean :laugh:

[graphicdesign_r]

Why don't we figure out what is killing your plecos before you go toss another algae eater to it's death.

I have an idea, someone else will have to let me know how much sense it makes. You have no substrate in your tank, it is bare glass. Is it possible that the toxins that would normally be trapped in a substrate (heavy metals, excess waste, etc.) are instead trapped in algae that your pleco eats from the bottom of the tank? It is just a hypothesis, but maybe it could explain your problem...

[Roan Art]

Actually, from what I gather in another message it sounds like Jason is keeping his fish in salt. Perhaps all the time.

Jason, how much salt is in your tank and is it there all the time?

Roan

[graphicdesign_r]

Has anyone noticed it's been an exceptionally salty day here at AC? :joke:

Roan what's up with the purple string? Clue me in I'm lost and it's everywhere...

[jasonskillz]

i put like the recommended amount in every water change
i could explain y they all died
my other fishes seem to b fine in the water
so how do i take the salt out?
a 30% water change would not take out all of it so then wut?

[Roan Art]

i put like the recommended amount in every water change
i could explain y they all died
my other fishes seem to b fine in the water
so how do i take the salt out?
a 30% water change would not take out all of it so then wut?
So, you succumbed to the salt myth, eh?

Do you even know how much salt is in your tank? How much have you been adding and how often?

The only way to remove it is to change the water 100%, but don't do that all at once. Salt never leaves the tank unless you physically remove it.

It is *not* good for long term use with freshwater fish.

Roan

[jasonskillz]

i put salt everytime i change water which is like every few weeks
but a lil salt probably wont hurt the fishes
my gourami is doin fine, i hope

[jasonskillz]

i just thought of something, i have another tank tat is exactly the same wit salt and some different fishes, y did this pleco die yet. i had this pleco for like 2 months, the plecos in my main tank die in a few weeks. the one i bought last week died in 5 days :mad: :mad: :mad:. tats a new record :mad: :mad: :mad:

and also my friends tank which is also the same, also has plecos, he pours so much salt in there also, y r they not dead??? i think he has more salt than me, way more

[ashdavid]

I ca 't unDsta d wh t th hel L You aer tryying tooo sAY! h w abo t you spaek englsih and we mihgt be abel to heellp you! I haer kepping sea monkeys is ffuN why no't try keeeping thE'm! :huh:

[Bitsy]

I ca 't unDsta d wh t th hel L You aer tryying tooo sAY! h w abo t you spaek englsih and we mihgt be abel to heellp you! I haer kepping sea monkeys is ffuN why no't try keeeping thE'm! :huh:


:laugh: Hahahaha, you are too funny!! I completely agree!! Maybe we have a :troll:

[jadefoodog]

while i make my fare share of typos, and grammer is something i useually reserve for people in real life. oh and god knows im not a english nazi.

BUT

good god you cant shorten every word in the sentance, maybe its cool with your friends at jr high but us adults need real words to be able to understand you.

[Roan Art]

I ca 't unDsta d wh t th hel L You aer tryying tooo sAY! h w abo t you spaek englsih and we mihgt be abel to heellp you! I haer kepping sea monkeys is ffuN why no't try keeeping thE'm! :huh:
Hrm, I don't think sea monkeys would do well in salt, David. Maybe just regular brine shrimp for this guy :)

Roan

[jasonskillz]

ahhahahaha
ahahahahaa
i dont know but i understand ur super typos without any difficulty hehehe :p: :p: :p:
well lets get back to the point of this thread, why my plecos die

[Roan Art]

ahhahahaha
ahahahahaa
i dont know but i understand ur super typos without any difficulty hehehe :p: :p: :p:
well lets get back to the point of this thread, why my plecos die
There is no point to this thread.

You haven't supplied us with any useful information.
You salt your fish repeatedly and I don't think you even know how much salt is in your tank.

You probably won't, but why don't you read this article on using salt all the time:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=408223&postcount=6


Roan

[reiverix]

And Jason, please don't add any more plecos to your tank until you have some water readings. Go buy tat test kit.

[jadefoodog]

either its deja vu or hes already had a thread like this that ended this exact same way.

[z71silverado98]

dude if u gots a petsmart around u, u culd tak ur water there 4 a test, they do it 4 free. other petstores charge a nom. fee fo dat stuff.

sounds liek ur trying to break into saltwater fish, maybe u should post in the gen salt forums b. tat sounds mo liek whut u need.

[Ghost_knife]

I assume your pleco's are succumbing to one of the few things, your gourami is a crap machine and is overloading your tanks and by some grace the other fish in there havent died yet, Your salt levels have to be off the charts by now, possibly close to a marine tank level, or there is not enough food for the pleco's. pleco's will not live on alge alone or whats in your tank, you need to suppliment them with other things, alge wafers, veggeis, fruit. Potato's and apples are a smash hit in my tanks along with lettuce. before you waste more money on a fish thats going to be blatently killed you may want to read the individual needs of they type of pleco you are getting, I would reccomend looking on www.planetcatfish.com Commons will eat most anything you put in there for them, some of the fancier ones require bog/driftwood to suppliment their diet. and once again Please work on your posting...It's difficult for us to help you when your typeing like your babbleing..

[MidnightPyro]

ahhahahaha
ahahahahaa
i dont know but i understand ur super typos without any difficulty hehehe :p: :p: :p:
well lets get back to the point of this thread, why my plecos die

You want to know why your pleco died? Then you need to take the advice of others here on this forum. First off, why are you using salt?



and also my friends tank which is also the same, also has plecos, he pours so much salt in there also, y r they not dead???


Instead of answering that question, I'm going to ask you a question. Why are you adding salt to your aquarium? Roan Art has tried to show you some articles to read, but you don't seem to be paying attention to them. Salt has advantages with certain diseases and infections on a short term basis. It does not have any soundly proven advantages on a long term basis. Why are you spending money on salt? Spend it on a test kit instead. It doesn't matter how much salt your friend adds and how his plecos are still alive - what matters is salt is unneeded. There is no disadvantage to not using salt. Many people in this thread have advised you to NOT use salt. There's just no point in doing something that does absolutely nothing for your fish, and absolutely nothing for yourself in this scenario.

We cannot magically tell you why your pleco died if you don't give us information. We need information to guess why he died. If I told you my house caught on fire and asked you why it did, you couldn't determine the cause either without information.

[jasonskillz]

well i bought some test stuff today
n i tested my water
i have like 10 nitrite and like 130 nitrate
so im guessing tats y my plecos died
so how do i make it go down to zero?
i have had fish for many years and i never test stuff so i dont no this stuff
im not gonna put salt anymore now

[cyberbeer65]

well i bought some test stuff today
n i tested my water
i have like 10 nitrite and like 130 nitrate
so im guessing tats y my plecos died
so how do i make it go down to zero?
i have had fish for many years and i never test stuff so i dont no this stuff
im not gonna put salt anymore now

You are a blithering IDIOT!!

[jasonskillz]

i no i sound so noobie
i guess i will just change my water

[Roan Art]

Jason,

You have OTS, or Old Tank Syndrom. This happens when people do not do water changes and it will kill any new fish you put in the tank. Your old fish will get used to it, but eventually they will die as well.

Nitrates over 40ppm can kill. The only way to remove them is with water changes. Do not do a whole bunch at once. Start with 20% every day for about 4 days, then step up to 50% a day until your nitrates are down to under 10ppm. You don't have plants, so 0 ppm can actually be your target.

I'm not even going to get into the nitrites issue. That reading is totally outrageous.

You must do water changes every week and test your water as well!

Now you can thank us for saving your giant gourami, because it would have died -- maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow, but most certainly soon -- had we not repeatedly told you to test your water.

Roan

[Edit: the more I think about this the more angry I have become. Jason, I'm sorry but you've been here for a while now and it's obvious that you either don't read any threads on proper fish keeping or just don't think that things can happen to you or don't really care. Regardless, I'm tired of people trying to help you and all you do is ignore their advice and then trot along on your merry way. Take this as an "adios", because I will no longer help you with anything. I'm also sick and tired of trying to decipher your "cyberspeak" crap.]

[IceH2O]

Wow, its pretty hard to **** off Roan.

Jason, the best thing I ever did for my fish was find this forum. There is so much info on this site that I'm here everyday reading up on stuff and have learned tons. I still ask questions if I don't grasp a subject and I try to give advice on what I know, not what I think I know.

I had the same problem with nitrates, follow the water change directions. It took me 9 days to get to acceptable levels. I did 25% changes daily for about 5 days then another 4 days at 33% until I dropped down to 20 ppm. I have plants so I don't want to get to 0. I also added Purigen to my filter and now after a water change my nitrates are down to 10 ppm.

The nitrites will drop with the water changes, 1.0 is high!, I didn't see an ammonia reading but I'm sure its just as high.

Just research other posts, the search engine for this forum isn't perfect but it helps, and when you see 5 people giving you the same advice then follow it.

[reiverix]

The nitrites will drop with the water changes, 1.0 is high!The reading he gave was 10 and not 1.0, which if true makes the tank just a basin of toxic soup.

Jason are you sure nitrite reads at 10ppm? What is your ammonia level?

No one here can/will help you if you don't start helping yourself.

[NotGumbel]

:OT:

Ever consider the possibility this person may even have no tank, or if he has a tank he does not experience the problems described ... and that he's just a child who gets some sort of amusement by baiting well-meaning members on these forums?

He's almost certainly a master at baiting IMHO :troll:

But I am very glad personally for those of you who attempt to answer questions even when the seriousness of the person asking them is in question -- you always put the health and well-being of the fish first, and you have a lot more patience than I would.

[IceH2O]

The reading he gave was 10 and not 1.0, which if true makes the tank just a basin of toxic soup.


I don't think any fish could live at that reading,no matter how acclimed they have become.It has to be a typo.

Or NotGumbel is right and we have a :troll:

[EcoPit]

Do what Roan said in her last post and STOP ADDING SALT. And learn to talk for god's sake.

Edited for spelling.

[S.A.]

ok. i haven't been here long and thanks to folks like Roan, Kribs, and Mojo we have been helped tremendously - so have our fish and they are so much happier.

in going through other links on plecos (because they are soooo cool) there is a thread explaining that plecos need minimal to no salt. bottom dwellers like plecos absorb the salt. it basically shuts their system down and they die. some will give neurological symptoms first - shaking/trembling, low activity, or may develop skin symptoms.

please listen to what these folks are telling you -
1- frequent water changes and testing
2- NO MORE SALT - although gouramies, mollies, etc can handle LOW LEVELS, plecos cannot (neither can the smaller aglae eaters - like ottos)
3- give as much info as possible
4- type clearly, this is not a text message from your phone or an instant messanger. although it is easier for you to type "shorthand" it is not easy for us to read. most members will only glance at your post (if they bother to exert any energy with it at all)

Help is available here, but what everyone is trying to tell you is that you have to meet half way.
Good luck.

[Hannys_Papa]

Well i think after all we've found the reason for the "beautiful" and unique pink colouring of jasons prized gourami.
Its actually hemorrhaging under the skin from being in that poisenous enviroment. :idea2:

[S.A.]

Well i think after all we've found the reason for the "beautiful" and unique pink colouring of jasons prized gourami.
Its actually hemorrhaging under the skin. :idea2:

:laugh: :laugh:

edit: not for the fish, not laughing for it. but d**n you're funny!

[MidnightPyro]

i no i sound so noobie
i guess i will just change my water

Jason,
A 10 ppm reading of nitrite is insane. Your nitrite reading is higher than some (or most) people's nitrate reading. Nitrite is toxic to fish. I believe 10 ppm would exceed the upper boundaries on some people's nitrite test kit.

I've read a lot of Roan Art's posts and I consider him a very knowledgable individual as are a lot of people on this forum. I'm sure they'd all be willing to help if you simply try to solve these problems. If you want a healthy aquarium, these things aren't optional. No salt, more water changes. These things aren't negotiable.

- What filter do you have in your tank and what size tank is it? Overfiltering is not a problem, but underfiltering is. You state that you have no substrate. Substrate is important not only for cosmetic purposes, but giving a home to benefical bacteria. Withut a home for bacteria, your nitrogen cycle may not go as quickly as it should.

- How often do you change your water? With a reading of 10 ppm of nitrite, you need to change the water MUCH more often. A reading that high is no where near acceptable for a pleco, or any other fish for that matter. Find a water changing scheme and stick to it. I do 40% weekly (I have live plants though) and I have never had ammonia or nitrite.

- Sort out your problems before adding in another pleco. Get your water in good condition. You shouldn't be adding ANY fish with readings that high. Get nitrite down to 0, and test ammonia. Ammonia should be 0, nitrite should be 0, and nitrate should be as close to 0 as possible, but anything less than about 20 is acceptable in a non-planted tank. If these values get to high, do a water change.

The thing that most concerns me right now about your tank is the lack of substrate and thus bacteria homes. If there isn't enough bacteria, the nitrogen cycle won't do very well.

[Ghost_knife]

Jason, the best thing you can do for that fish is to Donate it to a local place that has the setups to handle it. your tank coupled with the inability to do whats needed for the tank is posing a risk to your fish, you will save yourself alot of headaches in the future by trying to keep your water pristine for it. Look for a LFS or an Aquarium or Restraunt (that wont fry it for food) that will be willing to give it a home, 13X Gallons is too small for that gourami, I've said it before and I know that I sound like a broken reccord but it would be happier in a place thats big enough for it and a few friends.

[jasonskillz]

roan if u are even reading
yes i am taking people's advice and listening, i just dont say anything tats all
i am gonna change my water today

[jasonskillz]

Jason, the best thing you can do for that fish is to Donate it to a local place that has the setups to handle it. your tank coupled with the inability to do whats needed for the tank is posing a risk to your fish, you will save yourself alot of headaches in the future by trying to keep your water pristine for it. Look for a LFS or an Aquarium or Restraunt (that wont fry it for food) that will be willing to give it a home, 13X Gallons is too small for that gourami, I've said it before and I know that I sound like a broken reccord but it would be happier in a place thats big enough for it and a few friends.


once it gets bigger i dont mind getting a 200+gal tank for it, but for now it is still a baby if u havent noticed, they can live like 10 years and up, but for now its not even a year old. when the time comes i will b ready

[jasonskillz]

just wondering so i can keep my fish alive
can i change my water rite now without putting any chemical
wouldnt that be ok? any faucet water would be better than the water in the tank right? not trying to be sarcastic but is that kinda true???

[cyberbeer65]

It seems to me that you shouldn't be keeping any fish.If I was you I would give what fish I had away,and do some thorough research on what it takes to be sucsessful in this hobby.Until then you should stop wasting everybodys time.

[jasonskillz]

well i just did a 30% water change
my nitrite is now around 4 which is still high
since i have no school tomorrow i will do another water change which will make it lower even more
my fish will survive :soda: :soda: :soda:

[z71silverado98]

oh awesome, we dont have to age water anymore? chlorinated tapwater is no longer deadly to fish? :soda:

jason, if you just did a 30% water change w/ straight tap, your fish will be dead by tomorrow.

[crazy4beadz]

how about buying 4 buckets, pour some water into them, leave them out for 24 hours and add that to your tank???? chlorine will evaporate from them.


Jason, before owning your aquarium.. DIDNT YOU READ ANYTHING ABOUT MAINTAINING ONE?

" I dont think you should be selling aquarium supplies either with not knowing anything about aquariums.."

[jasonskillz]

well
imma get my chemicals rite now so ya
tat chlorine will b gone soon
hehe

[Ghost_knife]

200 Gallons will be fine for a few months, I would suggest you do research on the Giant Gourami, they require 4-900 Gallons with heavy filtration, Nothing that Jebo sells is adept for that fish, Please do it a favor and find it a better home.

[MidnightPyro]

once it gets bigger i dont mind getting a 200+gal tank for it, but for now it is still a baby if u havent noticed, they can live like 10 years and up, but for now its not even a year old. when the time comes i will b ready

Are you speaking of the aquarium in your signature? The 130 gallon one?
If so, you may have bitten off more than you can chew. A bit of advice here...I only have 1 tank setup right now and it's a 29 gallon. I've spent quite a bit of money on setting it up and properly maintaining it. I've also done quite a bit of research and read plenty of information on this forum and others on how to properly care for aquarium and fish. I'm far from being a pro at aquaria, but from what you seem to be doing, you seem to be a novice.

Are you sure you're ready for a 130 gallon aquarium? Maybe start with a smaller tank and work your way up. If you cannot properly take care of a 130 gallon aquarium, you shouldn't get anything bigger.



can i change my water rite now without putting any chemical
wouldnt that be ok? any faucet water would be better than the water in the tank right? not trying to be sarcastic but is that kinda true???


I normally don't like to be mean, but that's a pretty stupid thing to say. Does your water contain chlorine, chloramines, or heavy metals? All of these are toxic to fish too. You need a water treater. I recommend and use Seachem's prime. In addition to neutralizing all of these things, it also detoxifies ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate. It isn't a replacement to water changes, but it can help out a lot in emergency situations, especially in your case.

At the very least, get a water conditioner that takes care of these things. Get something at the very least for your water. Stress Coat, Prime, Amquel+NovAqua.

These are basic things that need to be addressed. Like buying a computer or a car, building a house, or any other thing, research is an important thing to do. We were all new to this once and I'm sure no one here minds lending a helping hand, but a little bit of reading and research can save you both money and headaches.

[jasonskillz]

i put some amquel n some aquanova the water should b good now
by the way northstar like i said many times the mininum for the tank is 135
http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0031&view_records=1
have u every seen a fully grown gourami?
i have seen many, they dont need a 900 gal tank. i dont mind getting one for my fish. just dont got nowhere to put it

[NotGumbel]

i have seen many, they dont need a 900 gal tank. i dont mind getting one for my fish. just dont got nowhere to put it
Requirements for a giant gourami:

* Intel® Xeon™, Xeon Dual, Intel Centrino™, or Pentium® III or 4 processor
* Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 4, or Windows XP with Service Pack 1 or 2
* 320MB of RAM (384MB recommended)
* 650MB of available hard-disk space
* 1,024x768 monitor resolution with 16-bit video card
* CD-ROM drive
* Internet or phone connection required for product activation

No wait, those are requirements for Photoshop, never mind :D

[Ghost_knife]

Minimum dosnt mean best, I have seen tons of gourami of all sizes shapes and colors, I do not need someonie to tell me about full grown gourami, I have kept all sorts for many many years, the way you treat this one is horrid, like someone said above start with somthing smaller and work your way up, and I said 4 yes 4 to 900 that means there is a range. I suggest you read some books on gourami especialy yours, It will not be happy in your tank imo.

[Ghost_knife]

Requirements for a giant gourami:

* Intel® Xeon™, Xeon Dual, Intel Centrino™, or Pentium® III or 4 processor
* Microsoft® Windows® 2000 with Service Pack 4, or Windows XP with Service Pack 1 or 2
* 320MB of RAM (384MB recommended)
* 650MB of available hard-disk space
* 1,024x768 monitor resolution with 16-bit video card
* CD-ROM drive
* Internet or phone connection required for product activation

No wait, those are requirements for Photoshop, never mind :D
BaZing!

[jasonskillz]

o man u guys still wit tat crap
o well
like i care? i really dont think so
man i no this thread is gonna get locked again cuz of all tat stupid bs

[Bitsy]

I'm not generally a rude person but I've been following this thread for a while and I'm completely disgusted. Jason, do you realize what an uneducated illiterate idiot you sound like? Is it that much harder to put the "h" in that, it's one extra letter.

[Ghost_knife]

the only reason your topics get locked is you make people mad with sheer stupidity and saying to people who keep fish for years that they know not what they are talking about. Donate your fish sell your tank and look for something safer to spend your money on, you've already killed 2 pleco's for no reason probly more,

[jasonskillz]

donate my fish????
hahahahahhahahahhahaha
i really dont think so
i rather sell then donate, but of course this one is too rare, so no way
i rather buy a gourami for a store front then donate mine

[SnowHeart]

i rather sell then donate, but of course this one is too rare, so no way
i rather buy a gourami for a store front then donate mine:pc: :pc: :pc:

Wow. Jason, gotta say that despite being a little dumbfounded, I was patient and willing to give you the benefit of the doubt... right up until I read that. What's sad is I think you actually mean well and I think you actually do want your fish to be okay, but for whatever reason there's just some huge disconnect in your head between what it takes to ACTUALLY take care of the animals in your custody versus what it is you're willing to do without causing yourself any hassle. And, that last post of yours indicates that lack of... whether its maturity or responsibility I don't know... but definitely a lack of something.

I feel sorry for any animal entrusted to your care. I sincerely hope you take it more seriously than what you've represented here and that this, here, is just some weird joke to you.

[Ghost_knife]

sell the poor thing then! atleast it would be out of the horrid conditions it's exposed to now!

[NotGumbel]

I feel sorry for any animal entrusted to your care. I sincerely hope you take it more seriously than what you've represented here and that this, here, is just some weird joke to you.

I guess we could be glad this site isn't named Child Care Central ...

[Ghost_knife]

i hate to be a grave digger but I do wonder what happend to the gourami, Is it alive or dead, I guess we will never know

[misopeenut]

jasonskillz = pran?

[Ghost_knife]

i dont know

[atc_ben]

i kant b liev i red dis hoel tread. :rolleyes:

[Ghost_knife]

please dont mock and get the thread locked, i am genuinely interested

[kmgriff72]

How old is this kid? Did anyone ever find out if the fish is still alive?

[misopeenut]

what kind of gourami did he have anyway? osphro??

[dorkfish]

Yup. big ol' fish in a small tank. But the big fish needs a huge tank.

[Sammyboy15]

i dont no the readings cuz i dont have anything to check lolz
wut do i use to no the ph n ammonia lvls?
i really dont no this stuff
i just add an esimated amount of chemicals after a water change n tats all
well the pleco, its like ummm i think its just the spotted ones
i was like 5-6 inches long
i thought tat a bigger pleco might b more resistant to the cuz of its death
hey i started out that way 2 but then ammonia kill all my fish but 2 the one's i have now and i got a master test kit a pet supermarket for 20 bucks and tested every thing

[Ghost_knife]

I was only interested in the fish. I felt bad for it is all