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lilchris_28
01-20-2006, 2:17 AM
I just went in to feed Fluffy, my Goldfish, and I noticed he has these blister-like things on his side. They weren't there last night when I fed him. Here's some pics I took of them. You know the bubble-eye goldfish? Kind of looks like that but on his sides. Poor Fluffy! On his right side it looks pink too.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4356.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4355.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4354.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4353.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4351.jpg

lilchris_28
01-20-2006, 4:06 AM
I think what he has is hemorrhagic septicemia...which is my fault because I didn't change his water recently. So what do I do? I have some tablets to put in the water which I'm going to wait and use tomorrow when I wake up because I have to take the filter out and I just did a partial water change and it needs the filter for a while. I found online a site that said to put hydrogen peroxide on a Q-tip and rub it on the abrasions which I did and it busted the blisters which I'm thinking wasn't a good thing. I'm so worried about him.

Persimmon
01-20-2006, 8:51 PM
hemorrhagic septicemia has different symptoms then this. Are you sure your water isn't over saturated in oxygen in some way?

You also mentioned taking out your filter, do you have other media in your filter besides charcoal? CHarcoal is the least media goldfish needs. They need bio filtration and you really need to keep the filter running without the charcoal for the fish is possible



I am sure someone else will come in with some good advice but I do know, it is CRUCIAL that you keep the water perfect. Do you have a test tube based test kit? He will not heal with meds if his water is bad.

lilchris_28
01-20-2006, 11:58 PM
The tank he is in now currently has a biowheel and a one of those filter pouches with carbon in it. I didn't even know water could get over-oxygenated. How do I know if it is or not? I just bought a 20 gallon to put him in in a few days after it cycles for a bit. This one just has a filter without a biowheel. I'm planning on buying another filter with one ASAP though next week I'm buying a bigger tank for my bichir. Can he just use the regular filter in his tank or does he need a bio wheel too?- I'm talking about my bichir on that one.

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 12:53 AM
In your other thread you mentioned using a 50 gallon pump for a decor piece, correct? How big is the tank the fish is in now?


WHat does your test kit say regarding the water quality-- how often are you doing water changes and what % of water are you taking out? A biowheel is great, but your fish need bio filtration much more than carbon. Can you take the carbon out and put in filterfloss, clean quilt batting, or a bio sponge? WHich costs like $3 at the pet store.

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 12:56 AM
*lowers head in shame* The fish is in a 5 gallon now. I usually do a 25-30% water change once a month. As for the other stuff, you've lost me there.

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:02 AM
Oh Jenny,

Is this the only fish in the tank? How long have you had the fish?

You need to get a $20 gallon tank, propery filtration and a test tube test kit ASAP. YOU WILL KILL this fish soon if you do not.. How long has the tank been running?

And I truly suspect it is too much oxygen in the tank if you have been using a 50 gallon pump in 5 gallons of water. Get the pump OUT of the water tonight. Take the pump back and get a SMALL PUMP.


Try and answer the questions I already asked asap if you can. And you should be doing a 50% water change EVERYDAY if that fish is in that tiny bit of water. Will you please take a picture of your whole tank and your filter so I can see what you have and try to help you?

You also need to use a water conditioner, like Prime when doing changes. Have you been doing that?

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:06 AM
I haven't been using a pump in the five gallon. I have the 50 in a 20 that I bought tonight. There's a pleco in there with him. I've had him for three years and the tank just as long. Yes, Prime is the conditioner I use everytime I add water. Gimme a sec and I'll get pics of the tank and filter.

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:09 AM
Do you have any air going into this tank? Because it made sense that if the 50 pump was being used here, that could cause the bubble. I had a really hard time finding anything else like it...hopefully someone else will know exactly what it is. Post a pic, I am here.

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:10 AM
Right now the only think in the tank besides the goldfish and the pleco is gravel and a little otter ornament. No air pump.

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:15 AM
Right now the only think in the tank besides the goldfish and the pleco is gravel and a little otter ornament. No air pump.

ok, then it just probably has to do with the water quality. You really have to be doing 50% water changes everyday. He may have gotten this far, but it is obvious the bad water is taking the toll on him. Do you have a gravel cleaner? And I am waiting for the pics when you can do it:)

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:21 AM
Yes I have a gravel cleaner and I use it when I do the water change/filter cleaning. I'm downloading the pics now... Probably another 10 minutes and they'll be on here. How often do I need to do the water changes in the 20G. I can move him in there now, but the tank hasn't had time to cycle, so which is the least of the two evils?

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:25 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4361.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4363.jpg
(the filter)

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4364.jpg
(the filter cartridge)

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:28 AM
This is the new 20G setup.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/precious_elf_legolas/IMG_4357.jpg

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:30 AM
Do you have any fish in the 20 gallon?

No matter what, you are going to have to buy the test kit..I know they seem expensive but you really can't know what your tank is doing without it.


Without knowing where the 20 gallon is at, I would not subject the fish to the cycle.

I would CAREFULLY, with the vac, dig it deep in an area down into the gravel without swishing it around, let it suck until it runs about clear, then move over. With only 5 gallons, you won't be able to do much at a time. Each day, do a little more gravel. You may have to do a 40-50% water change in the morning and the night.

The best chance your fish will have is if you make sure that water as as clear as possible without any chance of getting nasty.

Also, I would take out as much gravel as possible, leaving a thin layer of maybe 1/4" for the pleco. You need to get as much water in that tank as possible.

You also need to feed very sparingly for right now, just a little in the morning, etc don't feed two or 3 times a day.

Do you feed the pleco different things than the fish? How big is the fish?

how far is the 20 into the cycle?

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:34 AM
No I don't have any fish in the 20G right now. I just got it and set it up today.

My pleco just eats the leftovers. When I clean the tank, I put a half of an algae wafer in for him. The pleco is about 3.5 inches and the goldfish is about 6 inches.

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:37 AM
Ok, your 20 looks awesome!:):)

You have a pearlscale?? I love those!

Ok, well, the octagon tank is also not very good for the fish because of the surface area, BUT good news, your bio wheel looks good, DO NOT wash it, BUT get rid of the filter charcoal cartridge.

When you go to the store, you can pick up a few things very cheap to really help the situation. You can buy bio sponge or biomax from Aquaclear for under $5.00. I would put some quilt batting from walmart, etc real cheap at the first spot the water touches into the filter, this will catch all the chunks you see on top of the blue pad, roll it up like a fat sausage and make sure it goes end to end so it catches all the crud then that will flow through onto the next and support the bacteria. AT that second area past the quilt batting, FILL IT with as much BIOMAX ceramic rings you can fit..ok? This should cost you very little. Then, you can later use this 5 gallon for something small and transfer the good bacteria portions to the new tank as well.

Make sense?

ANy questions?

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 1:41 AM
Just one question, where does the sponge go in there?

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:41 AM
No I don't have any fish in the 20G right now. I just got it and set it up today.

My pleco just eats the leftovers. When I clean the tank, I put a half of an algae wafer in for him. The pleco is about 3.5 inches and the goldfish is about 6 inches.

Wonderful...ok, tell me this...can you take back that pump and get a test kit first, bio media second if you have the funds,, do 40% water changes on the 5 gallon at least once a week and leave the pleco in that until the cycle is done.... Then put the pearlscale in the 20 gallon?

If you can do a 50% water change EVERYDAY on that 20 gallon, along with testing the water, I feel that would be a better place for ONE of the fish for now in the 20 until the cycle is over..which will be about a month......can you do that?

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 1:50 AM
Just one question, where does the sponge go in there?

Is your tank a 5 gallon eclipse?

This is a picture of my 6 gallon Eclipse.

http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/dnlmoon/eclipsetop.jpg

I roll up quilt batting, and then I have the rings. This is what you can do and will be a million times better than the charcoal.

ANy ??

jason2894
01-21-2006, 2:42 AM
lol jenny see i told ya it looked like a poor water quality problem. hey if u get this pm me.

Roan Art
01-21-2006, 6:32 AM
Jenny,

See if you can find a way for the hex's filter to fit on the 20 gallon. Tape it, whatever, just make sure it's pumping and the bio wheel is turning properly. Also make sure that the water on the 20g has been treated. You don't want chlorine or chloramines killing the bacteria on the small filter.

If you can get that working on there, then you will have both filters running.
Take some of the tank water and dissolve THOROUGHLY 1 tsp salt per gallon -- table salt is fine -- and add that to the tank SLOWLY. Dose the tank with Prime as well, according to your bottle. Do not overdose.

Test the water and write down all the test results. Keep a log. You will probably get a reading for ammonia, but if you have used Prime, that is normal.

Put the all the fish from the hex in.

The tank should cycle in a day or so.

The Prime will detoxify the ammonia and the salt will help detoxify any nitrites.

The filter from the hex contains all the bacteria you need to get your tank going. It just needs time to multiply and colonize the new filter. Leave the little filter on for at least a week or so, then you can move it back to the hex and any other fish that you need to move out of the 20g.

Roan

Persimmon
01-21-2006, 11:26 AM
The problem here is that it not a well colonized wheel and she has no other bio in the filter system. She has only been over using the charcoal inserts. If the wheel was highly colonized or she had other media, yes, I think it would work for the bigger tank too, but from what I saw, there is no good bacteria goo build up on that wheel.

Jeeny, the wheel looks clean, have you been washing it and if so, how?

Roan Art
01-21-2006, 12:00 PM
The problem here is that it not a well colonized wheel and she has no other bio in the filter system. She has only been over using the charcoal inserts. If the wheel was highly colonized or she had other media, yes, I think it would work for the bigger tank too, but from what I saw, there is no good bacteria goo build up on that wheel.

Jeeny, the wheel looks clean, have you been washing it and if so, how?
Is the hex cycled? If it is, then she has an adequate colony for this purpose. It's not going to colonize more than enough to support the fish that are in the hex regardless of how much floss and noodles you stick in it. Seriously.

From the pictures she posted it's fine. With a bio wheel you really don't need all that stuff you have in yours, persimmon, really. And the bio wheel does not have to look "gooey" at all. I rinse mine out in the tank water. Not the old tank water, the tank water. Gooey wheels do not turn well.

Jenny, do NOT wash that filter pad in tap water. Transfer everything over the to 20g. Rinse out the filter pad in the tank water in the hex. Get the mulm off it, but don't wash it too much. There's good bacteria in there. Don't wash the bio wheel either. If it gets really gooey, rinse it out in the good tank water. That way bacteria that come off stay in the tank.

Put the whole thing in the 20g and let it run. Don't change out that filter cartridge until it totally falls apart, then just substitute a sponge or if you want, a new cartridge. Carbon really doesn't do a heck of a lot, however, so it's pointless. I still use cartridges, however, only because it's easier for me.

Roan

Roan Art
01-21-2006, 12:04 PM
The tank he is in now currently has a biowheel and a one of those filter pouches with carbon in it. I didn't even know water could get over-oxygenated. How do I know if it is or not? I just bought a 20 gallon to put him in in a few days after it cycles for a bit. This one just has a filter without a biowheel. I'm planning on buying another filter with one ASAP though next week I'm buying a bigger tank for my bichir. Can he just use the regular filter in his tank or does he need a bio wheel too?- I'm talking about my bichir on that one.It's not over-oxygenated. It's nitrogen from the tap water. When you dump water in a tank the fish can absorb the nitrogen bubbles and get a condition similar to the "bends" that divers get.

Don't just dump water in the tank. Add it slowly and if you can, let it sit for a while so the bubbles will float up and release the gas on their own. Better yet still is to add an aerator to the bucket and let it run. It'll force the gass out.

Roan

rrkss
01-21-2006, 2:34 PM
I did not read every item listed here but looking at those images, the red veins in the tail stand out to me. Can you please give me a test of your water. Usually dialated vessels in the fish's tail signal ammonia poisoning and the blisters could just be damage done by the ammonia if this is the case.

Roan Art
01-21-2006, 2:44 PM
I did not read every item listed here but looking at those images, the red veins in the tail stand out to me. Can you please give me a test of your water. Usually dialated vessels in the fish's tail signal ammonia poisoning and the blisters could just be damage done by the ammonia if this is the case.
Wow, good catch. I missed those.

Unfortunately Jenny doesn't have a test kit yet. Hoping she'll have one today, rrkss.

Roan

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 10:40 PM
Ok, bought my test kit... One of the nice ones with the test tubes and the drops and all that jazz. I talked to a lady who works at my vet and keeps goldfish and has for many years. She instructed me to buy aquarium salt, stress-zyme, and some ammonia rock looking things to put in my filter. She said the antibacterial meds that I'm giving Fluffy is killing off the good bacteria too. I also bought some hikari food. I've been feeding wardley goldfish crumbles. Thus far, Fluffy isn't eating the hikari. I've move him to the 20 Gallon. He keeps rubbing into the filter strainer in the hex tank and beating himself up more. I tested the 20 Gallon. Nitrite and Nitrate are 0, Ammonia is .5, and PH is 7.8 and it says for Goldfish 7.5 is ideal. I'm gonna go test the other tank for ammonia just to see what it is. Fluffy is swimming laps around the 20 Gallon...He's so cute.

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 10:47 PM
Ok...it's either 0 or .25 in the hex. I can't tell if it's yellow or yellowish green.

The biowheel does have gunk on it. When I clean it, the only thing I do is stick it in the tank and scrub the sides so it turns well.

rrkss
01-21-2006, 11:10 PM
if you have difficulty telling the difference, you have a positive test for ammonia. Any negative test is bright yellow and easy to spot. Test your Nitrites and post that also. You might want to add 1 tsp of salt per gallon to slow down Nitrite uptake at this moment. It will also aid in healing these blisters.

rrkss
01-21-2006, 11:13 PM
The biowheel does have gunk on it. When I clean it, the only thing I do is stick it in the tank and scrub the sides so it turns well.

When last have you cleaned your filter's impeller and the intake tubes? I never have to clean my biowheel in order to get it to turn. Usually if it has problems turning it is because my impeller is dirty or something is stuck in the intake tube. My biowheel is pretty gunked up at the moment.

lilchris_28
01-21-2006, 11:15 PM
I don't clean it because it doesn't turn, I just clean it to keep it turning. I clean the tube and propeller everytime I do a water change, which I had been doing about once every month.

Roan Art
01-22-2006, 8:27 AM
Jenny,

You need to change the water weekly, at least 50%, and clean the impeller and intake tubes with every water change.

Roan

lilchris_28
01-22-2006, 6:14 PM
Good news... Fluffy is doing better! :)

Roan Art
01-22-2006, 10:46 PM
Excellent. Keep us updated, please.

Roan

lilchris_28
01-22-2006, 11:23 PM
Excellent. Keep us updated, please.

Roan

No problem.


When I say he's doing better, the sores on his sides seem to be healing. There's scar tissue looking stuff coming in. The veins on the tail on starting to be less pronounced. He's not where I'd like him to be on his dropsy though. His scales are still sticking out. Is it just going to take time? I'd give him medicine for it but I was told that would kill the bacteria that he needs that's growing in the tank. He's still doing much better than I expected. I truly expected him to die. He's swimming around his tank like crazy, and he just discovered the new food on the surface. I appreciate all the advice.

BTW, how often do I add the aquarium salt? Are my guppies and bichir eel suppose to have it too?

lilchris_28
01-24-2006, 3:14 AM
Quick question... I tested the ammonia level again tonight and it has gone from .5 to 1.0. The pamphlet that came with the test kit says that in a new aquarium it can shoot up to sometimes 4 and then drop just as quickly, so is this just normal new tank fluctuactions? I am using ammonia rocks.

rrkss
01-24-2006, 12:35 PM
The ammonia rocks are not going to help too much. Right now you want to waterchange your ammonia to below .5 ppm. The lower the ammonia the better. Keep in mind that you are treating with drugs designed to kill bacteria so the bacteria needed to eat ammonia might not develop. Until the dropsy situation is taken care of you will need to really sit on top of waterchanges and then wait for it to cycle once you stop medication but still stay on top of testing and waterchanges.

Beeker
01-24-2006, 5:33 PM
With the ammonia going up as it is, you should increase the frequency of the waterchanges. Only add salt for the amount of water you change. If you take out 50% of the water, only add 50% of the salt four your tank.

Roan,
Considering that the fish has dropsy, wouldn't Epsom Salt be better to use than table salt? Just something I was told.

If things are working well now, don't do anything different. Just keep changing the water. The fish having dropsy means that the water was loaded with bacteria and the fish became very ill. Both goldfish and plecos are notorius poop machines. To have them in such a small tank together is a disaster wating to happen. Each fish alone requires no less than 20 gallons of water to stay healthy with 50% water changes weekly. It is amazing that they stayed alive as long as they have.

Persimmon
02-05-2006, 11:54 AM
Ok...it's either 0 or .25 in the hex. I can't tell if it's yellow or yellowish green.

The biowheel does have gunk on it. When I clean it, the only thing I do is stick it in the tank and scrub the sides so it turns well.

You shouldn't be cleaning it at ALL unless it totally stops turning and then you shold only clean the spokes. You are taking off all the slime that hold the good bacteria. A GOOD colonoized wheel will have tons of gunk on it. You need to leave the gunk alone.

Persimmon
02-05-2006, 11:59 AM
THIS is what a well colonized wheel will look like.

http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/dnlmoon/biowheel.jpg

You CANNOT have too much bio filtration for goldfish. They are filthy and need all the help they can get. In a 5 or 6 gallon Eclipse the filtration IS NOT up to par to hold goldfish, hence the need for extra bio that helps a lot.

If your wheel looks clean, IT IS NOT colonized well.

A well colonized area in any part of the tank, the intake tube, etc that has slime, will help properly cycle and kep the tank ammonia free. If you are scrubbing everything, that can make things worse.

Your ammonia and your nitrites need to stay AS LOW as possible. Your nitrates should be nor more than 20-30. SImply check your water morning and night. If the water says anything higher than 0 ammonia and nitrites and 20 nitrates, so a 50% water change. Do this each time with PRIME. This will keep your water healthy for the fish and do NOT rinse your bio media.

The salt at a .1 -.3% can help a lot in healing just remember that what you put in does not evaporate and you have to use aquarium safe salt

rrkss
02-05-2006, 1:45 PM
Wow that wheel is pretty well gunked up. You don't have problems with it turning?

budrecki
02-06-2006, 11:40 AM
I don't think anyone had mentioned this, but do you realize your little pleco will grow upwards of 18 inches?

lilchris_28
02-06-2006, 11:47 AM
Yeah...lol.

Roan Art
02-06-2006, 1:18 PM
THIS is what a well colonized wheel will look like.

You CANNOT have too much bio filtration for goldfish. They are filthy and need all the help they can get. In a 5 or 6 gallon Eclipse the filtration IS NOT up to par to hold goldfish, hence the need for extra bio that helps a lot.

If your wheel looks clean, IT IS NOT colonized well.Persimmon,

No offense, but I would never leave my biowheel like that :) Yours looks like it's covered with mulm and mulm will inhibit nitrite eaters. Not a good thing.

I swish mine in the tank, not the old tank water, the good water, every time I clean and I've never had a problem.

To each their own, I guess, but IMO there's no reason for it to be quite *that* gunky looking :)



A well colonized area in any part of the tank, the intake tube, etc that has slime, will help properly cycle and kep the tank ammonia free. If you are scrubbing everything, that can make things worse.No, this I will argue whole-heartedly against. Bacteria colonize in the biowheel and filter media, not in the filter tubes. Slime is not bacteria colonization. It is mulm and not only will it affect your nitrite eaters, but it will restrict the flow of water through your filter. You HAVE to clean your intake and out-take tubes or your water flow will be restricted. With goldfish that is the last thing you want.

Clean the filter parts in old tank water, and remove all the mulm. Use a filter brush for the tubes. I do this every week and have never had a burp in nitrites or ammonia or nitrates.

Roan

Hannys_Papa
02-06-2006, 3:18 PM
....Yours looks like it's covered with mulm and mulm will inhibit nitrite eaters. Not a good thing....

May i ask what makes you say that ? (articles, books?)
I've been reading and reading and never came across anything stateing that mulm is bad for nitrite conversion - the opposite actually....

Roan Art
02-06-2006, 10:42 PM
May i ask what makes you say that ? (articles, books?)
I've been reading and reading and never came across anything stateing that mulm is bad for nitrite conversion - the opposite actually....
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=484307&postcount=15
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=510922&postcount=5

Hope that helps (sorta in a hurry this pm)

Roan