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What about that Pittsburg touchdown... or was it?
..in the first half, that is. :)
IceH2O
02-05-2006, 8:56 PM
I don't see how they ruled that a TD, it was clear to everyone that it was on the half yard line.
I also have a problem with the taking away of Seattles TD due to the push off, they both had their hands on each other .
I saw it and at first I thought for sure they missed it, but the last time they showed the clip....you could JUST see that the tip of the ball went JUST over the line....bummer !
My husband says it looks like a setup for the Steelers to win...he hates that ! It's the only reason he's rooting for the SeaHawks...
Jay-Stew
02-05-2006, 9:49 PM
It's alway's an easier call at home , on the couch with 6 beer in you. Anyweay's it was not the right call as we all seen at home !!! And I have not cleaned my glasses this week !!!
IceH2O
02-05-2006, 10:08 PM
With instant replay you can see the call was wrong. Its not like they called it and wasn't challenged. They just decided to not overide it. It has nothing to do with being easier at home. They see the same replay as we do.
When they took away Seattles TD and gave the Steelers a TD that changed the entire games parameters.
slipknottin
02-05-2006, 10:27 PM
Im by no means a seahawk fan, but the refs absolutely took the game from them.
Raskolnikov
02-05-2006, 10:50 PM
Keep *****ing, haters. The ball landed shy of the endzone, but it broke the plane before Ben was down.
slipknottin
02-05-2006, 10:57 PM
As I said, I really didnt care who won. Seahawks just seemed to get the shaft on alot of calls.
125gJoe
02-06-2006, 4:30 AM
I had to work during the game, but I did hear there was a lack of Seahawk fans. In fact, they said it was very noticeable. Is this true? ...Gotta keep the fans happy...
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wesleydnunder
02-06-2006, 5:56 AM
Like Slip, I didn't care who won. The Cowboys weren't playing. That was the worst officiating I've seen in a long time. When Seattle threw the interception on the three yard line and the QB wound up tackling the guy he gets called for a low block. I saw several calls like that.
Mark
I'm glad the Steelers won, but I'm not happy with quite a few calls against the Seahawks. That touchdown they called back...should've been a touchdown. I mean really, interference?
I don't think the touchdown of thread subject was a touchdown.
Seahawks QB should not have been penalized for his 'personal foul' when he did a legal tackle.
But I'm not gonna get mad at the Steelers for bad officiating. C'mon.
;)
patoloco
02-06-2006, 10:59 AM
I don't fully understand football rules, but I saw that the ball landed outside and the player holding the ball strechted his arms -while lying on the ground-to pass the ball past the goal line. To my understanding, it should not be called a touch down.
In soccer, referees are not allowed to see replays, so they have to judge by their split second apreciation, but in football thay can watch the play over and over.
Corax
02-06-2006, 11:51 AM
1 - Ben didn't get it in.
2 - The Seahawk OPI was bogus
3 - The clip by the Seahawk QB was bogus
4 - <waves his Terrible Towel> GO STEELERS!
weldon
02-06-2006, 12:20 PM
I don't fully understand football rules, but I saw that the ball landed outside and the player holding the ball strechted his arms -while lying on the ground-to pass the ball past the goal line. To my understanding, it should not be called a touch down.
The key here is if he carried the ball far enough so that the tip of the ball crossed the front plane of the white line marking the end zone before he was down. It looked like he carried the ball very close to touching the plane of the end zone, was knocked backwards by the defender, and then moved the ball after he was down. The call was based on the furthest point the ball reached before he was down, not on him moving the ball after he was down.
It's a tough call, but it did seem like the tip of the ball may have just reached the edge of the end zone. It was close enough that I think it was the right call to let the play stand. The referee had a slightly different angle (and was closer) than the camera and could have seen that the tip of the ball did reach the end zone where the replay was inconclusive.
I think it was the right call to let it stand. The call of touchdown was too close to overturn the ruling on the field.
hurricanejedi
02-06-2006, 12:33 PM
If you held up a ruler at the point where he was in the air the tip of the ball touches the white line. Therefore it was a touchdown.
Corax
02-06-2006, 12:35 PM
If that TD was allowed to stand, the Seahawks TD should have been as well. As a Steelers supporter (notice I didn't say fan? They beat my Colts, so I wanted the *******s to at least win it for Bettis' sake) even I will admit that the Seahawks got screwed on several calls.
patoloco
02-06-2006, 1:13 PM
The tip of the ball? I thougt it had to cross completely the white line, just as soccer. Well, I stated I don't really understand that game, and maybe was thinking with a round ball in mind. :rolleyes:
125gJoe
02-06-2006, 1:27 PM
The meaning of "fans" as used within this topic:
...an enthusiastic devotee of sports [syn: sports fan]
Anyway...
If the majority of "fans" were for the SeaHawks, I wonder if the outcome would have been different?
Sometimes it's way too obvious the games are "thrown". Just recently I saw an Extreme Fighting match "thrown" on the very first punch that never connected.
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tomm10
02-06-2006, 1:34 PM
First, let me say I don't think it was a touchdown.
Now, the line judge thought it was. That's a pretty tough call for him to make so I see little fault with his decision as it was close and hard to see for sure in live action.
As far as the replay goes, the rule is, the referee has to see "Irrefutable evidence" that the call on the field was wrong if he is to overturn the ruling. When I watched the replay, I could not see the ball just before Ben was down. I could, however, make a reasonable estimate of where that ball was in his arm and where the ball should have been when he was down. The tip of the ball should have been over the line. In order for that referee to reverse the call, he actually would have had to see the ball not cross the line.
As a referee who only overrides the field call 23% of the time, I think he made the call in character. In a techical sense, I think he made the right call. The problem really lies with the initial call on the field which is a lot tougher to make in the moment.
Aidan thought the call was BS:
http://www.tomandjaime.com/aidan/Aidan/watchin'_the_game.jpg
hurricanejedi
02-06-2006, 1:46 PM
The tip of the ball? I thougt it had to cross completely the white line, just as soccer. Well, I stated I don't really understand that game, and maybe was thinking with a round ball in mind. :rolleyes:
No it has to touch the line. My fiance is really into football but hockey is my sport. He got confused one day about a goal and I explained it wasn't completely over the line. He started complaining that in football it only has to touch the line. Hence I learned a little more about football. I don't completely understand it still....hockeys just soo much better. But I guess thats another debate :P .
i saw it coming last week. pittsburg got too much help from the refs. no rothlesburger didnt score and the bus story line and perfect ending ruled everything. pittsburg won before they got to detroit. i got tivo the ball didnt break the plain. refs ruined the whole nfl experience of 05-06.
Dangerdoll
02-06-2006, 3:12 PM
hmmmmmmmmmm.............
I betcha I can pick out who of the members went to a superbowl party last night :D
http://bestsmileys.com/sports1/25.gif
Genral72
02-06-2006, 3:54 PM
The referees did the right thing it was too close to call so they went with there original play.
I don't think the touchdown of thread subject was a touchdown.;)
What??? Do you mean the point of the subject? I see the ;), but no, it's not an opportunity for a sore loser to whine. Anyway, I don't think the result of the play should have been ruled a touchdown. Any play that leaves anything in question as blantantly as that particular play did, shouldn't have been ruled on right away, just as one of the other members stated above. For the same reason, I understand why the call stood. I think there was sloppy playing and officiating on both sides. It's just a frickin' mess, that's all. Congrats to the Steelers anyway. I was rooting for the Seahawks btw. If it was the other way around, I would have felt the same way, because I'm an honest person. But then, in the Superbowl, who's gonna complain if a call goes their way? You take what you can get.
Slappy*McFish
02-06-2006, 6:40 PM
It was hard to say whether or not it was a touchdown...which is exactly why they couldn't over-rule the original call of it being a touchdown (not enough evidence).
I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. I forgot the comma too. I meant that the touchdown, of which this thread is discussing, did not appear to be a touchdown.
Sorry.
;)
sumthin fishy
02-06-2006, 8:39 PM
What happened to the Bud Bowl? :huh:
Dangerdoll
02-07-2006, 8:39 AM
didn't anyone see the Puppy Bowl?
(btw, my favorite commercial was with the Clydesdales.... it was adorable!)
Which Clydesdale? The game or the young guy pulling? I thought the "streaker" one was cute. And yes, the commercials do work.. I'm getting one of those Fusion razors when I find them..
Anyone else think the Rolling "STONES" lived up to that name? Keith Richards didn't know what planet he was on.. It's frickin MO-TOWN baby.. Leave the brits out, and let Motown sing its own song.. Where was James Brown? I think he was out of jail that night, he coulda done halftime and pulled it off a lot better than The Rolling Stoners... Of course, if they wanted to rock the house, IT SHOULDA BEEN KISS UP THERE! Sadly, they could have had a Motown Medley, including all the major Motown stars singing a few lines of their biggest hits and STILL paid less than the Stoners charged for those 3 pathetic songs.. Can anyone tell that I hated halftime? Bad playing, terrible reffing, horrible halftime. Other than the team I was pulling for winning, can anyone say "worst super bowl in history"? I really hate to see the Bus go out on such a scripted note. He deserved better than that gimme game.
Dangerdoll
02-07-2006, 10:37 AM
the streaker was pretty funny, got a good chuckle off of it but the little guy pulling that beer cart really tugged at my heart strings, I was pulling for that little determined fella! *sigh* clydesdale's rock!
sumthin fishy
02-07-2006, 1:52 PM
the little guy pulling that beer cart really tugged at my heart strings, I was pulling for that little determined fella! *sigh* clydesdale's rock!
I teared up on that one for sure. And I think I watched more of the puppybowl than the real game. How bout that little black labradorable puppy with the blue collar, just minding his own business, chewing away.........cuteness at its best.
FreddytheFish
02-07-2006, 3:19 PM
I thought it was a score.
tomdkat
02-07-2006, 3:27 PM
I thought it was a score.
Same here. At first, I didn't think Roethlisberger made it in but on the replay it's clear he barely broke the "plane" with the tip of the ball so technically it was a touchdown.
I think the refs made a good decision to stand by the call after the review.
Peace...
graphicdesign_r
02-07-2006, 4:13 PM
The refereeing was horrible throughout the playoffs. (yeah I'm a Pats fan and WE WAS ROBBED). When the officiating becomes more of a story than the game, it is time to repair the method by which calls are made.
Get the zebras off the field. They get in the way too much (the umpire in the Pats Broncs game may as well have tackled Deion Branch for the attempt he made to get out of the way of the play).
Have all calls made by off field officials. If I can see it on my TV, they can see it in real time on camera. Maybe then all of the holding that goes uncalled will be as obvious to the refs as it is to me watching at home (and EVERYONE does it, Pats included).
If any official makes bad calls in-season (by peer review) keep them off of the playoff officiating squads. Make refs full time employees.
I for one am sick of watching games determined by poor calls. It's frustrating.
I'm sorry, that was poorly worded. I forgot the comma too. I meant that the touchdown, of which this thread is discussing, did not appear to be a touchdown.
Sorry.
;)
Tsk, Lila... and you a writer too.... :eek: :D I know, it was the effects of the Superbowl party, huh? :soda: :coffee2:
BTW all, I only wanted to make this a short one, so I set the poll to last only 3 days. Thanks for the input!
[Edit:] oops. I just noticed for the first time that a drop dead date is noted at the top by the poll results. "This poll will close on 02-08-2006 at 08:28 PM". I know, what a dweeb. :p:
Dangerdoll
02-07-2006, 7:39 PM
I teared up on that one for sure. And I think I watched more of the puppybowl than the real game. How bout that little black labradorable puppy with the blue collar, just minding his own business, chewing away.........cuteness at its best.
I knew if anyone caught that, you did, fishy ;)
tomm10
02-08-2006, 8:33 AM
The refereeing was horrible throughout the playoffs. (yeah I'm a Pats fan and WE WAS ROBBED).
Wooh, man. There was bad officiating in the Pats game, worse than in the Superbowl IMHO because the calls were wrong, but the Pats beat themselves. Refs don't cause 5 turnovers. I'm a Pats fan too but come on, they played like crap on offense.
At least the calls in the Superbowl were tight or plays that should have been "non-calls".
graphicdesign_r
02-08-2006, 12:02 PM
Yeah, but alot of those poor calls robbed the Pats of momentum, the same way bad calls robbed the Seahawks of momentum.
Who knows what the outcome would have been without phantom pass interference, fumbles through the end zone called touchdowns and fat umps standing in the way of our plays.
I especially love it when Brady passes the ball and the dumba$$ ump isn't watching and takes it off the head. If I was QB I'd start gunning for them intentionally for screwing up the game. (hmmm. makes you wonder if he did...)