Fighting the fortuitous foe, Fungus!

mandimoron

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Fighting the formidable foe, Fungus!

I like alliteration. Anyhoo, it would appear as though my betta has some fungus issues. He looks exactly like the picture of the fungusified betta on Betta Talk (scroll down), and I mean exactly. Everything is the same, right down to the location of the yucky spot and the colouration of the fish! Since I'm an uber n00blar, I'm in need of guidance!

Background info: The betta is the sole occupant in a 1.5 gal tank with a java fern. I usually do weekly 50% water changes in his tank. Unfortunately, I don't have any numbers for water quality, since all my tests expired and went in the trash. Heh. :o As for the betta himself: apart from a shocking lack of big, fluffy bubble nests, the Grand Funk Master is behaving perfectly normally, so I don't think he's in any immediate distress. I hope I caught this early enough to save him.

What I've done so far: Last night when I noticed the problem, I scooped the betta into a drinking glass, then changed out all of his water a couple of times-- I vaccumed his gravel until there was only an inch of water left, filled the tank with treated water, and repeated. I gave the spongey thing in his filter a real good rinsing in the old water, then reassembled everything and put the betta back. I then gave the tank a dose of Melafix, and left everything alone until today.

When I got home from school, I did a 50% water change, dosed with Melafix again, and added about half a teaspoon of salt. I then went out to the pet store to find some fungus-specific meds. Betta Talk endorses using Jungle brand stuff, but I've heard mixed reviews about their products. Instead, I opted to go with "Liquid Fungus Cure" by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. When I got home, I added eight drops of it to the tank. The water is now yellowy, but the bottle says that's to be expected and is harmless.

So. Now I have questions.

1) Have I done all the right things so far? I shan't add any more salt, but do plan on continuing with daily doses of Melafix; if not for the fungus, then for my betta's fins, which he is constantly shredding somehow. That won't harm anything, will it?

2) How long does it usually take before things start to turn around? This is my first time dealing with a real fishy illness, so I have no idea how long to wait before deciding that Plan A isn't working, and trying a different strategy.

3) None of the packaging that came with the Fungus Cure said anything about repeating the treatments. I'm supposed to do another dose in two days, wait for two more days, and then change his water. That's cool, but what if he's not cured? Can I start the same regimen over with the water change and repeat it until he's all better?

4) I'm hoping that the salt and the meds won't have much of an effect on my java fern-- please tell me it won't. I didn't even think about it until after I'd already added everything to the tank. :o If need be, the fern can go visiting in the platy tank until the treatments are over, but I'd rather leave it where it is if possible, since Mr. Betta sleeps in it most nights.

Thanks for any help or advice! :bowing:
 
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hmmm... im blown away by all the stuff that you have done to get your betta healthy!
it seems that you have done all that you can, and if the meds work, then you wont have to worry about reapplying... also to prevent sickness, if at all possible, get the betta in at least a 5gal so you can have a heater and filter, then add lots of low-light plants for the betta to swim in...
 
sorry, but which pic. are you talking about? I wasn't sure which problem hes having!!
 
You've done a lot and hopefully that will do it for him.
Though Pimafix is counter fungus...so that might help too.
Some things I have noticed is that if they catch a chill they go fungus. Low 80s is nice to help.
I work in a LFS and when we get in betta they come in in bags the size of tea bags that have been tossed all over and they are STRESSED. We preventative treat them with methylene blue and stress coat, along with a low dose of super sulfa. It seems to do the job as we rarely lose a betta and even more rarely is one returned. (7 day guarantee)
 
wow oddfish it seems you do a good job at your lfs... that is rare to find a place that doesnt have a few dead/dying bettas in little cups at the front of the fish section!
 
mandimoron said:
I like alliteration. Anyhoo, it would appear as though my betta has some fungus issues. He looks exactly like the picture of the fungusified betta on Betta Talk (scroll down), and I mean exactly. Everything is the same, right down to the location of the yucky spot and the colouration of the fish! Since I'm an uber n00blar, I'm in need of guidance!

Background info: The betta is the sole occupant in a 1.5 gal tank with a java fern. I usually do weekly 50% water changes in his tank. Unfortunately, I don't have any numbers for water quality, since all my tests expired and went in the trash. Heh. :o As for the betta himself: apart from a shocking lack of big, fluffy bubble nests, the Grand Funk Master is behaving perfectly normally, so I don't think he's in any immediate distress. I hope I caught this early enough to save him.

What I've done so far: Last night when I noticed the problem, I scooped the betta into a drinking glass, then changed out all of his water a couple of times-- I vaccumed his gravel until there was only an inch of water left, filled the tank with treated water, and repeated. I gave the spongey thing in his filter a real good rinsing in the old water, then reassembled everything and put the betta back. I then gave the tank a dose of Melafix, and left everything alone until today.

When I got home from school, I did a 50% water change, dosed with Melafix again, and added about half a teaspoon of salt. I then went out to the pet store to find some fungus-specific meds. Betta Talk endorses using Jungle brand stuff, but I've heard mixed reviews about their products. Instead, I opted to go with "Liquid Fungus Cure" by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. When I got home, I added eight drops of it to the tank. The water is now yellowy, but the bottle says that's to be expected and is harmless.

So. Now I have questions.

1) Have I done all the right things so far? I shan't add any more salt, but do plan on continuing with daily doses of Melafix; if not for the fungus, then for my betta's fins, which he is constantly shredding somehow. That won't harm anything, will it?

2) How long does it usually take before things start to turn around? This is my first time dealing with a real fishy illness, so I have no idea how long to wait before deciding that Plan A isn't working, and trying a different strategy.

3) None of the packaging that came with the Fungus Cure said anything about repeating the treatments. I'm supposed to do another dose in two days, wait for two more days, and then change his water. That's cool, but what if he's not cured? Can I start the same regimen over with the water change and repeat it until he's all better?

4) I'm hoping that the salt and the meds won't have much of an effect on my java fern-- please tell me it won't. I didn't even think about it until after I'd already added everything to the tank. :o If need be, the fern can go visiting in the platy tank until the treatments are over, but I'd rather leave it where it is if possible, since Mr. Betta sleeps in it most nights.

Thanks for any help or advice! :bowing:
Mandimoron,

The Betta, among a long list of others, is a fish that is seriously abused by the casual fish fancier as well as the experienced hobbyist. Few people understand the needs of 'tropical' fish especially when it comes to water quality. In my opinion the majority of fish ailments are related to water quality. Fix the water and the fish will thrive - in most cases.

The Betta simply survives in a small bowl at winter temperatures of 65 degrees or less typical in homes in the northeast.

These delicate creatures that give us so much pleasure are at our mercy. I think that they deserve much more. I promise you this - if you invest in a larger home with adequate filtration and the proper temperature (78F) you will be rewarded with a healthy and beautiful pet that will rival the best photos you've ever seen. Good luck and best wishes.

Stevieg
 
my betta is in a 50 gal community planted. she has started fin shredding every time water conditions are slightly out of favor. she shows signs of stress even before my shrimp in most cases. if your bettas symptoms are more than that... i agree your conditions are most likely majorly infavorable. i'd wager that you are shocking your betta nightly or weekly with cold water either from night drops or water changes. there is also a good chance you may be shocking your betta with an ammonia spike after every water change in such a small enclosure. this is also likely to affect your plant. as far as salt is concerned... your java fern should fare better than your betta. meds on the other hand are likely to not be too good for your plant. i would also wonder why noone has visited the possibility of chlorine poisoning your betta. if you are using a municipal water source be sure to get a de-chlorinator that treats for chloramine and only chlorine and chloramine. mix this according to directions in another bucket/aquarium prior to adding to your fish tank.

i am sorry if any of this is obvious, but if your setup is the issue medicating will only worsen it. if you finish your treatments to no avail... try improving size and setup with atleast a 5 gallon, heater and at least an airstone and sponge if not a small filter with venturi air. remember the larger the tank the easier it is to stabilize and less concentrated any toxins will be in theory.

if i am wrong... let me have it i can take it. ;)
 
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