The tank of mysterious melting plants

echoofformless

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I have a 5 gallon tank for one of my bettas which I planted pretty heavily with anacharis, java fern, rotala indica, corkscrew vals and cabomba. I have two mini pc bulbs, 10 watts each. My substrate is medium grade silica sand and my filter is a small Hagen Stingray. No need for heat as the temp stays at around 78-80 on its own.

The rotala and the cabomba seem to do okay, and the anacharis is kind of hit and miss.

But the vals and the java fern keep rotting and melting away consistently. The anacharis is both healthy in some places but falling apart in others. The cabomba seems to be doing worse lately, and there is just a mess of rotting plant detritus all over the place that I can't seem to make a dent in no matter how much I vacuum when I do water changes.

Hair algae has made a recent appearance, but it's very minor and only seen when closely examined. All of my tanks get a bit of hair algae, as Philadelphia water is loaded with phosphates.

But the hair algae is inconsequential; in fact it's quite difficult to tell what is hair algae and what is rotting plant debris. I'm at my wits end here, as I have five other planted tanks and none of them have ever showed such odd signs of who knows what.

All parameters are good. No ammonia or nitrite, hardly any nitrates. pH at 6.8. Residents are one male betta, two corys and an oto.

I also want to mention that all of the plants in this tank have kin in other tanks. That is, much of it is from cuttings or split from bunches purchased where other stems from the bunch went into other tanks. So that eliminates the possibility that I bought crappy plant stock.

My gf asked if maybe the sand we used in this tank was somehow not good for it. But it's plain old 100% silica, medium grain. Tested it with acid and vinegar and it came off as inert. Plus the java fern is melting and turning brown, and that's not even planted in the substrate whereas the rotala is...and the rotala is the only plant that isn't showing serious problems.

Gah!!!
 
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Any fertilizers etc being added?
 
I have (had) two pretty much identical 5 gallon planted betta tanks. Both tanks had same plants, bought at same time, same place. One tank's plants have thrived so much I have to cull them out, floating plants will not survive in this tank. Other tank I lost all planted plants, and floating plants grow like crazy. Difference - a piece of driftwood. The tank where the plants died out also has minimal but noticeable hair algae. But since I love the floating plants so much and they do so well in that tank I have left the driftwood and continue to propagate them and have given Ghost fake ground plants to play in...
Take care,
Mary.
 
echoofformless said:
....All parameters are good. No ammonia or nitrite, hardly any nitrates. pH at 6.8....

Well i don't know what exactly that means - but i'd add some and see if that improves the situation. 10-20ppm should be ok.
How about phosphates ?
 
our philadelphia tapwater contains a significant amount of phosphates for tapwater. nitrates out of the tap are about 15 ppm.

i just don't understand how only one of our tanks is giving us this problem when they all have the same source water.

the rotala and the cryptocoryne crispatula are doing well, but our java ferns are disintegrating, the cabomba is falling apart, and the anacharis is about 50/50(some stalks are the picture of perfect health, others are turning brown and melting).

lighting is 2x10w mini-pc bulbs (all-glass 6500k). we use these in our 2.5g betta tanks and the plants are growing like weeds.

once in a while we dose flourish (maybe once a month on average), but again, this is how we treat all our plants and they are thriving everywhere else.

the mystery continues... it just doesn't seem to follow any scientific understanding or reason. it seems that there is no variable to isolate.
 
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How long have they been in there? My tank has crypts (they are notorious for melting) and they occasionally melted at first. They still have a leaf or two that do occasionally, but less often. I think they needed time to root and get established. That is a lot of light for 5 gallons. That much light will really speed up their metabolism and use nutrients quicker. Try dosing with some fourish or something like that and see if it helps.

BTW, just because they melt doesn't mean they are dying. I have had whole plants melt, and they grew back.
 
The really funny thing is that the crypts aren't melting any more in this tank than they do in our other tanks! haha Our java fern is the one actually melting! Of all plants...the java fern? Maybe it's more disintegrating than melting; but it's scary to see a plant that is tough as nails in every other tank I have it just slowly falling apart like this.


The cabomba isn't thrilled, though it's hanging on. And the anacharis is 50/50. (some stalks are lush, leafy and a beautiful jade green color while others are browning and falling apart.)

The rotala indica is looking just fine. Good leaf structure, healthy medium green color; uppermost leaves a slight purple.

I might start dosing with Flourish a little more often to see if it helps, but I'm also starting to get a bit of hair algae so I don't want to take any chances of fertilizing more algae than I do plants.
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From my limited experience, I had a huge break out of algae and melting plants. I am currently dosing 10-20ppm of nitrate and everything looks fantastic. I believe that algae can get nitrate from air and thrive in nutrient deficient water. Try boosting your nitrate levels. Just my .01
 
echoofformless said:
The really funny thing is that the crypts aren't melting any more in this tank than they do in our other tanks! haha Our java fern is the one actually melting! Of all plants...the java fern? Maybe it's more disintegrating than melting; but it's scary to see a plant that is tough as nails in every other tank I have it just slowly falling apart like this.
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That is kind of strange. Java fern are supposed to be the plants that even a dog could raise in a fish tank without much trouble. Strange.
 
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