Favorite Guns

[UncaBret]

Okay, all you shooters out there; what is your favorite?

Mine are my S&W 586+ Mountain Gun and my WWII era M1 carbine.
The S&W is light and shoots great with either .38s or .357s. Nice grip, too.
The M1 was made in Sept '44, but shoots great. Been refinished but the numbers on receiver and barrel match.

[TKOS]

I am just finsihing cleaning up a 39" India Pattern British Flintlock Musket. Very pretty gun.

I previously worked on a Schneider Enfield Breech Loader.

I don't get to fire them but I get to watch as the experts do. Nice guns.

[JinxXx0085]

I don't have a favorite gun yet. I've been thinking about looking into getting springfield XD 40 cal.
Currently, I, personally only have mini 14 and ruger mark II pistol (.22 cal).
The .22 is fun to shoot. And the mini 14 looks great, I got it new stock, bipod, and scope. All black. :bowing:

[aknif]

I just love to shoot my Daddy's old shotgun.... I honestly don't even know what brand it is. He's hunted with it for probably 25 years and loans it to me when I go hunting. It has a modified barrel and it just seems to fit me. I don't know why. I could shoot clays all day with it and if you're a pheasant.... Well, it's just not safe!

;)

[DirkW]

Mine is a .22 Colt Woodsman Match Target. It has a weighted 6.5" barrell, extended wood grips, and wide trigger; completely original from the factory. The gun's center of gravity is at the pivot point for the trigger. I inherited it from my Grandfather who purchased it new, I believe in 1953. I have the original box, users' manual, and the test-fire target from the factory.

Years ago, when I was competing, I would fire at least 500 rounds a week through it. In addition to the sentimental value, it's a joy to shoot. Semi-auto with a 10 round clip, barely any barrel lift from the recoil, and it's a whole lot cheaper to fire than a .45.

[Lila]

I've had limited experience with firearms. But when it comes to going to the shooting range, I prefer to shoot the .44 mag rifle. :) I think I got that right.

Lila

[cyberbeer65]

Mine is my Remington .30 06 semi automatic rifle my Grandpa gave me before he died in 1993.

[daveedka]

Ahh, how to pick a favorite.

Rimfire rifle: Marlin Model 39A golden.
Centerfire rifle: Marlin Model 1895 (not the carbine) 45-70 government
Shotgun: Fox Model BSE 20 ga side by side
Revolver: Colt anaconda Stainless
Pistol: Ruger P-90 .45 ACP
Primative: Traditions Pennsylvania rifle .50 cal

In any of those categories I could name quite a few runner-ups, but I guess that would be my best of show list.

And BTW DirkW I'm a huge fan of the little colts as well.

Dave

[slipknottin]

I chose calibers first, guns second.

That being said. My favorite handguns are H&Ks, Ive got a compact .40. Im looking to get a M14 with a synthetic stock as my next rifle. And I need some type of autoloading shotgun, but havent got anything decided.

I have to research some florida laws and see how/if i can get a NFA/class 3 permit.

[patoloco]

Guns n' Roses. :)

I really miss that band.

[joephys]

Slash is the man.

50 cal. machine gun.

[Watcher74]

Guns I have shot...

410 and 20/20 shotgun, 357 pistol and rifle, 9 mil, 38, and 45 pistols, .22 and 30/30 rifles, 50 Cal(actually still in use in the military even though it was made in WWII and had over 150 kills in its use), M60, M-14. Probably others but I can't remember what they were.

Other weapons...

M-79 grenade launcher, Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

Favorite? I've always cherished M60s. But I'm not really sure why.

But I really prefer blades. Fixed blades. Daggers, knives, or swords. And not the fantasy type. I abhor those. I like solid, strong, and beautifully simple blades that are designed for hard use. Even if I never use them to cut anything.

[Salvini]

Desert Eagle Mark XIX, .50 cal.
Now that's a pistol. ;)

[test4echo]

Heckler & Koch G36C with a sniper conversion kit

[wolverine25]

My dad bought me a Yogoslavian SKS. It's a very fun gun to shoot and fairly cheap to shoot. We got out to the gravel pit where he works and shoot pop bottles up and down the gravel hills. He has an old Spring Field that is really fun to shoot also and very accurate.

Emery

[xauz]

hmmmm so many options :p:

My .270 bolt Savage is nice
I love my Mossberg pump 12 gauge
I have a .22 pump that my grandfather shot so much the rifling is gone but it's still accurate
I have a really old single shot 12 gauge that was my great, great grandfather's, but that doesn't get use as the break wobbles a bit
My old .32 winchester special lever action is a great brush gun
Then my grandfather's side-by-side 12 gauge is nice for bird hunting

[125gJoe]

Mossberg 12 gauge pump shotgun -- It has a short barrel and the stock has been replaced with a pistol grip for my private property use (home). The short barrel is more effective at close range. So I've been told...

I'd like to have a Glock, but can't decide on 9mm or 45 cal. ...


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[case_rums]

My first favorite is my great-grandfathers 1909 .22 remington. It's been passed from my GG to my grandfather, to my dad, to me. One of these days it'll go to my son.

My second favorite is this prototype side by side 12 gauge Winchester. My Great grandfather was a security guard for winchester. They were going to destroy their prototypes and he snagged that one.

It's pretty cool owning two rare guns.

[FreddytheFish]

Hmm...well, I'd have to say an m203 grenade launcher...or maybe an RPG-17...

Just kidding! Well, right now I have a youth matched pair .22/20, and its the only gun I've ever owned.

[UncaBret]

I'd like to have a Glock, but can't decide on 9mm or 45 cal. ...


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Forget both, go with a .40. :idea2:

Of the semi-autos I've owned I have to say the Browning Hi-Power was the best. Great trigger, accurate, reliable, lightweight. I think I will get another.

[daveedka]

Forget both, go with a .40.

I personally would advise the .40 be avoided. Obviously to each their own, and the best test is to go to the range and do some shooting. People like what they like, so if .40 ends up being the one you like great but:

Here are my thoughts and experiences:
9mm is a small caliber low power round like the 38 special (Ballistically it's almost identical) Small caliber low power rounds are not good for much of anything but range shooting. So if you wish for anything other than a fun gun to shoot at the range I would discount the 9mm. Our police officers are far too often forced to carry 9's, because for some reason the .45 is considered too dangerous to shoot someone with (I don't get it) The .40 has become very popular because it is far superior to the 9 mm, but doesn't have the negative political stigma that the .45 has. In other words the .40 does the job but for some reason people aren't as scared of it. If I had to chose between a 9mm and a .40 I'd definately go with the .357 Sig.

Every .40 I ever shot had as much or more recoil than the same model pistol in .45 ACP. So to me you give up some size and power while still tolerating the recoil and noise. The .45 ACP is a long standing proven round, The .40 is by all respects a good round. but all things being equal why give up the size and power while still tolerating the noise and recoil.

You can get higher capacity magazines in 9mm and .40, but then if you have enough power to do the job in the first place, additional extra ammo isn't a concern.

Either way the .40 and .45 are both good rounds, I just can't see ever owning a .40.

Another option to look at would be the .357 sig. I've only fired a handfull of them, but the seem to have all the pros of the .357 mag without the recoil, and they feed well through a semi auto.

I generally do all of my recoil testing with my Daughter. I don't notice the subtle differences as well as she does. She handles her .45 well enough, but likes the .357 sig much better. She did not at all like the .40

Dave

[UncaBret]

I generally do all of my recoil testing with my Daughter. I don't notice the subtle differences as well as she does. She handles her .45 well enough, but likes the .357 sig much better. She did not at all like the .40

Dave
I bought the 586+ for my daughter to shoot, she got bored of the .22 after her first session and started on my .45 and 10mm revolvers! I've mixed .38s and .357s in it and she can't tell the difference.

[slipknottin]

Hmm...well, I'd have to say an m203 grenade launcher...or maybe an RPG-17...


You can own those legally..

[slipknottin]

Every .40 I ever shot had as much or more recoil than the same model pistol in .45 ACP. So to me you give up some size and power while still tolerating the recoil and noise. The .45 ACP is a long standing proven round, The .40 is by all respects a good round. but all things being equal why give up the size and power while still tolerating the noise and recoil.

The recoil is just different IMO, the .45 pushes you back more, the .40 snaps upwards more. If you practice with the .40 enough, you can easily deal with the recoil.

[UncaBret]

Where's Native American? I figured he'd be weighing in on this one.

[DirkW]

The recoil is just different IMO, the .45 pushes you back more, the .40 snaps upwards more. If you practice with the .40 enough, you can easily deal with the recoil.
The biggest difference in recoil in my experience is between revolvers and semi-auto's. All else being equal, a really hot load is easier to handle on a revolver. A Black Hawk .44 mag just feel right when you loosen your grip on the bottom two fingers, let the barrel come up, and the handle slides along the web between your thumb and index finger. But if you fire more than a dozen rounds, it sure helps to wear a glove.

You can lessen the kick on any gun by porting the barrel. It's a common modification for combat pistol competitors.

[125gJoe]

I still wonder...........

45cal.

or,

9mm..


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[DirkW]

9mm is a small caliber low power round like the 38 special (Ballistically it's almost identical) Small caliber low power rounds are not good for much of anything but range shooting. So if you wish for anything other than a fun gun to shoot at the range I would discount the 9mm. Our police officers are far too often forced to carry 9's, because for some reason the .45 is considered too dangerous to shoot someone with (I don't get it)I don't carry consealed, but if I needed to, I'd be quite comfortable carrying a 9mm. When it comes to personal protection, you don't need to fall small trees or fire a round into an engine block. All you need to do is fire quickly and accurately. A .22LR hollow point would be suitable in 95% of live fire situations. If you want stopping power, use a 12G shotgun with buckshot or a rifled slug. If you want penetration, use an AR-15 with jacketed rounds. For me, handguns are all about fun on the range!

[slipknottin]

I still wonder...........

45cal.

or,

9mm..


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9mm is whimpy IMHO.

I use .40 or .45, depending on how i want to carry.

[daveedka]

Joe, If you have to decide between the .45 and the 9mm, Find someone who'll let you shoot both at the range and then buy yourself a .45 ACP. Or just take the high road and buy one of each.
My personal Experience is that A 9 doesn't have enough pwer to serve as a self defense weapon. I know personally of one istance where a mans wallet cought quite a few 9mm bullets. The wallet was in his chest pocket and effectively stopped every round the officers put into the wallet. Fortunately for those officers they did not hit the wallet every time but had they the results could have been hazardous. If something as simple a leather wallet will stop a 9 mm, I don't wish to trust my life to it, and don't think our officers should be forced to either. One of those officers was a family memeber, and it did nothing to help his opinion of the 9mm.
The 9mm is one of the biggest reasons the .40 has become popular with Law enforcement. The military did the same experiments years ago with the 38 and the .45 ACP. Military personel could actually shoot and kill attackers with .38's and still end up dead because the .38 would not stop the attacker. The .45 ACP provided enough energy to actually stop the attack and protect the person using it.

The films several years ago of LA's finest Shooting it out with fully armored bank robbers was the real Tell tale view. The 9mm did not carry enough impact to knock an armored man down. Shooting through the armor would not have been necessary to incapacitate the bank robbers. knocking them down would have sufficed to at least help the situation. A .45 ACP fired into a Kevlar Vest will produce enough energy transfer to knock most men down. Multiple rounds from multiple officers would have definately put a stop to the situation in LA that day. There were plenty of opportunities for precision shooting with a 9 mm but in the situation trained practiced law enforcement officers were not capable of pinpointing their shot that perfectly. It seems likely that in a tense situation It may be hard to hit a target perfectly every time. The men Wearing the armor that day knew exactly what the Officers had to work with and they were not even scared of being shot with 9 mm's.

In any case if a range gun is all you are after, then the 9 would be great. I own a couple of 9's and several .38 specials that go to the range frequently. They are inexpensive and enjoyable with paper targets.

If it's a self defense weapon (In a pistol of course) then something larger would serve better. To Ad lib (I can't quote verbatum it's been too long) Colonel Jeff Cooper. With the recent popularity in small caliber self defense weapons, it would seem fitting that someone design a moving target the size of a ping pong ball so people could become proficient at perfectly hitting targets the size of the human eye


and DirkW I definately agree for close range stopping power the 12ga shotgun is about as good as it gets. It's just really hard to get the old double barrel in the shoulder holster. ;)

dave

[Jay-Stew]

Why of course the lever action Red Ryder w/compass in the tailstock BB gun!! :laugh:

[UncaBret]

Why of course the lever action Red Ryder w/compass in the tailstock BB gun!! :laugh:
You'll shoot your eye out!

(Great movie!)

[Slappy*McFish]

Heckler & Koch G36C with a sniper conversion kit

NICE. How's the accuracy on that thing?

[Jay-Stew]

Good when I'm wearing my glasses!!

[test4echo]

NICE. How's the accuracy on that thing?

I don't have it as a REAL gun. LOL. Just messing around. I play airsoft.

[Slappy*McFish]

it's ok. I throw rocks.

[test4echo]

Does anyone here play airsoft?

[3onspeed]

factory engraved pre-war westley richards .425 magnum express rifle

cant beat the classics

[DirkW]

factory engraved pre-war westley richards .425 magnum express rifle

cant beat the classicsHow much does a box of ammo cost?

[wesleydnunder]

Favorite rifle is my Rem. 700VLS, .308 cal. It touches rounds at 200 yd. For pistol I like the old 1911 .45 cal. Freshour's .50 cal. semi- auto is awesome too.

Mark

[125gJoe]

Thanks for the advice on Glock rounds. I think the .45 would be best overall, and I'm sure it would be more readily available than the 40 too.

[slipknottin]

Thanks for the advice on Glock rounds. I think the .45 would be best overall, and I'm sure it would be more readily available than the 40 too.

.40 is very popular round now.

[3onspeed]

How much does a box of ammo cost?
A lot. I'm not exactly sure. But its classic, so it uses the old fashion stuff

[born2lovefish]

double barrel shot guns are sweet, especially if you shoot both barrels at the same time!!!

[S.A.]

My favorite gun was my S&W 44 Mag 629 revolver w/3inch barrell. D@#n it would kick but it was sooo nice. The 629 is pretty easy to find in a 6 inch, but only a limited number of short barrells were made. Unfortunately during my divorce I had to sell it for grocery money, the guy who got it made out! :sad:

I still glare at my ex-husband when I think of all the guns I had to sell AND I still walked out with all the bills and him only having to pay $50/mo in child support. :OT: But I am out and better for it, guns can be replaced - usually.

[slipknottin]

Decided on the M14(variant) im getting next

Shes a beaut
http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml

[Walker_]

my personal fave.... a bit of a PITA to take with me when I go down town however....



http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/joukot/tykpr/122_h_63a.jpg

[125gJoe]

By now, and with such incredible imaginations here...
I thought someone would have posted this:

The Davy Crockett and W54 Nuclear Warhead

Link: http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/davy_crockett.htm

As you can see in the last photo, you can even carry it around, ready for use wherever your Jeep might take you. Make sure it's legal in your area!


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[UncaBret]

Unfortunately during my divorce I had to sell it for grocery money, .
I understand that. I just recently got back to work after being fired almost 2 years ago. Sold most of my collection to pay bills.
Once I get that check for 21 months back pay, however...

[UncaBret]

Bought my 11 year old son a Rossi Youth Combo this week. Interchangable .22 and .410 barrels. We can't wait to try it out!

[125gJoe]

Bought my 11 year old son a Rossi Youth Combo this week. Interchangable .22 and .410 barrels. We can't wait to try it out!That would be fun for target practice. The rounds don't cost much either.

I used to be able to shoot at cans, etc. of the St. Johns River. Now, with all the so called "progress", you would likely get in big trouble shooting on the waterway. Times have changed, and a lot since the late '70's....

[Native American]

Where's Native American? I figured he'd be weighing in on this one.

UncaBret, I'm a slooooooow reader, sir.

My least favorite: Rem Mod 700BDL Safari Grade in .458 Win Mag. Ooooh, it looks beautiful with that bull barrel and nicely finished stock, but the Pachmaryr recoil pad isn't enough...I have to have my wife stand on my back to restack my vertebrae after only 3 shots at the range. I'm afraid to get a muzzle brake, because the increase in noise will obliterate what's left of my ancient hearing. Makes shooting 12 gauge 3" magnum loads feel like a breeze, relatively speaking.

Favorites: FAL type rifles; M1A (civvie version of M14); and I like the AR15 design.

All-time Favorite: Ruger 10/22. After a day at the range w/ the above types, I feel like I'm taking food off the table to pay for ammo. I never feel guilty going through a brick of .22LR.

v/r, N-A

[Native American]

I understand that. I just recently got back to work after being fired almost 2 years ago. Sold most of my collection to pay bills.
Once I get that check for 21 months back pay, however...

Seriously, those are multiple tragedies.

Off topic, but I need to commend you for your poise. My writing would be pretty "angry sounding".

v/r, N-A

[msouth468]

Ruger 10/22 Long Rifle is my favorite gun. It is cheap, easy to handle, accurate and fun for hours.

[DirkW]

All-time Favorite: Ruger 10/22. After a day at the range w/ the above types, I feel like I'm taking food off the table to pay for ammo. I never feel guilty going through a brick of .22LR.Ruger 10/22 Long Rifle is my favorite gun. It is cheap, easy to handle, accurate and fun for hours.Ahhh yes, put untold cases of ammo through my Rugar 10/22 while growing up and as a young adult. Since those years, I've gone exclusively to handguns.

[msouth468]

That reminds me. I need to clean mine out.

[UncaBret]

That reminds me. I need to clean mine out.
Wanna clean mine, while you're at it? :)
Had a 10/22 but it was too picky, so I traded it for a Rem. 572 pump.
I am thinking about getting an FAL or M1A/M14.

Thanks for the compliment NA!

[slipknottin]

I am thinking about getting an FAL or M1A/M14.


http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-socom-ii.shtml

;)

[nursie]

My hubby bought me a little .22 handgun when were were first married. I worked in a large hospital in the area in a not so good neighborhood and he thought I should carry it in my purse for protection. Very thoughtful, but if one of our recovering head injury patinents would have gotten ahold of it...not good!! And I would have been in BIG trouble.

[slipknottin]

My hubby bought me a little .22 handgun when were were first married. I worked in a large hospital in the area in a not so good neighborhood and he thought I should carry it in my purse for protection. Very thoughtful, but if one of our recovering head injury patinents would have gotten ahold of it...not good!! And I would have been in BIG trouble.

Not to mention a .22 lacks considerably in stopping power. You can put 3+ shots through someone and they still come for you.

[NatakuTseng]

Winchester Model 94 in .25-.35 cal. as well as the .30-.30 model. I have both, the 25-35 is around 100 years old, while the 30-30 is around 90. Both were rifles passed down to my grandfather from his dad, to my father, and now to me. I love shooting the .25-.35, and glad to see they put that caliber back into production after such a long stretch without it, but at over $1 a shell its a bit pricey to shoot.

Other than that, you can't go wrong with a Ruger.

the 10/22 has to be the best small caliber semi auto .22 out there, what a great little rifle.

The Mini 30s and Mini 14s are also excellent rifles, I've owned both and always enjoyed shooting them, the Mini 30s make great deer guns, and the shells are cheap.


Another very good all around Firearm and Muzzleloader....the Thompson Center Encore, extremely versitile, get different barrels to go from a Muzzleloader to a shotgun to a firearm. Awesome single shot gun.

I don't play airsoft, but I am an avid paintball player, my Marker of choice is a custom built E2'ed Autococker, and an Eclipse Ego.

[Native American]

I am thinking about getting an FAL or M1A/M14.

Thanks for the compliment NA!
Oh, you are most welcome. I am glad you are contemplating getting back into the shooting sports.

Both of those choices are seriously fine rifles. My M1A Super Match is over 25 years old, but still drives tacks (maybe 4,000 rounds total through it so far). Any M1A of any grade is a good one...I like 'em all!

The FAL (DSA SA58 is my particular version) is so incredibly reliable and easy to shoulder...no wonder 93 countries adopted it as a standard battle rifle. It has the nickname "Right Arm of the Free World".

Sure will be a tough decision to decide which one to get.

Now I absolutely have to get that kitchen pass and march my happy butt down to the local range, right soon! Of course, in addition to the above, the 10/22 will tag along as well. As usual, the M700BDL will stay locked up. I need to do some weight training before I try that beast out again.

Winchester Model 94 in .25-.35 cal. as well as the .30-.30 model. I have both,...

Other than that, you can't go wrong with a Ruger.

the 10/22 has to be the best small caliber semi auto .22 out there, what a great little rifle.

Another very good all around Firearm and Muzzleloader....the Thompson Center Encore, extremely versitile, get different barrels to go from a Muzzleloader to a shotgun to a firearm. Awesome single shot gun.


I'm amazed at the versatility of the Encore system. Also, I can't believe you've got the M94 in 25-35 WCF. That was originally the present .257 calibre pushed by 35 grains of blackpowder...amazing how time marches on, and now ammo is offered w/ smokeless powder.

A lot of people on this site are marksmen, it seems. I never expected this thread on an aquarium site! :)

v/r, N-A

[daveedka]

the 10/22 has to be the best small caliber semi auto .22 out there, what a great little rifle.

This is a hard point to argue against, I don't like the look or really even the feel of the 10-22, but every time we go to the range it gets more rounds put thrugh it than any other rimfire I own. There is something about the blocky little ruger that is just fun to work with.

A lot of people on this site are marksmen, it seems. I never expected this thread on an aquarium site!

I'll have to admit I've been a bi suprised at the response to this thread as well.

Dave

[ecbmelton]

yea but when they get 2 in the chest and 1 in the head whos gunna know the diff?
9mm is my fav 17 in the clip 1 in the hole, i love it!!!

[msouth468]

yea but when they get 2 in the chest and 1 in the head whos gunna know the diff?
9mm is my fav 17 in the clip 1 in the hole, i love it!!!


My father was in the military, and he told me that the whole 2 in the chest one in the head thing was complet Hollywood. He always said that when you are actually in battle you just try to shoot the enemy and conserve ammo.

But, anyway...

I've got a Winchester model 1300 20 gauge shotgun. I've used it for basically all forms of my hunting. Everything from ducks to deer. I don't have a varied assortment of firearms. I just go with what is reasonably priced and will last.

[slipknottin]

My father was in the military, and he told me that the whole 2 in the chest one in the head thing was complet Hollywood. He always said that when you are actually in battle you just try to shoot the enemy and conserve ammo.



I can tell you that they do teach double taps and two to the chest one to the head in both police and military training.

But that tends to be more for close quaters fighting. For the longer range firefights you generally just try to hit anything.

[Native American]

I can tell you that they do teach double taps and two to the chest one to the head in both police and military training.

But that tends to be more for close quaters fighting. For the longer range firefights you generally just try to hit anything.A combat pistol is always for close range. Always, and only because you have nothing better to fight with. I would trade my 9mm service sidearm for something bigger any day. 3 shots means more time exposed to an adversary at close quarters. I'd prefer one shot=one casualty, press on to the next engagement.

If the fight is going to go beyond "arm's length", a pistol then only becomes something you use to fight your way to a rifle, and then to get something bigger, ad infinitum until the fight resolves itself to one side or the other..

v/r, N-A

[slipknottin]

Always, and only because you have nothing better to fight with.

There are situations where I would prefer a sidearm over a rifle.

[UncaBret]

Rats, the two decent gunstores in B/N have both closed!
Anyone know of a good one in central IL.?

[dirtydawg10]

I love my Sig Sauer P239. It is a great gun to shoot & to carry.

[z71silverado98]

my Hi-Point C-9 :clap:

[Bucho]

My buddy just got a Beretta Storm. 9mm semi auto with a 16 in carbine barrel. Tons of fun to shoot

Otherwise Savage 22 Mag
Mossberg 500 Pump
270 Winchester

[Native American]

There are situations where I would prefer a sidearm over a rifle.I agree. I just don't ever want to be in a situation where a sidearm is the weapon of choice because the tactical situation dictates it...but much better to have one if a really bad situation is thrust upon you.

At those ranges the adversary has a greatly increased chance of scoring a disabling hit as well. I'd rather clear a house w/ a short-barrel AR w/ the telestock closed...but I'd rather not, period, w/ anything, if you get my meaning. My brother has had to do this sort of work, and it is not for the faint of heart or for those with lengthy reaction times.

Right now, my issue arm is the Beretta M82 (M9 in the DoD). Reliable, high capacity, but lower on the stopping power scale. There are better choices, as the Marines and Army are finding out.

So, to avoid topic drift, My Favorite in the semi-auto pistol category: HK USP in .45ACP or the Wilson Combat KZ-45. To me, it's a tie. I like the feel of the HK, but the grip angle of the 1911-series arms are quite good, too. The cartridge is battle-proven in numerous wars. Not an easy choice, for me at least, but one will be my next purchase.
270 WinchesterThe late Jack O'Connor is probably smiling in heaven over that choice...his favorite. :)

v/r, N-A

[rosita]

A Tank!!!!!!!! Fully loaded!!!!!!! Yeah, baby!!!! :laugh:

[Native American]

A Tank!!!!!!!! Fully loaded!!!!!!! Yeah, baby!!!! :laugh:I just can't see you on the crew, receiving the loading response and yelling over ICS "ON THE WAY!!!" :D ...but I can see you driving one w/ "Rosita" painted on the tube.

v/r, N-A

[NatakuTseng]

Off Topic I know...but when it comes right down to it, I would much rather shoot my bow any day over a firearm.

Just somethin about it, probably that Native American blood comin to the surface in me.

My favorite all time bow was a PSE Polaris I had, now shooting a PSE Sidewinder with the Arson cam.