Cichlids for a 20 gallon aquarium

[Jighead]

I am busy looking at fish for my 20 gallon aquarium, and i think that a pair of small cichlids would be perfect for my tank. However i have absolutely no clue when it comes to anything about cichlids.

So far my stocking list contains -

6-8 Black neon tetras
6-8 Glowlight tetras
5 species of corydora


Someoned suggested that i had room for show fish and a pair of small cichlids would look good in my tank. So if it is not too much trouble could you please suggest some commonly available small cichlids?

Ones that i have heard about are:

Bolivian Rams
Blue Rams
Kribs
Apistos
Convicts

I know a small amount about Bolivian Rams but know next to nothing about the other four, i dont even know what they look like.


Thanks - Jighead

[wannabefishguru]

blue rams seems to be a good choice now days, very colorful and from what i have heard if you get a true mated pair then you can easily breed.

[Jighead]

I have done some searches, and i remember seeing blue rams and bolivian rams at my local fish store. Are Blue rams and Bolivian rams compatible? I am really liking the idea of a cichlid tank and may get another 20 gallon. Would it be fine to keep a pair of Bolivian and a pair Blue rams in same tank?

EDIT: I have done alot of internet searches and have fallen in love with the blue and bolivian rams. Tomorrow i am going out to buy another 20 gallon.
The question is are the two compatible? I plan on getting a pair of each.

Also any other tips and general knowledge on the two would be appreciated




- Jighead

[wannabefishguru]

sorry pal but this is where i can't help you for that question. but any other question i might be able to ask.

[stingray4540]

I know the bolivian and german blue rams are compatible, but I'm not sure if 20 gallons is big enough for 2 mating pairs. If you like the rams, google apistos, especially the apistograma cackatoo. Kribensis are also very cool fish. The rams tend to be fragile depending on were they are from. If you do get german blue rams, make sure they are from the states or europe. The ones from asia die, I have never been able to keep one alive, and noone I've talkked to either. I do have one from germany and I love him.

[TetraFreak]

Bolivian Rams are actually a better choice than the blue rams.

Bolivians are a more hearty fish and better suited for a beginner. Check on Aquabid for B. Rams (or M. Altispinosa) if your LFS supply is questionable as they may get them from asian source rather than domestic or European bred.

I got my Bolivians from a US breeder and WOW! they arrived in good health & colored up to a pretty yellow within a couple hours after being aclimated.

Also, my rams are in a 55 with all tetras. Gotta watch out if you want cories in the same tank because a spawning pair of rams will totally OWN the cories and potentially harm them to protect their brood!

[mooman]

I would strongly suggest no other bottom dwellers (cories or loaches) for dwarf cichlids. It can work in larger tanks, but any species of dwarf cichlid would consider the entire 20g it's territory, and most likely make life miserable for the cories.

Although rams are pretty mild, I still would not suggest more than one pair for anything smaller than a 30g (36 in tank). Dwarf cichlids are small, but their territory sizes are surprisingly large when kept in aquariums.


You could do two schools of 6 tetras each plus a pair of rams, but that would be absolute max for that tank. Personally, I would do 10-12 of the same species of tetras, plus the rams. Aestetically, I think it would look alot nicer. As for a "show" fish, no room reall. If you wanted to keep an angel or dwarf gourami as a upper level centerpiece I suppose you could, but you'd have to limit the number of tetras to around 6.

[Jighead]

[QUOTE]Although rams are pretty mild, I still would not suggest more than one pair for anything smaller than a 30g (36 in tank). Dwarf cichlids are small, but their territory sizes are surprisingly large when kept in aquariums.[QUOTE]




What is the minimum size tank for just one pair of either blue or bolivian rams?


Would a 20 gallon long (same length as 30 gal) be enough for two pairs?


Thanks a lot for the info guys it has been of great help, i am know determined to set a tank up with either blue rams or bolivian rams or even both.

thanks - Jighead

[Jighead]

My head is starting to ache as i am trying to figure out combinations of fish, tank size, and how much it will all cost.

What i really want to make happen is 1 or more aquariums with these species as inhabitants:

Black Neon Tetras
Glowlight Tetras
Emerald or "Green" Cory
Peppered Cory
Pair of Blue Rams
Pair of Bolivian Rams


My budget for this project is $150 to $175.

Any help on combinations of fish and tank size + number of tanks would be great help.

My thinking is i could have 2 smaller tanks or 1 big tank like a 29 gallon.


Thanks - Jighead

[Jighead]

After much thought i am going to make a stab at my own question.

My idea is to have 2 10 gallon tanks with a pair of blue rams in one, and a pair of bolivian rams in the other, with other fish based around the rams.

How's this for the stocking plan:

1st 10 gallon tank-

pair of Blue Rams
8-10 glowlight tetras
3 corydora species (to be determined at lfs)

2nd 10 gallon tank-

pair of bolivian rams
8-10 black neon tetras
3 corydora species (to be determined at lfs)

Suggestions?

The only thing i am not sure about is the compatibility of the corys and rams.

Also I am a bit confused on the type of substrate to use, is a polished gravel best? Or is a sand/gravel mix ideal for the species?


Thanks - Jighead

[mooman]

I'll post more later, but clarify this now. A 20g long is the same footprint as a 29g (30in). A 30g is 36 in long. I think 2 pairs of rams would be ok in a well landscaped 30g, but a 29g or 20g long would be too small IMO. If you can afford it, 2 tanks is the way to go. Dwarf cichlids are always hit of miss in a community situation as so much depends on the individual personalities of the fish. You can save money by running both tanks on sponge filters powered by the same air pump (about $25 compared to 30 or 40). 10g would be ok, but 15g would be better (much more expensive though)

[Star_Rider]

If you don't have the tanks and are looking for a deal..you may want to check out craigslist what they have one in your area.

I recently founds a 75 custom acrylic with stand, hood drilled with wet/dry sump custom lights for $400. I also a looking at a 30 with stand and hood and all accessories for $60. I also found a discus breeder selling his discus for $15 ea .25 for 2.

[Fishfiles1]

read my sig, i love dwarf cockatoos

[bushwhacker]

get the bigger tank and get a few kribs

[shewolfgeo]

If you go to your local Wal-Mart they have tanks set ups (does not include stand).

I think the biggest they have is 38 gallon from 150-200 I think. Its worth a look into. They did carry 55 gallons for 200, but stop, and now they carry 10, 14, 23, and 38 gallon set ups. (at lease here they have) That includes filter, top/light, tank. You'll need heater and stand. And deco. too.

[67chevelle]

[quote]Although rams are pretty mild, I still would not suggest more than one pair for anything smaller than a 30g (36 in tank). Dwarf cichlids are small, but their territory sizes are surprisingly large when kept in aquariums.[quote]




What is the minimum size tank for just one pair of either blue or bolivian rams?


Would a 20 gallon long (same length as 30 gal) be enough for two pairs?


Thanks a lot for the info guys it has been of great help, i am know determined to set a tank up with either blue rams or bolivian rams or even both.

thanks - Jighead
A 20 long and a 30 are not the same length.A 30 is 36inches,and a 20 long is 32inches.
I would not put any dwarf in a 10 gallon.They need at least a 20,30 would be better.I have a Krib,Ram,and a Keyhole in a 30g with Angels,Otos,and Harlequin Rasboras.I have also kept Cockatoo cichlids,and IMO,20 should be the minimum.

[lucy42083]

This thread is 2.5 years old and the OP jighead has not visited this site in well over a year. I'm pretty sure he's never going to read any of your suggestions, nor is he still looking for tank/fish suggestions.