are hybrids a threat to the fishkeeping hobby?

thom336 · Mar 10, 2003

ok, i thought that maybe i would try a different approach to seeing what people think on hybrids, and get the verdicts. all you have to do is place your vote, bearing in mind that there is no right or wrong answer, it is all your personal opinion. i thought it would be interesting to see how these results compare with those in a poll carried out in the UK by Practical Fishkeeping Magazine. thanks for taking part!

hmmm...not sure if 'vote' was a good word to use, but i cant think of a better one off hand...

one last point...if your answer doesnt fit any of the catagories, then select the closest one. thanks.

wetmanNY · Mar 10, 2003

You mean, like Platies and Red Swordtails?

RTR · Mar 10, 2003

Very poorly worded, IMHO. Statement one refers to Cichlids only. Statements 2 & 3 are not limiting. Just what are you trying to ask, the limited case of Ciclid hybridization, or all fish? And how do you define "hybrid"? does this restrict breeding between geographic color forms or morphs (as many of the Rift lake Cichlids show), or you refering to the more correct genetic mixing of defined species at the species level only?

ChilDawg · Mar 10, 2003

Doesn't this belong in "General Chat"?

Z Man · Mar 11, 2003

I don't think they will ever bother the hobby. I just think things should be left alone to nature.

Dragon_Lord_Tia · Mar 11, 2003

hybrids are good for the hobbie

i fell like most other people the hyrids aree good for the hobbie my chris,luke,matt and tony(my mates at work) were reviewing this and the petition at work and we had a good laugh about the progrestiveness of thom336's posts im might get in trouble for this but i have to say it *itching about how amimals feel pain and stuff like that what me to name evry hybrid that i can think of well i will

1)platies
2)oscars
3)guppys
4)corydorus
5)swordsails
6)gouramis
7)almost all of lake tanganyika cichlids lemon cichlid in perticular
8)most of lake mawai cichlids
9)angel fish
10)discus
11)paradis fish
12)the loved by all siamese fighter
13)loaches
14)weather locaches (made to grow up to 80 cm long instead of 20 odd cms
15)boeseman's rainbowfish
16)puffers
17)scats
18)mosquito fish
19)salmon
20)trout
21)bass
22)cod
23)catfish
24)most native fish which are breed to be more hardy againsed the pest fish carp etc
25)butterfly fish

see my point if you havent had 1 of these fish or seen them at a lfs and didnt look twice on your way back you need a good kicking thom336 stop come on you mush admit you like 1 of these fish

all these fish have been taken from my order form in which it tells me if the fish are ------wild----------native-------hybrids-------diseased and need to be treated

and i got most from the list under hybrids
THINK ABOUT IT WE ALL LOVE HYBRIDS

Z Man · Mar 11, 2003

Hey Dragon, All those fish you mention are NOT hybrids! A hybrid is when you take a fish from one genus and cross it with a fish of a different genus. They fish you mention are culled and bred for color but in their own genus'. One fish you did not mention is the Angelfish. In the wild you will not find most of the color morphs available at your local store. They have been selectivly bred from mostly wild stock to bring about all the different color variations. They are still not hybrids! I believe that 'tom336' is talking about "CICHLIDS" such as the parrot cichlid and the now available flowerhorn that they are asking outrageous prices for.

Dragon_Lord_Tia · Mar 11, 2003

i think they are hybrids(altouugh closly related platies are mixed with swordtail to make more colourful swordtails etc in which the wild they would not

Faramir · Mar 11, 2003

Re: hybrids are good for the hobbie

Originally posted by Dragon_Lord_Tia
i fell like most other people the hyrids aree good for the hobbie my chris,luke,matt and tony(my mates at work) were reviewing this and the petition at work and we had a good laugh about the progrestiveness of thom336's posts im might get in trouble for this but i have to say it *itching about how amimals feel pain and stuff like that what me to name evry hybrid that i can think of well i will

1)platies

Yes. Usually a hybrid with a bit of variatus/helleri

2)oscars

Nope.

3)guppys

Nope.

4)corydorus

Nope.

[quote[5)swordsails[/quote]
Yes. Often a bit of maculatus/variatus in there.

6)gouramis

I suspect there are a few Colisa hybrids around, but I'm not sure. Definitely not in the other genera.

7)almost all of lake tanganyika cichlids lemon cichlid in perticular

Nope.

8)most of lake mawai cichlids

Unfortunately there are an increasing number of Aulonocara and Maylandia hybrids around. They are generally rather dull. It's a shame - it's a bit like mixing plasticene - it ends up brown.

9)angel fish

Nope. The common ones are all P. scalare. P. altum is nice, but I've never heard of it being crossed. Probably possible, but not done.

10)discus

Yes, depending on whether you believe there really are as many discus species as some authorities claim. Others say there are only 2.

11)paradis fish

Nope.

12)the loved by all siamese fighter

Nope. There are other Betta species, but the fighter is pure Betta splendens.

13)loaches

Hardly. Most of the buggers are hard to breed at all, let alone crossbreed.

14)weather locaches (made to grow up to 80 cm long instead of 20 odd cms

Only one species I know of - Misgurnis fossilis. What do you propose it has been crossed with?

15)boeseman's rainbowfish

Nope.

16)puffers

Hardly - see my comment about loaches.

17)scats

Ditto.

18)mosquito fish

News to me.

19)salmon

Do fish farms hybridise? Again, news to me.

20)trout

Ditto.

21)bass

Nope.

22)cod

And who, exactly, is breeding cod?

23)catfish

Could you be more specific?

24)most native fish which are breed to be more hardy againsed the pest fish carp etc

Nonsense. These are not hybridised.

25)butterfly fish

Impossible - there is only one species in the entire family Pantadontidae - what would it hybridise with.

see my point if you havent had 1 of these fish or seen them at a lfs and didnt look twice on your way back you need a good kicking thom336 stop come on you mush admit you like 1 of these fish

all these fish have been taken from my order form in which it tells me if the fish are ------wild----------native-------hybrids-------

Your supplier doesn't know what a hybrid is, clearly. A hybrid is an animal which is the offspring of more than one species. Note species, not genus. Most hybrids are within a genus because animals further apart than that are not generally genetically compatible.

diseased and need to be treated

and i got most from the list under hybrids
THINK ABOUT IT WE ALL LOVE HYBRIDS

goldfries · Mar 11, 2003

gotta agree with Faramir.

don't get confused cross-breeding, line-breeding and hybridization.

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are hybrids a threat to the fishkeeping hobby?

How do you think hybrid cichlids affect the fishkeeping hobby, or in deed do they?

Yes, hybrid cichlids are a threat to the hobby

Maybe. I do not like them, but I do not see them as a major problem either

No. Hybridising fish is part of fishkeeping. If I like them, I will buy them.

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ChilDawg

Math is sexy.

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Dragon_Lord_Tia

OH NO not Lenny

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Dragon_Lord_Tia

OH NO not Lenny

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The twit from over the pond.

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