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CyberDrgn
03-11-2003, 12:22 PM
Does anyone have any info on the "blue" green terrors. I bought 2 juvi's like 6 months ago and they just bred. I emailed the guy i bought them from and he didn't answer, unless it was lost among the spam. The only other place I have seen them is at a store thats is somewhat of a long drive away for $15 each. I want to know if i can sell them if they live, or if i should just give them away, or let other fish eat them.
AikidoGuy
03-11-2003, 12:25 PM
here the only two fish i know of being sold as "Green Terrors"
which by the way they are not "True" grren terrors. where in Nj are you from? what store did you get them in?
Silver Saum variety
http://www.cichlidscene.com/img/silver/lg/20020831silv10.jpg
Gold Saum variety
http://www.aquamojo.com/terror/Green%20Terror%203b.jpg
CyberDrgn
03-11-2003, 4:28 PM
I actually bought them from a guy in newark, but the store i saw some in was Absolutely fish. There is no info whatsoever about these on the net, and my fish look just like those but slightly more blue...
They cost about $15, while small green terrors typically cost $4. Besides that I can't tell you much else, I think they are just a color morph (like for example you can get red oscars, tiger, albino, ect.)
AikidoGuy
03-11-2003, 5:41 PM
hmm interesting. well im not aware of any other morphs of the "green Terror" but ya never know. snap a pic and post it if you can
Cypherman
03-11-2003, 9:27 PM
There were a few being sold on Aquabid. I contacted the seller and a few other ppl who had them and from what I gathered they are a color morph developed in Asia of the gold saum variety. They were only selling small ones, but they did look fairly interesting and if you get any young I might be interested in buying a few CyberDrgn ;)
goldfries
03-11-2003, 9:41 PM
those are nice!! what cam did you use?
AikidoGuy
03-12-2003, 8:29 AM
cichlidscene took the top photo i think he is using a Canon G2 these days, and the bottom photo was taken by Mojo with a 4.0mp Olympus CaMedia not sure on the model but 440 sounds familiar for some reason.
ThorinMan
03-15-2003, 1:50 AM
This is what my "green terror" looks like hes more blue than green.
Haggisman
03-15-2003, 2:32 PM
A blue GT
http://www.aquabid.com/uploads/fwcichlids1036257476.jpg
scholar
03-15-2003, 9:58 PM
Haggisman,
That's a pretty blue GT. Would you post every once a while a pic as she gets older. that would be awsome. :)
vilhelm
03-16-2003, 10:48 AM
hmmm,i dont follow now,i had aikido called goldsaum variety,its that not a GT? how look a gt then?
Haggisman
03-16-2003, 10:55 AM
Sorry I should have said its not actually my fish, a guy on aquabid rarefish..something or other, sells them.I think they are probably a hybrid(blue dempsey x gt maybe)but may be a colour morph.
Nice fish though.
CyberDrgn
03-16-2003, 7:43 PM
That fish looks like perhaps a flash reflected off it. The one I have is similar to the one ThorinMan has except slightly more blue...but not by much.
AikidoGuy
03-17-2003, 8:44 AM
all the fish in all the photos that have been posted(including mine) so far are not technically Green terrors. True Green Terrors have not been collected for the trade for probably at least 10 years. reason? their just isnt anyone in the area where true Green terrors are, to collect them. All the fish that we have in these pictures of are sold under the common name "Green Terror" because they look similar to the true species. They really are an acara of some type, but yet after as long as they have available they still have no true scientific name. imagine that. :rolleyes: Eventually, the fish we all know of as Green terrors will have its own true scientific name and maybe even a new common name. whenever i talk about this fish i will usually call it Aequidens sp. "Gold Saum" or "Silver Saum" depending on which variety im talking about.
Cypherman
03-18-2003, 11:14 PM
Lol, is it just me, or do all Green Terror discussions end up going to the saum issue? :rolleyes:
AkidoGuy is right, but a green terror is whatever fish you call it. Technically, no, its not the real deal, but it can keep the same common name. There's no confusion because you dont see the real A. rivulatus in the hobby.
Also, nice GT Thorin!
Here's my GT:
http://www.cichlidtank.com/uploads/photos/2519.jpg
This is an older pic though, mine looks a lot like Thorin's.
I wanted a GT one with the white saum and one with a orange saum but decided not to. I also saw a site where they sell wild GT or so they say they dont look the same as the ones at the store though not as colorful with the green and blue and with the saum. But I didnt get it cause it was like 40 dollars starting off for shipping.
AikidoGuy
04-01-2003, 3:11 PM
wild TRUE green terrors havent been collected by anyone in over a decade. Sobecarefull what they tell you. ;)
ill try to find the pic of it. Im not very good at judgeing when it come to anything but oscars, Jags and Sailfin pleco (gibbiceps)
Found the pic its not a full body shot though. It says wild Green Terrors for sale but they are currently out of stock. Not like I could get it out of tank space. Need a bigger tank where I stand now so it would wait either way.
http://store1.yimg.com/I/fish2u_1729_11147711
Oh yeah and about breeding your cat with a tiger it wouldnt go well for your cat it would get squashed. You know they breed a lion with a siberian tiger. I forgot how it is but if the lion is a male and the tiger is female you get either a liger or a tion and same visa versa just that one way the baby grows to be a dwarf cat and the other way makes this enormous cat they had one on tv and still a baby it was over 6' tall standing on hind qaurters it was still drinking from a bottle.
Tiger15
04-01-2003, 6:31 PM
The Blue Green Terror I saw look exactly like the one in Haggisman's picture. They are selling for $15 to $19 in two stores in Philly for 2 inch fish already showing intense color. I think it is a new mutant strain just like blue Dampsey and is not naturally occuring.
AlkidoGuy, there is really no such thing as true Green Terror since GT is a common name. You may argue that there is no true Aquidens rivulatus or the common GT refers to an unknown Aquidens species. The two fish in your pictures belong to the same species and from the same GT batch, some will grow up with white edge, yellow edge or orange. The original white saum and orange saum belong to two different species that differ not only in color, pattern but also body and finage shape. I had a true white saum 15 years ago but now it has dissappeared in the trade because the orange saum is prettier and has practically replaced or absorbed the gene of the true white saum much the same way that common Red Devel has citrinellum genes contaminated with labiatus.
CyberDrgn
04-01-2003, 11:42 PM
Only 15-20 or perhaps a few more of the fry have survived. I have them in a 20g with the parents, who were raising them but now seem to be not so interested. I've been thinking of moving the parents back to my 90g but its awefully crowded in there. Guess I'll have to decide what to do soon.
AikidoGuy
04-02-2003, 8:58 AM
"AlkidoGuy, there is really no such thing as true Green Terror since GT is a common name. You may argue that there is no true Aquidens rivulatus or the common GT refers to an unknown Aquidens species. The two fish in your pictures belong to the same species and from the same GT batch, some will grow up with white edge, yellow edge or orange. The original white saum and orange saum belong to two different species that differ not only in color, pattern but also body and finage shape. I had a true white saum 15 years ago but now it has dissappeared in the trade because the orange saum is prettier and has practically replaced or absorbed the gene of the true white saum much the same way that common Red Devel has citrinellum genes contaminated with labiatus"
in that case then we can call it an oscar too, since oscar is just a common name :rolleyes: the Aquidens rivulatus is the original Green Terror, and the ones available today looked similar and just kept the common name,which technically is wrong. Dont get me wrong i call them green terrors myself, but they arent what they are. Even "The Man" jeff Rapps says they shouldnt be called this. http://208.51.130.220/~mojo/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Sticky;action=display;num=1043072157
Tiger15
04-03-2003, 6:50 PM
Originally posted by AikidoGuy
http://208.51.130.220/~mojo/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Sticky;action=display;num=1043072157[/url]
There are several species of angel fish in Amazon, and many more species of marine angel fish. So which one is the true angel fish? You are reversing technical correctness of common name from scientific name. When GT were imported in the early 80's, there were two distinct species. So "technically", GT can refer to multple Aquidens species. The same confusion happens to Red Deve. Which species is the true Red Devel? None, because RD is a domesticated species with mixed genes from a couple wild species. It doesn't matter what Jeff Rapps says. I kept GT when they were first imported and at least 5 years before Jeff Rapps had his first. It's common sense that common name is non specific and that's why scientists came up with Latan names to unambiquously differentiat species. Here are pictures of two GT species that were imported at one time and exactly which one is true A. rivulatus is still under debate. Note the the two species differ not only in color, but also the finage shape and scale color pattern. The white saum was not as popular as the gold saum because it is less colorful, the finage is shorter and looks deformed, and soon lost in the trade.
"http://www.geocities.com/bluespeacock/wsaum.jpg"
"http://www.geocities.com/bluespeacock/gsaum.jpg"
GEV83
04-04-2003, 11:17 AM
You Try using an Angel Fish and a Red Devil to back you up. Angel fish (FW) are called by different names the common scalare is just simple angel fish the altum type is called an Altum Angel fish they all have differant names to include salt water angel fish. Red Devil are classified in three groups a Red Devil, Midas and Striped Midas all differant names for 3 differant fish. Now a GT one with a white saum and one with the red saum are 2 differant species using the exact same name. But hey what do I know Ive only been in the hobby since I was 4yrs old so.
Cypherman
04-06-2003, 3:36 PM
Originally posted by GER1023
You Try using an Angel Fish and a Red Devil to back you up. Angel fish (FW) are called by different names the common scalare is just simple angel fish the altum type is called an Altum Angel fish they all have differant names to include salt water angel fish. Red Devil are classified in three groups a Red Devil, Midas and Striped Midas all differant names for 3 differant fish. Now a GT one with a white saum and one with the red saum are 2 differant species using the exact same name. But hey what do I know Ive only been in the hobby since I was 4yrs old so.
He's saying that common names are interchangeable and variable so there's no need to stress the "Gold" and "While Saum" unless you really care. And if you do, then fine, call it a gold saum. The common name is not that important. The scientific name needs to be changed. A Green Terror is what you want it to be.
And red devil is not used for the entire red devil complex. No one calls Midas cichlids red devils unless they dont know what their fish is. That's like calling any Pseudotropheus a Zebra cichlid.
CyberDrgn
04-07-2003, 12:19 AM
Well argueing over whether a common name is correct is kind of odd because its just a nick name really. I think the common names of these different fish at this time is green terror for what you see all over stores now, and "true green terror" for the species that no one has anymore. It would be really hard to get people to call a fish that no one has green terror, and get them to call a fish that is common a mean green acura or something like that.