What to put with Ploppy

[Betta-Bender]

hello i have recently got a 29 gallon tank and in a week it will be going tropical

at the moment i have a goldfish in therecalled ploppy i have read all the jargon about 55 gallon tanks for one gold fish.
but my local fish breeder who used to work at the local aquarium said thats not the case at all and that ploppy is fine
i have known him for along time and respect his advice so now thats over with
i can get on with my question.

what other fish can i put with ploppy?
i have fluval 800 litres per hour filter
and will be getting a heater

i want to get
a pair of angelfish

a school of 7 medium sized tetras (could you reccomend a speicies?)

and a cory

any suggestions
acept i am definatly getting the angelfish :)

thanks

[SwimminglyFishy]

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you really can't put any of the things you wanted in with Ploppy. Goldfish are coldwater fish and need to be kept in an unheated tank while angels, tetras, and corys need to be kept in a heated tank.

That said, I think you should give Ploppy back to your local fish breeder, purchase a heater for the tank, then get the angels, tetras, and some corys(like to be kept in groups) that you want. Or, depending upon his species, you could keep Ploppy in the current tank(without heater) but you really shouldn't add any other fish. Goldfish get quite large and produce large amounts of waste that can quickly pollute tank water. Either way, I recommend that you test your water regularly and do weekly water changes. You do know about cycling a tank, right? If not, just do a google search on cycling aquarium and you will learn all you need to know.

Good luck! :D

[mykidsmylife]

Well, your first problem is that Ploppy (a goldfish) is a cold water fish and should be kept around 72 degrees or cooler. Tropical fish, especially angels should be kept around 79 degrees. They require much warmer water than goldfish and it is not a good idea at all to combine goldfish with tropicals. Plus, goldfish require double the filtration of tropicals and that size tank couldn't hold the bioload of your planned fish. It would be overstocked and if you add a goldfish to it that makes the bioload extremely high. I guess what I'm trying to say is they are different types of fish who demand different requirements.

I'm sorry, I'm sure that's not what you wanted to hear but either stick with goldfish, or find ploppy a new home and move on to tropicals.

[Betta-Bender]

oh well thanks for your advice :)
however my local fish breeder keeps his goldfish with tropicals and says its fine to do so as long as you keep the temperature at a staedy compromise beetween tropical and cold water about 77 F.
he also bred and showed angelfish he has some gorgeous breeds there inculding some dwarfs i think i saw a lable saying :)

i had grown quite attached to ploppy
he was an adopted fish
his mate plippy who i also had, died of white spot :(

which i am treating with the appropriate medicen and they are clearing up now
just a little bit longer and he will be better.
i will have a think anyway
thank you for your input

[graphicdesign_r]

Please don't post in the future asking for advice if you are not going to follow it.

Your "breeder" friend is wrong, and any knowledgeable aquarium owner would agree. Keeping fish in a subpar environment and half-a$$ing species requirements so you can keep inappropriate species together is cruel, and it's bad practice. It's also doing what you want versus what the fish require. That shows an unfortunate mix of conceit and stupidity.

I'm not surprised "Plippy" died, you probably don't do water changes either (and I'm sure your "friend" would agree with you that water changes are unnesscessary). People like you shouldn't own living things.

Sorry to be so brutal, but you asked for it.

[joephys]

No offense, but just because your friend is a fish breeder, and has worked in an aquarium doesn't mean he knows or does what is best. There are all sorts of unqualified people working in all number of jobs.

[Slappy*McFish]

I agree with and backup everyone else here 100%. Goldfish and tropicals do not belong together. But do what you want...I won't lose any sleep over it. My tanks are fine. :)

[dirtydawg10]

hello i have recently got a 29 gallon tank and in a week it will be going tropical

at the moment i have a goldfish in therecalled ploppy i have read all the jargon about 55 gallon tanks for one gold fish.
but my local fish breeder who used to work at the local aquarium said thats not the case at all and that ploppy is fine
i have known him for along time and respect his advice so now thats over with
i can get on with my question.

what other fish can i put with ploppy?
i have fluval 800 litres per hour filter
and will be getting a heater

i want to get
a pair of angelfish

a school of 7 medium sized tetras (could you reccomend a speicies?)

and a cory

any suggestions
acept i am definatly getting the angelfish :)

thanks

Can you put a pair of angels in with Ploppy...Yes
Should you...Definately not (For all the reasons listed above)

Can you put tetras in with Ploppy...Yes
Should you...Definately not (For all the reasons listed above and they would eventually be an expensive lunch for Ploppy)

Can you listen to your friend the Breeder...Yes
Should you...Definately not (For all the reasons listed above)

Your friend can do all the things listed above but unfortunately these are not ideal conditions for the fish. If you don't care about the fish...Why are you asking for advice?

[mykidsmylife]

oh well thanks for your advice :)
however my local fish breeder keeps his goldfish with tropicals and says its fine to do so as long as you keep the temperature at a staedy compromise beetween tropical and cold water about 77 F.
he also bred and showed angelfish he has some gorgeous breeds there inculding some dwarfs i think i saw a lable saying :)

i had grown quite attached to ploppy
he was an adopted fish
his mate plippy who i also had, died of white spot :(

which i am treating with the appropriate medicen and they are clearing up now
just a little bit longer and he will be better.
i will have a think anyway
thank you for your input

I'm sorry you didn't hear the advice you wanted. I will not reccomend anything for your tank because I think you would put them in inappropriate environments. I don't want to be responsible for the horrible life (too cold and misserable, too hot and misserable) or deaths of any fish. I therefor choose to simply state that I would not reccomend any type.

If you are truly so attached to Ploppy. Research proper goldfish care. Do everything you can do now for HIM. Give him the best most wonderful COLD WATER tank that you can afford. If that doesn't appeal to you and having a tropical tank (WARM WATER) is so important, take Ploppy back to the fish store where they will promptly plop Ploppy in the properly COLD WATER tank. Then proceed with a HEATER and tropicals of your choice.

I understand this friend of yours has some success doing things in the unorthodox manner, but trust me....it is NOT the best for the fish. People are funny that way. I truly feel that following the advice he has given you would be the even larger mistake. You have one fish "guy" telling you that it would all be fine with the mixture, only to be told by 8 other fish "guys" that it is completely inappropriate. You will make your choices, be it good or bad.

GD is right. Don't ask for advice if you know that you are not going to follow it. You knew it was wrong, we told you it was wrong, but claimed your friend has no problems (which I highly doubt he has the healthy fish he tells you) don't expect others to help you set up a bad situation.

[Slappy*McFish]

they are just fish!
i woukld raather be more concerned about the childeren starving in africa than an animal with only half a nervous system and and a proven nine second memory!
GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT
YOUR ALL NUTS!!!!

With that attitude I seriously doubt you are concerned about the well being of anyone/anything other than yourself, TBH.
If they're just fish, then why waste your and our time by posting questions here?

[dorkfish]

Well, were all nuts, we actually care about the millions of fish who live horible lives. well, would you consider keeping a baby in a rabit cage, were the temp. is always cold and theres little to eat cruel? well if you do, thats what happens to MILLIONS of fish and you don't think that's worth worrying about? People like you shoudn't be aloud to keep any living thing's, wether it be a cat, dog, hampster, FISH. this is not the place to have an attitude like that, and somebody DEFINETLY needs to ban you. your nuts, you took up our bandwith wich usually runs out at the end of the month and you definetly shouldn't be aloud to have ANY animals. who else think's were all nuts?

[Roan Art]

i woukld raather be more concerned about the childeren starving in africa than an animal with only half a nervous system and and a proven nine second memory!
GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT

Well, if that's how you feel, then I have the perfect solution for you:

Sell all your fish and equipment for as much money as you can get. Then take the money and send it to:

UNICEF
333 East 38th Street
New York, NY 10016

All settled :D

Roan

[graphicdesign_r]

We're not nuts, we just care about your pets more than you do, which is extremely unfortunate for them.

Roan that idea is perfect!

<begins soft clap and waits for others to join in>

[Betta-Bender]

i love my fishes my tetras in my tetrarium and my goldfish (ploppy)
but if i dont put him in a tropical tank what am i menat to do with him
around here we have three fish shops
the one in town who dosnt take any fish in for any reason the garden cetre with aqua centre whic is the same
and my fish breeder
who wont take him from me if he has white spot (which they came with when i was given them as a birthday present before you start to shout and ball at me for me being a bad pet owner)
bTW i would happily exchange him for a male betta but i cant shift the white spot
i have been trteating him for two weeks now with interpet but they still come back
i have tested the water and nitrite is zero so is ammonia and nitrate.
at the moment he is flicking and dashing about more and more (is this a sign of the white spot paracite letting go?)
sorry i was rude but i was responding to an equally rude answer i got form another member here :)

[Roan Art]

You need to read this article:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39759

Treat according to this and your white spot will be gone.

Roan

[Betta-Bender]

thank you
i just remebered my fileter had a charcoal filter sponge in it so i have now removed it and re dosed

[Roan Art]

Re-dosed with something that is obviously not working? If you've had the same charcoal in the filter for the entire time you've been dosing your fish, it is not active anymore. At most they last a week.

I really suggest you read the article I linked.

Roan

[graphicdesign_r]

:troll: IMO.

White spot is another name for ich right? How does salt/heat work with goldfish? I would think that enough heat to kill the parasite would be extremely unhealthy for coldwater fish...

[Star_Rider]

Generally heat is raised to speed up the life cycle of ich..in colder water ich can remain dormant for a longer period of time.(less active).

the salt throws a loop into the balance of the parasite.

[drgold]

1 tablespoon of salt per gallon will kill ich in a few days and your fish will live quite happily through the ordeal. Add 1 teaspoon per gallon every twelve hours for a total of three doses. Leave the salt in for a week or two and everything will be fine. Take it out gradually with 50% water changes every 12 hours or so.

I've done this with goldfish (only goldfish...many tropicals can't handle that much salt) and it worked very well, and very quickly. Raising the temp. will speed things up, but it isn't necessary if your tank is in the 70's and you leave the salt in for 2 weeks. Good luck!

Andy

[tricksterpup]

I am not going to tell you, you shouldnt keep goldfish with Tropicals, it has already been done to death.
But I do want to point out that a 29 gallon will be to small of a tank for Pair of Angels. They will out grow that tank. I would try smaller fish that would just as nice with your tetras, such as a honey gourami.

[beatle]

A pair of angels won't outgrow a 29g. You could probably keep 3 if they all got along, but sometimes a pair forms and they kill the 3rd.

[graphicdesign_r]

beatle, that's twice today I've seen you posting questionable advice. Where do you get your information?

I'll say it depends on the angels. Some get larger than others. You need a tall aquarium because of the shape of the fish.

[Genral72]

Yeah beatle angels need a taller tank. A hexagon is much better for an angel(though I must admit they are not very good for anything else)