View Full Version : The Ghost Shrimp Code.
Yuri De Lima
05-22-2006, 12:14 AM
A murder has been committed, who do I blame?
Alright, so another scary and likely very strange tale from the depths of my 10G planted tank.
I have this 10G planted tank. In it I house 3 baby(a yellow/orange ono and 2 grayish) gold fish, they are orphans,
about 20 nean tetra (medium size) and around 70 ghost shimps (various sizes), who the other day I saw doing some very strange thing. Read for yoursef>>> http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=589305#post589305
Now, yesterday I go to feed my fish (whom I feed everyday) and noticed that all the ghost shrimp were gone, none left. Yup, just life that (and I had seen them the night before).
Now who killed all the many ghost shrimps I had?
The cute little yellow/orange colored gold fish?
The other 2 gray color gold fish?
Or the very tiny 20 neon tetras, whose body are not even bigger than that of their possible victim?
Gumby131
05-22-2006, 4:52 AM
gold fish. thay will eat anything, i hate them
minnesotagal866
05-22-2006, 5:01 AM
If your tank has any openings at all, they may have escaped. I found several on the floor the first time I tried to keep ghost shrimp.
Jackie
chinnp
05-22-2006, 8:18 AM
I suspect the goldfish. Most fish will eat anything they can get in their mouths and goldfish can definitely put a ghost shrimp in their mouth. Your 10 gallon tank is far too small for the goldfish and the neons prefer much different water conditions than the goldfish do.
That tank is way overstocked. What is the nitrate titer?
The tank would be more controllable with many fewer fish, and especially with the goldfish in separate and nuch larger housing.
mooman
05-22-2006, 11:25 AM
I agree. I only call overcrowding on someone when it's severe. IMO your overcrowding is severe. If I lived in that tank I'd be right behind your ghost shrimp.
Roan Art
05-22-2006, 11:32 AM
I agree with RTR and Mooman.
Your shrimp probably hit the highway to find a place to live that isn't so crowded.
Roan
misopeenut
05-22-2006, 11:01 PM
he asked what killed the shrimps not how overcrowded his tank is.
really, the goldfish will eventualy outgrow the tank, but until then its fine.
killer is definately the gold fish, how can you not notice 70 shirmps spread across the floor if they did jump out.
Yuri De Lima
05-22-2006, 11:29 PM
Finally somebody that is not trying to let everybody else know how extremely "knowledgeable" they are about bowls, tanks, aquariums and all things inbetween.
The is a reason why I did not add on the original post that I didn't want anybody to comment on how "crowded" my tank was, because I knew somebody was going to comment about it and move away from my real question.
Well the floor is carpet, but still i'd be able to notice. Heck, just the other day while a couple of shrimp were "sun tanning" one fell on the floor and made a big "thud", enough to kill it, but I got it and put it back inside, it swam perfectly.
When I told my mom that all my ghost shrimps had disappeared she told me that the other day she found 2 dead on the carpet, so I guess that could have been their faith.
I am sorry, but a ten gallon tank is not adequate for the neons alone, much less all the opthers. That is not a sustainable tank, period. There is nothing fine about it. it is your tank, your choice, but when you ask for advice on a forum, you have to expect experienced hobbyists to respond to the primary and overwhelming issue with the tank.
ghost shrimp are pretty sensitive to ammonia i think ....
I had the same behavior when I had a mini-cycle and now my only ghost shrimp is missing. >.> i did a thorough cleaning to make sure there wasn't a rotting body in my tank but i didn't find anything ...
Anyway, it did the same thing when my ammonia spiked a little bit ... >.> Got out of the water that is.
chinnp
05-23-2006, 9:51 PM
Finally somebody that is not trying to let everybody else know how extremely "knowledgeable" they are about bowls, tanks, aquariums and all things inbetween.
The is a reason why I did not add on the original post that I didn't want anybody to comment on how "crowded" my tank was, because I knew somebody was going to comment about it and move away from my real question.
Well the floor is carpet, but still i'd be able to notice. Heck, just the other day while a couple of shrimp were "sun tanning" one fell on the floor and made a big "thud", enough to kill it, but I got it and put it back inside, it swam perfectly.
When I told my mom that all my ghost shrimps had disappeared she told me that the other day she found 2 dead on the carpet, so I guess that could have been their faith.
You come here for advice and expect people to ignore another obvious problem? Say you go to a mechanic to have your car aligned because it's not driving right and he notices that your transmission is about to go out. Do you want him to not tell you? Or if you go to a doctor because you're having migraines and he finds a heart murmur do you want him to ignore it?
Your tank is too small for the neons by themselves and it's too small for the goldfish by themselves. It's too small for the ghost shrimp by themselves. Plus, the goldfish and the neons aren't compatible at all. Goldfish are coolwater fish and neons are tropical. The best you can hope for in a tank with both of them is that one or the other will suffer.
misopeenut
05-23-2006, 11:28 PM
You come here for advice and expect people to ignore another obvious problem? Say you go to a mechanic to have your car aligned because it's not driving right and he notices that your transmission is about to go out. Do you want him to not tell you? Or if you go to a doctor because you're having migraines and he finds a heart murmur do you want him to ignore it?
okay, what if you take your car to some place to get your speakers fixed, then they tell you oh the paint job on your car is terrible and not even say antyhing about the speakers???
samehting happening here, yuri de lama is asking what happend to her shrimps and people here are saying oh your tank is overstocked. at least answer the question.
Raskolnikov
05-23-2006, 11:34 PM
okay, what if you take your car to some place to get your speakers fixed, then they tell you oh the paint job on your car is terrible and not even say antyhing about the speakers???
That's a terrible analogy. The level at which that tank is grossly overstocked is not a matter of opinion (such as an ugly paint job).
The original question was answered, and then light was shed on the real problem at hand.
OK, in the simplest possible terms: Goldfish should have 30 gallons each, and room temp or cooler water if they are commopns. Neons should have 1-2 gaoolons each and moderate tropical temps but can take warmer, Ghost shrimp can handle cooler or warmer water, but should have about 1/2 gallon each. You calculate out what tanks sizes are needed.
I doubt that any filtration system could support the bioload in that tank, or that any water partial schedule other than full flow-through approximately every hour would support that bioload in health. What happened was toxicity by all the metabolic wastes = poisons in the water plus low oxygen tension in the water and excess respiratory CO2, all of which together killed the most sensutive creatures first.
But wht really killed them was ignorance, what is what most of the respondants were attempting to alleviate.
Alestro Bakai
05-24-2006, 1:21 PM
I doubt that any filtration system could support the bioload in that tank, or that any water partial schedule other than full flow-through approximately every hour would support that bioload in health. What happened was toxicity by all the metabolic wastes = poisons in the water plus low oxygen tension in the water and excess respiratory CO2, all of which together killed the most sensutive creatures first.
Well yeah, but where did 70 shrimp bodies go? I mean I can imagine a couple escaping some strange way, but 70 of them? Without a trace? I think we all know what happened here:
:joe: