Nitrate question Please HELP!!

Squirt0170

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I tested my waters and the results are this...

No3 = 20
No2 = 3.0
Hardness is 120
alkanity is 100
PH is 7.0

Is is safe to change my water daily to stop the nitrate from killing my fish? I changed a little more than 20% last night and if didn't do much change and I'm starting to worry. My fish are acting fine... if that makes a difference.. Also I tested my tap water after putting conditioner in it to see if it was the water doing it... and it's not. When I tested my tap with conditioner there was no No2 or No3...

Should I add more conditioner? Please HELP!! :help:
 
I think you are geting things mixed up.
How large is your tank and what do you have for stock, is their also live plants and how often and how much do you change water?
How long has the tank been set-up?
Have you read up on the nitrogen cycle?

All of thoes things play a roll in fish keeping, and im sure im forgeting other things but eh, im tired.

NitrIte is more deadly to fish then nitrAte, nitrAte is the after math of both ammonia, and nitrite, nitrate is removed with water changes and can be eaten up by live plants.
 
My tank is 30 Gallons it's been set up since May 14th 2006. I have not read up on the nitrogen cycle. I have 2 live plants. I have 3 baby Bala sharks, 2 silver dollars, a baby black ghost knife and 2 gourimis. I'm cycling my 75 gallon tank them I'm switching the balla's, ghost knife and silver dollars. I change the water 20% weekly
 
It's the nitrItes, NO2, that will kill your fish.

Yes, change out the water every day. You can do 50% every 12 hours if need be, but you need to get that nitrite reading down to or below .25

In 99% of the cases, freshwater will not hurt your fish. Just make sure it's the same temperature and you use water conditioner to remove/neutralize the chlorine/chloramine.

Here's an article on cycling your tank, or the nitrogen cycle:

http://aquafacts.net/wiki/index.php/Cycling_a_Freshwater_Tank

Roan
 
add 0.1-0.3 % salt to your tank. It temporarily reduces the effect of nitrite toxicity --the chloride ion counteracting the nitrogen blockage of oxygen uptake.
 
Water Change..

I looked at my filter cartridge and it was DISGUSTING!!! Could the cartridge be the problem? I just did a 50% water change..

Does it hurt the fish to do back to back water changes?
 
rinse the filter cartridge with water change water(use the old water), the disgusting part is probably because of the fish load. You are doing gravel vac's right? if not I suggest you start doing it, water changes will keep the water clean, but a gravel vac every week will keep both the tank and the water clean. seriously, you get to be your fishes waste disposal system with one of these :D .
 
Hmmm Gravel Vac's?? Oh BOY! I think I'M going to be making ANOTHER trip to Petsmart LOL!!!! How does that work anyway???
 
Thanks to joephys, I can tell you this:

joephys said:
Back to pressure. Bernoulli’s principle stats that the faster a fluid moves, the lower its pressure. This is the basis for the operation of a python. They water flowing out of the faucet is moving and thus at a lower pressure than the air in the hose. Since pressure tries to equalize, the air in the hose lowers as air runs out of the python outlet with the water. This causes the water to be “sucked” out of the tank. Saying it sucks isn’t quite right. When you suck on a straw you don’t really suck, you cause the pressure in the atmosphere to push the liquid down and it goes up through the straw since the pressure is lower. Here is a picture to help show this.



Bernoulli’s equation is:

P1 + (½ x D x V1^2) + DxGxH1 = P2 + (½ x D x V2^2) + DxGxH2. P is atmospheric pressure, D is density of the fluid, V is the velocity of the fluid, G is the rate of gravity, and H is the depth of the

You can use this to find a flow rate based on pressure. The problem with finding this using a python is that I don’t know what the water pressure coming out of your faucet is (and you can vary it). However, with a regular gravel vac, you can calculate this quite easily. The side with the 1’s is going to be the hose output, and the side with the 2’s is going to be the tank. Since the tank pressure is basically the same as the atmospheric pressure the P’s cancel. The tank water is not moving (for practical purposes), so (½ x D x V2^2)=0. We will let the hose output be zero, so DxGxH1 = 0. This leaves us with:
½ x D x V1^2= D x G x H2
H2 is the height from the hose outlet to the top of the water in the tank. The D’s cancel and multiplying both sides by 2 we get.
V1^2=2xGxH2 or V1=sqrt(2xG x H) sqrt=square root.
Lets just say that the height is about 1.5 feet from the top of the tank water, to the hose out put. Gravity is 32 feet/sec/sec, so
V1= Sqrt ( 2x32x 1.5) =9.8 feet/ sec = 6.7 mph

If the radius of the hose is r= 1/8 of an inch, or 1/96 of a foot then the area of its opening is A=Pi x r^2 = 3.14 x (1/48)^2=.00034 square feet

The flow rate in volume is then, the speed times the area of the opening.
VxA= 8.9 f/s x .00034 square feet = .003 cubic feet per second. Since 1 gallon is .133 cubic feet, then (.003 cf/s) / (.133 cf/gal)= .023 gal/sec.

To get sec/gal, take the inverse of .023, which is 1/.023= 44 sec/gal.

To do a 50% water change in a ten gallon, it takes about 220 seconds, or 3 minutes 40 seconds(5x44). I haven’t timed it or measured the actual height from the hose opening to the water surface, but it does sound about right.

to start the siphon with a regular gravel vac, I just suck the water out of the tank and get my mouth out of the way before I get a mouthfull of fish water, wich, go figure, only happened when I was starting a siphon to do a water change on the saltwater tank. There is other ways of doing it, but they seem to be a lot more stressfull to the fish, so it's probably best to get one of these so you don't end up with a mouthfull of fish water.
 
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