Thanks....I am considering getting two of the Eheim 2028s...they are advertised as 198gph flow rate. So you think this would still not be enough? Some folks have told me to additionally put a HOB on the tank as well....probably an Emp 400 since I already have those. If I did that, would just use some floss and not worry about the carbon cartridges that are sold for that filter. That would make it cheaper. I had hoped to not have a HOB to reduce noise and make the tank more attractive, but I'll do what I have to do for good water quality. I take it you like your XP3s? I see they are rated at about 390 gph....certainly more than the Eheims and of course cheaper. Are they quiet? I've heard a lot of people say they are fairly loud.