Most aggressive cichlid.

[cichlidkeeper91]

What do you guys think is the most aggressive cichlid. Put what ur opinion is.

[sumthin fishy]

Looking at how you stock your tanks, and how you offer poor advice, I dont think you deserve an answer. Why do you want to know anyways? So you can get one to add to the already poorly stocked 55?

[benvardag]

honestly who cares what he puts in his tank...to each his own

[sumthin fishy]

I wouldnt care if fish werent living creatures. But they are. Torturing animals for enjoyment is sick, IMO.

[liv2padl]

i agree with sumthin fishy. fish are living creatures. when you adopt them, it becomes your responsibility to maintain them in the best possible manner. they should 'thrive' in your tank, not just 'survive'. keeping incompatible fish in the same tank makes little sense. keeping fish that grow too large for your tank makes little sense. getting 'the most aggressive fish' just so you can watch it shred the other fish makes no sense.

the number and size of the fish you keep in your tank should be based on several factors. it should not be based solely on the chemistry of your water nor on the magic of the inch per gallon myth. it's more than simply a matter of successfully keeping the ammonia and nitrites at zero or the fact that you may have "great filtration". certainly these are important issues, but one of the most important factors is almost always overlooked. the number and size of fish that one maintains in a tank should be predicated on the "biology" and behaviour of those fish.
this means that the interraction of a mixed community tank and/or the behaviour of a single species is the single most important factor to consider. you want the fish you're keeping to have the ability to exhibit "normal" and functional behaviour. normal behaviour is important. abnormal behaviour results in stress. stress leads to disease. disease can lead to death. for example:

1. if species (A) does not get along with species (B), then these fish don't belong in the same tank no matter how few fish you have or how large the tank. "getting along" is based on the visual and behavioural Q's that each fish species is genetically programmed with.

2. if species (A) has specific food or water chemistry requirements which are completely different from species (B), then these fish don't belong in the same tank no matter how large it is.

3. if species (A) is aggressive and defends a territory of 2 square feet, then you cannot expect to successfully keep more than one of these fish in a tank which is smaller than 2 square feet. convict cichlids are an excellent example of this ... this little fish aggressively defends territories of about two square feet give or take. if you have a tank which allows only that much room and no more, the convict will defend the entire tank to the detriment of any other fish (no matter how large it is) in that tank.

4. if a fish grows to 14 inches in its native environment, stunting it in a 29 gallon tank is poor husbandry. fish maintained in tanks which are too small or in conditions which are too crowded, develop severe stress syndrome. these fish do not exhibit proper color, do not develop proper fin form, do not exhibit proper metabolic development, do not exhibit normal behaviour, do not develop proper musculature, do not develop properly functioning organ systems and as a result, slowly lose their inherant resistance to disease. this results in a significantly shortened lifespan and along the way, lots of diseases for which the poorly conditioned fish is a good target. some will tell you they've "successfully" kept big fish in small tanks ... their definition of "success" probably differs from mine. if a fish is supposed to live for 15 years, then having it survive for 5 years and calling that 'successful' is bunk.

fish need room to swim without having the rest of the tanks inhabitants "in their face" continuously. when crowded, fish exhibit stress syndromes that result in poor color, improper fin form, insufficient metabolic development, do not exhibit proper musculature, do not develop properly functioning organ systems and most importantly slowly lose their inherant resistance to disease. this results in a significantly shortened lifespan and along the way, lots of diseases for which the poorly conditioned fish is a good target..

think about your local lake or river --- the fish are free to inhabit whatever space suits them biologically. if it gets crowded by their standards, some will disperse and move to other areas where they again have the space they need to exhibit functional behaviour.

it's difficult to allow for that "space" in your tank -- the fish have no escape within the confines of your tank so it's up to you to insure that the fish have that space in the first place.

[benvardag]

liv2padl, i do agree with your philosophy but fish will adapt to a new environment. eventhough they may not be given the "textbook" amount of space within their confines that doesnt mean that they will not be able to develop, mature, and live a successfull life without being plagued by disease or death. but of course, if there are too many fish in a tank then i agree. i am a culprit of overstocking for the moment, but only because i know that by the time my cichlids are ready to mate they will have at least a 90g tank. but for the time being, all my fish are juvenile so i really am not too worried about it. if most of your fish are docile then that is also a different story, but i agree fish are animals and do not deserve to be treated unfairly.

[sumthin fishy]

......... but fish will adapt to a new environment. eventhough they may not be given the "textbook" amount of space within their confines that doesnt mean that they will not be able to develop, mature, and live a successfull life without being plagued by disease or death.
Umm, do some research there. Your keeping a fish in a too small tank pending an upgrade won't have much of an impact on a fish. This is fine for the short term. However, fish do not adapt to improper conditions. Mabey I should re-phrase that, they do adapt to thier conditions with a great toll taken on thier health and lifespan. For example, goldfish will grow to the size of thier tank. You can keep them alive in a 1 gallon bowl for 2 years or MORE! Isnt that cool? Too bad they would have lived to 20 years old in a nicely filtered and maintained 55 gallon.

[cichlidkeeper91]

Looking at how you stock your tanks, and how you offer poor advice, I dont think you deserve an answer. Why do you want to know anyways? So you can get one to add to the already poorly stocked 55?a

[bunlet]

I would like to get the dovii or the wolf cichlid but no monies or space :( need like a 180 g tank.

[liv2padl]

I dont have anymore tanks to put the other fish in one might suppose that without the needed additional tanks, you perhaps should not have acquired the fish in first place?

[cichlidkeeper91]

Looking at how you stock your tanks, and how you offer poor advice, I dont think you deserve an answer. Why do you want to know anyways? So you can get one to add to the already poorly stocked 55?
Why dont you shut the F*** up. Your really pissing me off with that crap. My fish are doing just fine.There not fighting or anything. Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright. If I did have any other tanks I would put them in that, but I dont't. So back off.

[sumthin fishy]

Your fish are doing "just fine"? Come back here 10 years from now and let me know how many of them are still alive mmmmkay? I may not be as tactful as L2P is, but the message is the same. We are here to provide the best possible care for these creatures. Not to discover the minimum ammount of care needed so we can enjoy thier shortened lives.

[cichlidkeeper91]

Your fish are doing "just fine"? Come back here 10 years from now and let me know how many of them are still alive mmmmkay? I may not be as tactful as L2P is, but the message is the same. We are here to provide the best possible care for these creatures. Not to discover the minimum ammount of care needed so we can enjoy thier shortened lives.

Dude when are going to stop I'm not listening to you. Ok then, what are the signs of being stressed out, If its losing there color and being shy then thats not the problem, please tell me.

[liv2padl]

fish will adapt to a new environment. eventhough they may not be given the "textbook" amount of space within their confines that doesnt mean that they will not be able to develop, mature, and live a successfull life without being plagued by disease or death actually, fish will not 'adapt' to a space which is too small. they simply don't thrive nor live their genetically programmed lifespan.

i think it's a given that not everyone can afford nor have the space for a 'large' tank. that said, if one doesn't have the proper space for a particular fish, then don't buy that fish. there are so many fish species available ... doesn't it make more sense to purchase fish that fit your tank?

i sometimes use this analogy: if you were kept in a closet, fed twice a day and had your pee bucket emptied every week do you think you'd 'thrive'? more likely, you'd survive but you wouldn't enjoy the experience. you'd be pretty stressed, you wouldn't grow as tall as you should have and your muscles would atrophy due to lack of proper excersize. you'd likely succumb to various diseases and would not live to a 'ripe old age'. it's no different for fish, or for that matter, any form of biological life.

for some reason which has escaped me, fish seem disposable. so many folks have a "if they die, they die .. i'll go buy more .. they're cheap" kind of attitude. we wouldn't treat the pet dog this way but fish? hey, they're just --- fish. i vehemently disagree with this practice. i'm not particularly religious but i know god didn't intend for us to torture animals in our care just because we can.

[benvardag]

live2padl, its not exactly torture, its accidental death. im sure you have had fish die in your lifetime. did you consider it torture?

[Rbishop]

live2padl, its not exactly torture, its accidental death. im sure you have had fish die in your lifetime. did you consider it torture?

It is not "accidental" when done on purpose.

[Rbishop]

What do you guys think is the most aggressive cichlid. Put what ur opinion is.

The one that gets stressed out and kills everything else in the tank with too many fish of the wrong size for their nature.

Of course that one could also be the strongest of the last two.

[managuay86]

hey cichlidkeeper since im the only one that knows where you are coming from I will tell you from my past experiences, in my experience I have noticed that red devils are a lot more aggressive than most cichlids. Now saying this dont use this information to fight fish, thats wrong. and to all the people that were ripping on him you guys should be ashamed of your selves, I know you guys feel for the fish as do I but getting worked up on something that is not even evident is stupid. Have you ever sat and thought that maybe he is just curious? I know I am. Maybe he wants to know so he can stay away from that fish so it wont kill his other fish. Did you read anywhere that he put down "i wanna fight my fish so i wanna know which is more aggressive?" no! you guys are getting worked up for no reason. just relax and calm down and give him the answer and then ask why he would like the answer dont just " hell no! your not getting it cuz i think that u may fight them!" and another thing he did not ask if his tank is too small or over crowded so stop putting in your two cents where it is not needed. Let him find out the hard way if it gets too crowded isnt that how we started out? we all found out the hard way. anyway stop being so ignorant and be so quick to judge. thank you for your time. **** that took forever to write :)

[Rbishop]

I disagree managuay86.

You are not the only one that knows where he is coming from.

This is a forum and we are allowed to put in our 2 cents just as you are.

We did not all find out the hard way and that is not how I started or many others that I know.

Guess he just means well when he recommends improper stocking plans to the newbies as in his other recent posts.

[ChileRelleno]

Why doesn't anyone bother to answer the original question...
And then put their $0.02 in???

The most aggressive Cichlid?
That is a toss up between the Umbee and the Dovii.

Umbee
http://www.worldcichlids.com/fishprofiles/umbee.html
http://www.worldcichlids.com/fotm/images/umbee1.jpg
Dovii
http://www.worldcichlids.com/fotm/oct2004dovii.html
http://www.worldcichlids.com/gallerys/gallery2/pics/rus-dovii-8.jpg

[cichlidkeeper91]

hey cichlidkeeper since im the only one that knows where you are coming from I will tell you from my past experiences, in my experience I have noticed that red devils are a lot more aggressive than most cichlids. Now saying this dont use this information to fight fish, thats wrong. and to all the people that were ripping on him you guys should be ashamed of your selves, I know you guys feel for the fish as do I but getting worked up on something that is not even evident is stupid. Have you ever sat and thought that maybe he is just curious? I know I am. Maybe he wants to know so he can stay away from that fish so it wont kill his other fish. Did you read anywhere that he put down "i wanna fight my fish so i wanna know which is more aggressive?" no! you guys are getting worked up for no reason. just relax and calm down and give him the answer and then ask why he would like the answer dont just " hell no! your not getting it cuz i think that u may fight them!" and another thing he did not ask if his tank is too small or over crowded so stop putting in your two cents where it is not needed. Let him find out the hard way if it gets too crowded isnt that how we started out? we all found out the hard way. anyway stop being so ignorant and be so quick to judge. thank you for your time. **** that took forever to write :)

Thank you managuay86, to every one else except for him because he is sticking up for me. they are not fighting, and if they do I will have to get rid of some of them. And i am not a newbie with cichilds. And dont say anything stupid. Well then rbishop how did you do it the easy way then?

[tonytheboss1]

Why dont you shut the F*** up. Your really pissing me off with that crap. My fish are doing just fine.There not fighting or anything. Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright. If I did have any other tanks I would put them in that, but I dont't. So back off.
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:cool: I really don't think that's the way to go. Sometimes folks will disagree w/ you or critisize what you're doing & time will teach you to accept it for what it is --- THEIR OPINION!! They are entitled to that as you are to yours. Sometimes the critisism comes w/ some merit as in this case & I'll tell you why. Your inquiry as to What do you guys think is the most aggressive cichlid. Put what ur opinion is. Asking questions is fine but sometimes answers might not be what you want to hear. They might be what you need to hear. My vote would be the Parachromis Dovii or Wolf Cichlid. Please donot attempt to add this species to what appears to be a severely overcrowded tank. You already have 2 or 3 of the more aggressive cichlids right now! In fact the Hemichromis fasciatus(that is the "real" name, popular or common name 'Banded jewelfish' or Ghanian jewelfish) hails from W. Africa & is listed as very aggressive, antisocial & should be kept alone in a single species tank 55gl min. The 'JD', 'RD' & Texas are all aggressive cichlids that max around 8/10" & although they can possibly get along in the same tank sometimes, they need way more room & filtration than you can provide right now. (Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright) So wouldn't the logical conclusion be if you can't supply more tank space that maybe you should go w/ less fish?? The basic needs of the fish should always come first. It's not fair to them to place them in an environment that they can't possibly 'thrive' in. Notice I didnot say live or exist. Since you can only work w/ a 55gl for now, do a little more research & choose some species that can 'thrive' within those limits. No one has to learn things the 'hard way'. You can easily learn from observing the successes & failures of others. You can choose which members in this or any other forum are worth listening to or taking advice from. Some are more knowledgable or experienced than others. You can also choose to ignore & travel that road marked 'HARDWAY'. Unfortunately, quite often the fish are the ones that pay w/ their lives. BTW this, aside from the facts, is JMHO. Good Luck

[DaisyTattoo]

I would agree that the only one who is going to learn "the hardway" in this situation is the fish that die. Unfortunately it will then be too late for them. When I was given my 55g tank, it came with 2 ID Sharks. After researching them I realized that keeping them in my tank would be torture for them. And, even though my BF protested, I took them back to LFS. I believe that if you can't provide the proper environment for them, find them a new home. I have found that when my fish are happier, I am also happier with my tank. It is much nicer to look at when you know nothing is suffering bc it doesn't have enough room or doesn't like it's tankmates. The problem with keeping those aggressive fish together until "they begin to have problems" is that when they do begin to have problems, you are probably going to notice when you have one dead in the tank from an overnight fight. That really isn't fair to the fish. But, this is JMO.

[plah831]

Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright.

Very telling. No wonder you don't know any better, when you've never had to pay taxes, bills, car payments, mortgage, student loans, work long hours, get aggravated by your boss who's breathign down your neck about a deadline when he should have brought the assignemnt to you last week, take care of a spouse and kids, worry about finding health insurance, panic over credit card interest rates going up, try to get out of a crummy lease. Maybe then you'd know the worth of "things" including pretty fishies you can buy at the store.

[tonytheboss1]

The problem with keeping those aggressive fish together until "they begin to have problems" is that when they do begin to have problems, you are probably going to notice when you have one dead in the tank from an overnight fight. That really isn't fair to the fish. But, this is JMO

:cool: Bravo! Well said jodimartin2003 That's usually the way it works out w/ the "lets see what happens" plan. :read: research saves lives --- FISH LIVES!!!

[sirasoni]

Nandopsis Beani. If/When you're able to locate one maybe/hopefully you'll have matured...

[cichlidkeeper91]

Why dont you shut the F*** up. Your really pissing me off with that crap. My fish are doing just fine.There not fighting or anything. Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright. If I did have any other tanks I would put them in that, but I dont't. So back off.
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:cool: I really don't think that's the way to go. Sometimes folks will disagree w/ you or critisize what you're doing & time will teach you to accept it for what it is --- THEIR OPINION!! They are entitled to that as you are to yours. Sometimes the critisism comes w/ some merit as in this case & I'll tell you why. Your inquiry as to What do you guys think is the most aggressive cichlid. Put what ur opinion is. Asking questions is fine but sometimes answers might not be what you want to hear. They might be what you need to hear. My vote would be the Parachromis Dovii or Wolf Cichlid. Please donot attempt to add this species to what appears to be a severely overcrowded tank. You already have 2 or 3 of the more aggressive cichlids right now! In fact the Hemichromis fasciatus(that is the "real" name, popular or common name 'Banded jewelfish' or Ghanian jewelfish) hails from W. Africa & is listed as very aggressive, antisocial & should be kept alone in a single species tank 55gl min. The 'JD', 'RD' & Texas are all aggressive cichlids that max around 8/10" & although they can possibly get along in the same tank sometimes, they need way more room & filtration than you can provide right now. (Maybe once I get a job and live on my own I will start getting other, and bigger tanks alright) So wouldn't the logical conclusion be if you can't supply more tank space that maybe you should go w/ less fish?? The basic needs of the fish should always come first. It's not fair to them to place them in an environment that they can't possibly 'thrive' in. Notice I didnot say live or exist. Since you can only work w/ a 55gl for now, do a little more research & choose some species that can 'thrive' within those limits. No one has to learn things the 'hard way'. You can easily learn from observing the successes & failures of others. You can choose which members in this or any other forum are worth listening to or taking advice from. Some are more knowledgable or experienced than others. You can also choose to ignore & travel that road marked 'HARDWAY'. Unfortunately, quite often the fish are the ones that pay w/ their lives. BTW this, aside from the facts, is JMHO. Good Luck

actually I was wrong the fish is a hemichromis frempongi, now this is the real mean one.

[Rbishop]

Thank you managuay86, to every one else except for him because he is sticking up for me. they are not fighting, and if they do I will have to get rid of some of them. And i am not a newbie with cichilds. And dont say anything stupid. Well then rbishop how did you do it the easy way then?

Well, there isn't an "easy" way, at least when I began with cichlids in the mid 70s'.

It wasn't easy because I was like most newbies, wanting the great looking big fish that impressed friends, but I didn't have the funds, knowledge, and proper equipment to handle them.

I guess I lucked out and ran into some very experienced fish keepers that helped curb my impatience, taught me observation and the difference in what you can physically do, and what you should do.

There wasn't the internet forum back then and you had to rely on serious hobbyists and sound LFS help. Just like now, you had to sort out the chaff from the wheat.

It was easy to see the results when I visited a store or home and see the fish/tanks. Not so easy to do that on the internet.

There are almost unlimited combinations of stocking and tank conditions. Something that works for one who is dilligent might not work for the one that isn't. The problem usually arises when a less expirenced individual comes to a conclusion derived on short term results and expouses that as gospel/fact and newbies decide that is the rule, without exceptions, precipitating myths.

It is not so much we disagree with you as it is we disagree with the methods.

Many, many promise to upgrade, get a bigger tank, get rid of the fish (you know those disposable things?), do better next time. The same ones who end up saying..

What do you mean, do water changes?
Test kits?
Water parameters?
No one said I shouldn't!
I ignored the 17 responses that said not to and followed the one exception to the rule.

[managuay86]

quick question... when you "expert hobbiests" give advice is it coming from the text books, personal experience, or what YOU think is right? Has anyone actually went to school or is going to school to actually study fish and fish behavior. I know when I do give advise which is rare because i want people to learn from their own mistakes which sounds terrible yes, but every single hobbiest has lost some fish when they started out if you say you have never lost a single fish then that is a bold faced lie! Anyway When I give advice it is coming from what my professors at my university are teaching me and from my experiences with fish. I only started to get into the hobby when i was 13 which was 7 years ago. I may not be old but i am wise and i know what i am doing.

[Ghost_knife]

I started with a 10G tank when I was 3. We've all gained knowlege and experiences through trial and tribulations. looking at your signature I am wondering about some of the species in there, all of us lose fish but to blatently put incompatable species in a tank to see if they can Co-exist is a very very bad Idea and moreover Immoral and stupid. you ask where our knowlege comes from "text, experience, what we think is right" to answer that all 3. Research dilligently before buying, that way you avoid problems hopefully, no guarentee that it would help. Experience gained from past experiences work hand in hand with personal experience and what we think or know is right. so to sum up my reply we pull knowlege from alot of places and if that dosnt have the answer we pull together here and figure out what the soloution is, everyone has their input. It's your job to see how you take the advice and utilize it and incorperrate that into how you keep fish

[tonytheboss1]

quick question... when you "expert hobbiests" give advice is it coming from the text books, personal experience, or what YOU think is right?

My old friend :) I would have to say a combo of all w/ the addition of the experiences of others far more knowledgable than myself. That does not make me an expert ( although I do know several). It does make me a dedicated & responsible hobbiest. Studying in school is great, my hats off to you, but a lot of lifes lessons & a wealth of knowledge lie outside the classroom. Get all you can from your professors & use it to aid you in researching & making educated, informed decisions. Most of all please remember to share the knowledge w/ your fellow hobbiest.


actually I was wrong the fish is a hemichromis frempongi, now this is the real mean one.

Actually listed as slightly smaller (15cm) to H. fasciatus (20cm) & only moderately aggressive to aggressive depending on the fish. Same family, same water chem, same diet, out of central Ghana. Still more than a handful given your present situation. As before, aside from the facts, this is JMHO. Good Luck

[sumthin fishy]

Ok, want my oppinion? A mated pair of cons, pound for pound, are the most aggressive. There! Now I may have started this thread off on a bad note, but when someone tells a noobie that 3 JDs in a 29 gallon tank is ok, after 3 or 4 people told them not to do it, Im not going to be too nice to them.

When I give advice related to the above mentioned situation, I use none of the 3 methods managuay inquired about. Here's what I do, hmmm, agressive territorial cichlid, can get about 10 inches, tank size is 12" front to back. Nope can't even do one let alone 3 in that tank. I never claimed to be an expert, but that is just common friggin sense! People who abuse dogs, cats, even reptiles in this manner are faced with fines and even time in jail!

[plah831]

I am currently getting a master's degree in ichthyology. i have a background in fish physiology, behavior, and ecomorphology (including locomotion). while i do sometimes go on spiels from my research and reading, a lot of practical aquarium-keeping stuff i get from personal experience.

true, what my prof's teach me is sometimes not relevant to small systems (sometimes even outdated or wrong!), but it brings another point of view. i try to go from both.

in the end, there are tons of people on this forum who do not have advanced degrees, but know from decades of experience. they have as much valuable information as an academic would, if not more, because they can tell you what will work and what won't.

[plah831]

quick question... when you "expert hobbiests" give advice is it coming from the text books, personal experience, or what YOU think is right? Has anyone actually went to school or is going to school to actually study fish and fish behavior.
This is coming from the guy who put a damsel in his FW tank... http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78904

Or should I be commending you for your "scientific" endeavor?

[johaniimaster27]

why dont we all get back to the subject here which was what fish is the most aggressive?

to me the N.beani would be the most aggressive

[johaniimaster27]

nvm wrong thread

[managuay86]

This is coming from the guy who put a damsel in his FW tank... http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78904

Or should I be commending you for your "scientific" endeavor?

if you would have taken the time to read my other thread you would kno that my tank is brackish borderline saltwater but eh....if you say freshwater whatever..... :rolleyes:

[tonytheboss1]

if you would have taken the time to read my other thread you would kno that my tank is brackish borderline saltwater but eh....if you say freshwater whatever.....


There's just one problem w/ that ---- You Don't Have Any "Brackish Borderline Saltwater" Fish!!!! I'm sure your college professors aren't teaching you ANIMAL CRUELTY! Just because the visible signs aren't evident to you dosen't mean the fish aren't suffering!! I don't know what's to be gained by such an insane stunt but torturing innocent creatues for fun or sport is wrong --- DEAD WRONG

[plah831]

thanks, tony. and yes, i am a vegetarian in case you were going to pull that on us.

[tonytheboss1]

;) Noooooo not me. Your choice of diet is --- well your choice. Myself, I guess I'm a meat & potatoes kinda guy. (BTW best of luck w/ your studies) Hopefully you will continue to share knowledge & attempt to enlighten the uninformed who genuinely wish to learn. As for 'OUR' friend who is also in an institution of learning, I just don't understand this reckless disregard for the lives of innocent animals in ones care. To optimize the captive environment should be the goal, I would think. Maybe I'm missing the point(I've done that before) so I'll stop. But you keep doing you cause 'WE' need more scholars. Good Luck

[plah831]

oh, sorry, tony. i wasnt' directing that at YOU, but *ahem ahem* he who shall remain nameless. should have made that clearer.

thanks again for the support :) Good folks like you are what make AC tolerable these days.

as for my studies, I'm just trying to make the world a better place. i think there are still enough good people in it to make it a worthy pursuit. altho with some people, it's obviously a lost cause. but for those who will listen, i would like to think i have a lot to offer.

thanks again!

[tonytheboss1]

:bowing: Gotcha!! I too try to remain optomistic but the realist in me & the time I've spent traveling & observing life on this third planet from the sun (40+ yrs.) leads me to focus my energies on trying to help those who really WANT help. KEEP :read: :clap: :clap:

[managuay86]

this is not the thread for the damsel/cichlid thing its about aggressive cichlids if you have complaints please address them to MY thread thank you :D

[gtp]

I understand the thrill of seeing agressive cichlids fight but I also understand the fishes needs.

I often keep species that have not been remotely recommended together - but only if there is relative harmony.
I do not let my fish tear into eachother all day, like some people do.

In my opinion the most aggressive member of the Cichlidae family by far and away is the Tilapia Buterkoferii.

[Jacksup]

Why is everyone assuming he's stressing fish out and fighting them?

Aggressive fish are just fun to take care of and watch. For instance convicts will chase eachother around all day regardless of what size of tank you have and they are pretty small as far as cichlids go.

I like Oscars because on top of being eating machines they will also bit you if you annoy them enough. Mine bites me when ever I clean his tank.

[fshfanatic]

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[ChileRelleno]

Why is everyone assuming he's stressing fish out and fighting them?

Aggressive fish are just fun to take care of and watch. For instance convicts will chase eachother around all day regardless of what size of tank you have and they are pretty small as far as cichlids go.

I like Oscars because on top of being eating machines they will also bit you if you annoy them enough. Mine bites me when ever I clean his tank.Your first post is in reply to a five (5) year old thread? Gravedigging in the extreme... Nice. :rolleyes:

[fshfanatic]

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[ChileRelleno]

You should be walking away from replying to people's five yr'ol postings....

[fshfanatic]

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[fshfanatic]

You should be walking away from replying to people's five yr'ol postings....
Thanks for pointing that out. Had I noticed I wouldnt have replied..