take a look to this video!!!...

[Gian krlo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOjStYCv5cU

hope you like it

[sumthin fishy]

hope you like it
or do you hope it gets everyone all pissed off and starts yet another cotroversial thread?

[Emg]

Wow...that looks like one slightly over occupied tank....but besides that, it sure looked like that very large clown loach was trying to play referee ! :rolleyes:

[Rowangel]

:rolleyes:

[cichlidkeeper91]

Hey what was that striped and grey looking fish. Is it a texas or something. It just looks different.

[The Kraken]

cool tank. and you thoght everyone whould be mad :sim:

[Gian krlo]

or do you hope it gets everyone all pissed off and starts yet another cotroversial thread?

nope, i didnt hope for that, i just wanted to show people this video to make the ones that doesnt know that this tank is way overcrowed, and "hope you like it" becuase of the music...hahaha

[threejjj]

Actually I have seen the owner of this tank on another forum and I think he has a 210 gallon tank. So it is not that overstocked. So I realy have no idea what sumthinfishy is complaining about.

[sumthin fishy]

So I realy have no idea what sumthinfishy is complaining about.
Start with the title of the video, then work your way to the fact that these fish have just about nothing large enough for them to hide behind to escape the agrression. I wouldnt doubt if they go at it like this all the time. Is it overstocked where bioload is concerned? Not at all IMO, but as far as agression/compatability is concerned? Not a good setup at all. Yet another person who feels fish should be mistreated for our enjoyment.

It's hard to count but I think there are about 7 cichlids in there, and Im still trying to figure out if thats the tail of a BGK at arround 40 seconds into it.

[threejjj]

As far as I can tell all of the fins look great on all of those fish and their colors are stunning. So I dont think they are constantly getting beat up. My Severum and JD fight from time to time, but never hurt each other, Am I being a bad fishkeeper?

[plah831]

these fish have just about nothing large enough for them to hide behind to escape the agrression.
I totally agree! just because cichlids can be aggressive, doesn't mean they should be all the time. it's stressful, plain and simple. how would you like it if your mother-in-law was bickering and nagging you 24/7? not a very good quality of life.

[cichlidkeeper91]

As far as I can tell all of the fins look great on all of those fish and their colors are stunning. So I dont think they are constantly getting beat up. My Severum and JD fight from time to time, but never hurt each other, Am I being a bad fishkeeper?

yes what he said.

[Gian krlo]

yes what he said.
yes what they said! :laugh:

[cichlidkeeper91]

yes what they said! :laugh:

Well sumthin fishy is right that you should get some big rocks so they can hide behind just to get away. You should probably do that. Thats what I did.

[managuay86]

:hi: wow I saw nothing wrong... All I saw was a couple of cichlids being bored and having a little fun. It did not look serious at all. The fins are fine the colors were on full blast and the music was catchy too :laugh: I have seen serious cichlid fights BELIEVE ME THEY ARE VIOLENT! I had a red devil (deebo the picture by my name.) I had to seperate him from all my other cichlids I used to have him with two jags, a texas, a dovii, and a jack. He killed the texas and the jack, the only cichlids that held their own were the jags and dovii. They suffered a horrible death. :sad: Im not going to go into details but lets just say that my jack had a BROKEN JAW before he died. :sad: anyway what I saw was a light hearted arguement not a serious brawl.

[quote]Actually I have seen the owner of this tank on another forum and I think he has a 210 gallon tank. So it is not that overstocked. So I realy have no idea what sumthinfishy is complaining about.
Yesterday 04:24 PM[quote]

dont worry he thinks he is the best fish keeper and basically complains about every little thing he can think of. anyway You have very nice fish Gian krlo

[cichlidkeeper91]

don't worry he thinks he is the best fish keeper and basically complains about every little thing he can think of. anyway You have very nice fish Gian krlo[/QUOTE]
Yes thank you for saying that. That is very true. He got on my case about my fish and it really pissed me off because my fish are not fighting or anything.

[managuay86]

its ok he got on my case becuz i converted my cichlids to brackish water and they are all doing great. He thinks that he is like a saint, that he is this super humanitarian but what he doesnt realize is that they are after all just animals and cannot sit down and logically think about their actions... they are fish yes they are smarter than most fish but they will do what they want... but anyway yeah hes annoying. :) how long have you had your fish for??? becuz they look really nice.

[cichlidkeeper91]

its ok he got on my case becuz i converted my cichlids to brackish water and they are all doing great. He thinks that he is like a saint, that he is this super humanitarian but what he doesnt realize is that they are after all just animals and cannot sit down and logically think about their actions... they are fish yes they are smarter than most fish but they will do what they want... but anyway yeah hes annoying. :) how long have you had your fish for??? becuz they look really nice.

Oh you saw my fish. Well I just Got my h. frempongi like two weeks ago. And I got my other fish in april this year. From a place by me called pets inc. Its a really awsome store.

[cyberbeer65]

I think I'm getting 3 or 4 clowns for both of my tanks now.

[managuay86]

really cool, I work at a petstore so im kinda familiar with most cichlids and that one looks like a five spot jewel but im not too sure it was nice though
i gotta do more research on that.. anyway how long have you been in the hobby???

[cichlidkeeper91]

in fish or cichilds. Well in fish about 2 years. my first fish was a betta. man i thought those things were mean. I was wrong.
Well the h. frempongi are pretty rare and you cant really import them here. Even I cant find anything on them. What petstore do you work at.

[managuay86]

by the way I added you to myspace my name is O.C.

[cichlidkeeper91]

by the way I added you to myspace my name is O.C.
sweet i added you. did you like my background and my music. Hey do you like cars watch the video. With the supra and that huge *** turbo. Thats mine. pssh yea right I wish.

[Sully]

i have to agree with whomever said it looked pretty tame for a cichlid confrontation. wonder if there are (or soon to be) any eggs over in that right corner? Maybe something going on in the left side of the tank. Afterall it looked like every fish in the tank was to the right.

I have seen many experienced fishkeepers suggest 3-5 Severums for a 75. I won't. but that does not make me better or right. I mean I am a basic dummy that keeps 2 angels, a school of neon/cardinal tetras, a few rams, and some small loaches (6 sidthimunkis and a couple of wee clowns) in a 75 and thinks of it as overcrowded). oh, there are some otos (except I think the angels have been eating them) and bristlenoses working to keep the plants clean.

I won't talk about my 225 right now. It is a little crowded. More than anything it has two species (satanoperca jurupari and geophagus brasiliensis) that just don't seem to get along.

in case you have not yet watched the video--it is incredibly tame for a cichlid confrontation. Heck have you ever seen the mating dance of severums? When they do the fishy fandango it is much more violent than the video. and severums are "gentle". Cichlids get nasty when they are doing the nasty--or protecting territory -- especially during spawning process and when defending free swimmers. wonder if there are (or soon to be) eggs over in that right corner--maybe already there to the left. It seems like pairs working together. i just don't have the time to rewatch the video for a third time.

Gotta love clown loaches. i bet they were playing sheriff. or these guys, like mine, just like to get in the middle of things to see who they can stick. Maybe even have some caviar.

Why rocks in the tank to hide behind? might more grasses/durable plants and wood work better given the species and the mutants the video was displaying?

Wait, wait wait, did i say "mutants". was some one keeping "mutant" fish in a tank? a hobbyist purchased mutant fish? a hobbyist helped support a commercial entity playing god for profit and it was not railed about? my oh my how things slip or go unnoticed. and it was an excellent opportunity for a diatribe.

definitely a black ghost knife in there. My guess is it is a 125 gallon tank. If that is the case the tank is too small--regardless of other fish population--for the bgk. that thing will hit the 22-24" mark in the proper tank. with the appropriate diet. Only took me about 2.5 years to get mine to 18". So please do not tell me it is ok to house them in small tanks because they are "slow growers".

And my golly the bgk will not really enjoy his company in that tank--ever see a bgk attack big cichlids--goes right for the gill membranes. or they just open that incredibly long jaw and try to take nice bites. Mine actually tried to take a head on bite out of my gymnogeophagus gymnogenys "brazil" (see avatar). dang thing just stuck his entire head into the bgk's mouth until the bgk yelled "uncle and hurried away to his hiding spot.

Doubt if the water turns per hour in that tank creates the current that the bgk enjoys either. I hooked up a 2nd pump in my tank for the bgk (even have it running still even though the bgk has been rehomed) that pushed 1600 gph (the primary pump does about 1200 gph). the bgk loved it. would swim in the current all the time.

those clowns in the video are small guys. Hopefully they can make it to size (they get well over a foot in length, they are a schooling fish). amazing the condemnation of content and conditions did not carry over to that species as well.

A controversial video--you bet ya. because of the casual contact between cichlids? hardly. so much more to get riled up about if you want.

looks like some kid was enjoying his fish to me. showing all his buds how "tough" fish can be--lol. if only he knew. looks like a case of a teenage hormone with camera and basic editing software.

[sumthin fishy]

[QUOTE=managuay86dont worry he thinks he is the best fish keeper and basically complains about every little thing he can think of. anyway You have very nice fish Gian krlo[/QUOTE]
I never said I am the best fishkeeper, and the only thing I am advocating against is animal abuse. But I guess everyone is entitled to thier oppinions. Mine is: people who mistreat animals need to have thier faces bashed in. Yours is: animals have no value outside of using them for your enjoyment, and are actually more enjoyable if you watch them suffer.

[cichlidkeeper91]

[QUOTE=managuay86dont worry he thinks he is the best fish keeper and basically complains about every little thing he can think of. anyway You have very nice fish Gian krlo
I never said I am the best fishkeeper, and the only thing I am advocating against is animal abuse. But I guess everyone is entitled to thier oppinions. Mine is: people who mistreat animals need to have thier faces bashed in. Yours is: animals have no value outside of using them for your enjoyment, and are actually more enjoyable if you watch them suffer.[/QUOTE]
Yea but we dont do that.

[fishcatch22]

please, guys, CALM DOWN!!!! I don't want this evolving into another pointless debate about morals. something interesting happend in his tank that he most likely did not intentionally instigate and since they weren't realy hurting each other, he deceided to show it to all of us as a larf. there are better ways to spend one's time! like, for example, helping people who need help at this website and not harassing people trying to boost this sites low morale.

[dorkfish]

I second that that was quite laid back for a "fight". Personally, I've had gourami fights resulting in deformed spines.

[Gian krlo]

Well sumthin fishy is right that you should get some big rocks so they can hide behind just to get away. You should probably do that. Thats what I did.

mmmm...uhhh....who told him those are my fish??? :p:

[cichlidkeeper91]

mmmm...uhhh....who told him those are my fish??? :p:

Oh those arent even your fish.

[Gian krlo]

common stop fighting... look my parents are americans but im from a country where beautiful cichlids come from, GT (Green terror) and RT (red terror)... is Ecuador and i have seen things here that my father (he love fish) didnt know... two full grown oscars and a gt in a 55 gallon tank.... yes that and a jaguar with a red terror in a 70gal....and some other that you wont belief, and to tell you the truth those fish were beautiful!!! man i was jelous about it!!!! i asked the first time: HOW CAN YOU HAVE THIS FISH LIKE THIS??!! and they answer me: look man this fish are ok in this tank they have 9 years and iwent like wow!! i ask several things like are they happy,do they fight and that and they told me no theyre happy cause they let us touch them and rub theyre head (oscar, GT, RT. full grown, scary for me)... but that was cool they know what theyre doing man, but really that was so cool!!!! :laugh:

i wont forget this experience :dance2:

[sirasoni]

I'd imagine that the people who are getting all worked up over that "aggression" would have heart attacks seeing actual cichlid confrontations...That isn't abuse; abuse is when a festae jumps out of the water to bite your hand as you're getting ready to gravel vac :thud: <--(i cant get over that smiley)

[Delco]

That is too funny, did you see that fin sweep!!!

[Slappy*McFish]

My Salvinis raise much more hell than that when they are courting and spawning. They literally rip each others lips to shreds.