Can you tell me what kind of fish I have?

[JulieC]

This is my latest rescue. I'm not really sure what it is. Any ideas? He's about 6 inches TL and roughly 6 months old.

Don't worry about the eye, it was just the reflection from the flash...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/fsjjc3/NewFish2.jpg

He's a lot redder than the picture shows. His finnage is red and his body has a red tint to it.

[liv2padl]

you'll need to give us a better picture than that i think, before identification is possible. for me at least, it's too dark to see much.

[JulieC]

Most of my pics are pretty dark, so far. Hopefully these help:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/fsjjc3/NewFish3.jpg
During feeding time...sorry for the mess, but you know cichlids!
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/fsjjc3/NewFish1.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/fsjjc3/NewFish4.jpg
I know this one is really dark, but it shows his color really well in the tail.

I'll see if I can get some better pics tonight.

[KingOfTheDeep]

it almost looks like a lesser quality Red terror..

[is300zx]

I'm not totally sure but it could be one of this http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_festae.php

[JulieC]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :)
I actually posted on another board that he kind of reminded me of a red terror!

It's also funny because I had no intentions on getting a red terror, but I was researching them about two months ago. I even posted an inquiry about them here...

He was getting beat up by a sev and bp in a 38g, so I am hoping the color on him brightens up more once he's in my 75 for awhile.

[KingOfTheDeep]

looking at it closer..i'd put my money on it being a barred midas
http://www.aquanet.de/privat/russegger/galerie/festae4.jpg

[JulieC]

Wow. I see what you mean!

[dvsgp6]

no its a red terror i have one thats y

[Rallysman]

Its not a red terror. Looks more like a mayan.

I say it's not a Festae because the front bars don't meet and the spot on the tail fin is not up high enough.

[KingOfTheDeep]

Its not a red terror. Looks more like a mayan.

I say it's not a Festae because the front bars don't meet and the spot on the tail fin is not up high enough.

i agree..it does look sort of like a mayan..hmmmmmmmmmm

[JulieC]

Someone on another forum thought that he was a mayan, too.

After I started talking about his temperment, it lead them to believe that they were wrong. He's only aggressive with tankmates at the end of feeding time when there are still pickings on the bottom...I've heard that mayans are super aggressive. Then again, I am a big proponent of "fish have different personalities like people do" and this one could just be a docile mayan. Is there such a thing? :)

[Rallysman]

Definitely possible. I know the temperament depends on the fish lol
If you look at the front bar, its it 100% connected to the bar behind it?
Is the tail spot covering less than half of the tail (on the upper half)?
How big is it? I think a Festae would have more color at the size that the picture portrays.

[JulieC]

Thanks so much for all of your help.

Rallysman--I'm at work now, but when I get home I'll take a look and let you know about the coloring! As far as size, I'd say about 7 inches. My friend said she'd had him for 5 months and started out at about 2 inches and the color change just started happening in the last month. I don't know if that helps your ID, but I figured I'd put it out there.

[Rallysman]

If it was a Festae at that size, it should have much more intense colors. It could be stressed though.

[JulieC]

Okay. To answer the questions...

No, the bars are not connected fully.
The tail spot is in the middle of the tail and takes up about half of the tail.

I think it was just wishful thinking when I said he reminded me of a festae...

[Rallysman]

I think so too:)
Still, it's a nice fish

[JulieC]

Thanks.

The more I have him, the more I like him. He is so social with me...not like my angels that are just begging for food...he seems to be genuinely interested in me!

[ScottoMacD]

My 2 cents.

I'm 100% sure it is not a festae. As mentioned the color is nowhere close to what it should be.

After playing around with the color on your pictures. I'm not even too sure that it is a Urophthalmus.

Hard to tell without seeing a clear view of the tail. Granted though it does have that Uro face. But those spots on the anal fin is not uro. I am starting towards a uro hybrid cross of some sorts

What is throwing me for a loop is the small amount of orange tinge just behind the gill plates in your newfish2 picture.

Either way time will tell what it is. A clear close picture would help greatly.

[Reiner]

I'm with Scott on this 1.
It is certainly not a festae and for a Uro the orange belly is throwing me off and the tail spot is not big / prominent enough.
IMO you probably have a hybrid

[JulieC]

Bocourti or Bocourti hybrid seems to be a resounding answer that I've gotten elsewhere.

He's still really young (about 6 mos.) so I'll know once he grows for sure!

Thanks to everyone for your thought on this one!

[Muhammed Saad]

its a red terror

[JulieC]

its a red terror

I'm sorry, but I and 100% of the people that I have talked to in the last week disagree. Thank you for your input, though.

[ScottoMacD]

I know that this thread is a little old.
But it has been bugging me a little since then.

I just today picked up a 5 inch male Bocourti.

The coloring is the EXACT same as in your pictures.

I am sure that you were right in your last post Julie. It is a bocourti.
That orange that I said was throwing me in the coloring is a blazing orange on my new fish.

Whoever name it from the start really hit the nail on the head.

[cichlidkid0729]

that's a red terror. look at the tail spot. festaes have a spot that only is half of the height of the begining of the tail

[liv2padl]

cichlidkid is right. DEFINITELY a red festae.

[ScottoMacD]

cichlidkid is right. DEFINITELY a red festae.

I respectfully disagree.

It is a bocourti or a bocourti cross of some sort.

100% sure that it is NOT a red terror.

Take a good look at the first picture again.

[nycsicktank]

im 99.9 sure thats red terror

[Jason_S]

viewing the pic on a different monitor I can now see that fish is 99.9% (formerly) Herichthys bocourti. Here is a link with some pics of jumbo adult bocourti so you can see what your beauty will become. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/h_bocourti.php

I currently have a bocourti just a little bit smaller than the one you posted. I also used to have a breeding pair of festae that I kept for around 4 years or so and I am positive that fish is not a festae. :)

[cichlidkid0729]

that's just a stressed red terror, look at the tail and the Y-bar near the front. it's a red terror or a red terror hybrid atleast

[cichlidkid0729]

i don't own one, but i was seriously looking into it, and, being the responsible fish keeper that i am, i spent probably 4-5 hours researching them. and boy, did that tick off my family

[liv2padl]

compare the caudal spot on the bocourti and the festae and you'll see that the occeli on the caudal peduncle is barely visible on a bocourti and prominant on the festae. it's a festae.

[cichlidkid0729]

look at thishttp://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/7767132093_0.jpgred terrorhttp://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/img/Amphilophus_festae_2.jpghttp://www.cichlids-reflex.info/galleries/amerique-centrale/cichlasoma/bocourti/thumbnail/CR-cichlasoma-bocourti-00.jpgbocourti

[geno8701]

I have no Idea

[Jason_S]

the fish is definitely not a festae...I'll say mayan is a possibility but I still say bocourti. I downloaded the best pic and enlarged the pic and brightened it up a bit and I've also attached a pic of the festae pair I used to have.

the mystery fish here in question doesn't have a very noticeable caudal spot and it definitely doesn't look like the traditional "eye spot" of either a festae or uro. the eye spot on a festae or uro has a blue ring around it with black in the middle which gives it the look of an eye...hence the term "eye spot". the fish in question does have a large spot (more likely the last vertical bar) on the caudal peduncle but it doesn't have the blue ring around it.

also, at the size this fish is, if it were a male it would not have any vertical bars unless stressed or showing aggression, and a female would have blue/black on the front 1/3-1/2 of the dorsal fin and the pelvic fins would be the same blue/black.

I also don't see any Y bar that a festae would have. all the vertical bars appear to be strictly vertical which could make an argument for the fish being a uro. however, the orange region behind the gills is a trait of a bocourti, not of either uro or festae.

bocourti change quite a bit when they get older so adult pics won't help nearly as much in helping to ID the fish. so here, about 3/4 of the way down the page is a pic of a bocourti that is a little larger than the fish in question but has a similar appearance. the one in this link is starting to go through its color change and the vertical bars aren't apparent like the fish here in question but you can see the orange region on the abdominal area and the greenish tint to the face as well as the similar body shape.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/aquashop-true/cichlid/hp-2cichlid.htm

[ScottoMacD]

the fish is definitely not a festae...I'll say mayan is a possibility but I still say bocourti. I downloaded the best pic and enlarged the pic and brightened it up a bit and I've also attached a pic of the festae pair I used to have.

the mystery fish here in question doesn't have a very noticeable caudal spot and it definitely doesn't look like the traditional "eye spot" of either a festae or uro. the eye spot on a festae or uro has a blue ring around it with black in the middle which gives it the look of an eye...hence the term "eye spot". the fish in question does have a large spot (more likely the last vertical bar) on the caudal peduncle but it doesn't have the blue ring around it.

also, at the size this fish is, if it were a male it would not have any vertical bars unless stressed or showing aggression, and a female would have blue/black on the front 1/3-1/2 of the dorsal fin and the pelvic fins would be the same blue/black.

I also don't see any Y bar that a festae would have. all the vertical bars appear to be strictly vertical which could make an argument for the fish being a uro. however, the orange region behind the gills is a trait of a bocourti, not of either uro or festae.

bocourti change quite a bit when they get older so adult pics won't help nearly as much in helping to ID the fish. so here, about 3/4 of the way down the page is a pic of a bocourti that is a little larger than the fish in question but has a similar appearance. the one in this link is starting to go through its color change and the vertical bars aren't apparent like the fish here in question but you can see the orange region on the abdominal area and the greenish tint to the face as well as the similar body shape.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/aquashop-true/cichlid/hp-2cichlid.htm

Nicely said Jason. You put into words exactly what I was thinking.

I am also still convinced that it is a bocourti. I will try and snap some pictures of mine if I get a chance.