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Maybe some of you already know this, but my tank is getting overcrowded!
I now have 1 angelfish(one died! but he didnt look to healthy to begin with...:(), 1 rosy barb (but I am taking him back to the pet store, he is vicious.) 2 gourami's, bought from walmart. Didnt say if they were dwarf or not. And 1 pleco and a gold mystery snail.
All in a 10 gallon tank.
And well, yea i know its overcrowded. But since I am low on money (and the 2 angels were X-mas presents) I cant afford to upgrade. I was going for a 20 gallon, either buying one or having my dad build me one. He refused :(
So now, my plan is to buy another 10 gallon tank. Move the angel, and either the snail or pleco into that tank, and leave the 2 gourami's in the old one. What do you think? Would it be big enough?
And if it helps, my angel fish is a silver one.. (I dont really know if there is a color//size ratio, but if it helps....)
Ps- sorry that this post seems very rushed, I am kinda hurrying!
Malbri
12-28-2006, 5:18 PM
well angels do need more room, if you really need to you could buy a large rubbermaid for them and cut holes in the top to put the filter in and everything and put a ceramic plate for a heater, it would be cheep and kinda ugly but better then the ten gallon
Rbishop
12-28-2006, 5:21 PM
follow some of the advice in this thread...
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91681
Mgamer20o0
12-28-2006, 5:25 PM
angel needs more then a 10 gal tank. even a 20 i think is too small. once again what kind of pleco do you have? common plecos which lfs most of the time sell get to 26 inch long.
DaisyTattoo
12-28-2006, 5:36 PM
A healthy full grown angel should be as large or larger than the palm of an adults hand. That is obviously way too small for a 10G tank. I don't even want to start with how large the pleco will get, and if you have 2 male gourami's you might start running into the problem of fighting. I'm sorry you are in the situation you are, but your best bet is to take the angels, barb, and pleco back to the store, presents or not. You are doing them a great disservice to keep them in a tank that small. I would them separate the gouramis. Your mystery snail, I am assuming it is a brig, will do better if you feed him some fresh veggies, such as zucchini and cucumber as well. Good luck! I hope you do the right thing.
A healthy full grown angel should be as large or larger than the palm of an adults hand. That is obviously way too small for a 10G tank. I don't even want to start with how large the pleco will get, and if you have 2 male gourami's you might start running into the problem of fighting. I'm sorry you are in the situation you are, but your best bet is to take the angels, barb, and pleco back to the store, presents or not. You are doing them a great disservice to keep them in a tank that small. I would them separate the gouramis. Your mystery snail, I am assuming it is a brig, will do better if you feed him some fresh veggies, such as zucchini and cucumber as well. Good luck! I hope you do the right thing.
The only fish I ever really wanted were the angels, but 20+ gallons for one fish is just to much. The snail, he's a happy little fella. He always is on the go. What could be the problem there?
I have the money to go buy a start kit, a 29 gallon aquarium. It was like, 90 something at walmart. I thought that was a really good deal. I might buy it, but then again, for only one fish????
DaisyTattoo
12-28-2006, 5:42 PM
You could put the angels in the 29G although I would still say this is pretty small for a full grown angel. If your snail is always on the go, that means he is always looking for food. I'm not saying you HAVE to feed them veggies, they just do better if you do.
GirlieGirl8521
12-28-2006, 5:52 PM
I have the money to go buy a start kit, a 29 gallon aquarium. It was like, 90 something at walmart. I thought that was a really good deal. I might buy it, but then again, for only one fish????
You can add more fish. :)
The angel is going to be stunted in the 10g and will die prematurely. :( Go for the 29g! The fish will live a much happier life.
You can add more fish. :)
The angel is going to be stunted in the 10g and will die prematurely. :( Go for the 29g! The fish will live a much happier life.
I hope so! I hope you all know that I mean well for these fish, Im really not the kind who goes out to the store and picks the cutest fish possible, then have them die the next day. Im really not. But, this is just interesting to me and I hope you all know I have researched my BUTT off!! I never though it'd be this hard to keep a few fish!
Someone working at walmart told me angelfish are best left on their own.(i seriously dont trust walmart staff, they've NOT been decent to me in the past...)If he was right, what could I combine mine with in a 29 gallon tank? Or, just another angel? ...
Oh. I uploaded some pictures, if it helps determine the size ratio for now. How long do you think I have? I hope you can see the fish.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/Softy2010/1228061740.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/Softy2010/1228061741.jpg
DaisyTattoo
12-28-2006, 6:29 PM
They will do fine as a pair. I don't think you will have any problems. Angels that have grown up alone, do better alone, but for juveniles, you should be just fine. If you start having problems, you can always get rid of one later.
nick_flano22
12-29-2006, 1:18 AM
Thats one tiny angelfish, by the way it would do perfect in a 29g with a couple of smaller tetras, but no tiger barbs!!!
DaisyTattoo
12-29-2006, 10:40 AM
My angel has grown from the size of a dime to about as round as a soda can minus the fins. I got the angel in April...I hope this helps you with the growth rate ;)
jm1212
12-29-2006, 10:47 AM
you should get the 29 gallon ASAP. angels are awsome fish and will live longer in a 29 gallon because they wont be stunted
you could have another angel in that tank as well, and a school of 6 tetras like balck skirts, red eyes, lemon, or diamonds. stay away from neons and cardinals, for the angels will eventually eat them. for the bottom of the tank, 4 corydoras will be fine.
if your brother is getting a 10 gallon, move one of the dwarf gouramis in to his tank. both will be much happier- from the photo it looked like they were fighting a bit. once you move one of the gourami to another 10 gallon, you can add 6 neons to both.
you should probably take back the pleco, because they get to 2 feet long...
just to clarify-
29 gallon
2 angels
6 tetras like balck skirts or red eyes
4 corydoras
10 gallon (first)
1 dwarf gourami
6 neons
10 gallon (second)
1 dwarf gourami
6 neons.
GirlieGirl8521
12-29-2006, 11:06 AM
You have to be careful putting 2 angels together because they are hard to sex when young. You could end up with a pair, which is great, or you could end up with 2 adult angels that beat the crap out of each other.
If it were me, I'd go with the one angel in the 29g and then add 1 or 2 schools of fish and some bottom feeders. You'll be surprised how big angels get and 2 in a 29g makes the tank look really small. Also if you get another and they end up hating each other, you may have a bunch of dead fish (if you add more than just angels). I'd stick with one...let it be the beautiful centerpiece.
I keep my angel with tetras, cories, loaches, bolivian ram, otos, and a bristlenose....in a 55g. They don't have to be kept alone. They live fine with other fish. I'd definitely skip Neons though....but Black Neons would be fine.
Star_Rider
12-29-2006, 11:08 AM
to start a 10 is too small for an ADULT angel. your angel is a small juvenile and will be fine in the 10 for a few weeks. I've use 10's to grow angels out from tiny eraser size to about dime size(that's when I either sell them, trade them or give them away)
really tho...
if you can get the 29 do so..that is a great size for a pair of angels. the 29 is usually taller than a 30 shorter but taller. tall is important for angels as they will need that for finnage.
the gourami looks to bee dwarf from the pic..should be okay in the 10. gouramis and angels usually not a good mix..but it has worked for some..
with the angel..avoid neons..they work for some but my experience with angel is that the neon will become a snack.
you can have dithers.hatchets or larger tetras..for a bottom dweller either cories or a bn cat..
softy
12-29-2006, 12:21 PM
you should get the 29 gallon ASAP. angels are awsome fish and will live longer in a 29 gallon because they wont be stunted
you could have another angel in that tank as well, and a school of 6 tetras like balck skirts, red eyes, lemon, or diamonds. stay away from neons and cardinals, for the angels will eventually eat them. for the bottom of the tank, 4 corydoras will be fine.
if your brother is getting a 10 gallon, move one of the dwarf gouramis in to his tank. both will be much happier- from the photo it looked like they were fighting a bit. once you move one of the gourami to another 10 gallon, you can add 6 neons to both.
you should probably take back the pleco, because they get to 2 feet long...
just to clarify-
29 gallon
2 angels
6 tetras like balck skirts or red eyes
4 corydoras
10 gallon (first)
1 dwarf gourami
6 neons
10 gallon (second)
1 dwarf gourami
6 neons.
Yea. Actually, the blue one is acting like, the 'king'. He's never extremely vicious to any of the fish, but he does try and command them. But, he never nips at them, just sorta runs into them. My dad was wondering if him and the orange one were a pair, since they had been hanging out. I dunno.
Well, Im going up to walmart in about a half an hour. Hopefully I'll end up getting the tank, although I think dad doesnt want me spending my christmas money on it. Oh well.
Is there anyway of keeping both gourami's in the same tank?
And also, with my pleco, I was kinda waiting till he gets bigger, then was going to give him to my dad for his oscar tank. But Oscar eats pretty much anything, so I was going to wait until he gets bigger. If not, my dad is friends with people who work in Super Pet, so I will just donate him if my dad cant take him.
dorkfish
12-29-2006, 12:53 PM
My dad was wondering if him and the orange one were a pair, since they had been hanging out.
Look at the fishes top fins... Males will have a pointed top fin (like pictured in the larger fish here (http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/dwrfgour.htm)), while females will have a rounded top fin.
although I think dad doesnt want me spending my christmas money on it.
Not to be rude, but I think the point of getting money for christmas is so that you can pick out exactly what you want...
Is there anyway of keeping both gourami's in the same tank?
If there male and female, or two females... should be no problem. If there two males, many people have had success keeping multiple male drawf gouramis in the same tank, as long as there is plenty of decor for hiding in and breaking up the lines of sights (I have too, and only saw minor aggresion, nothing to worry about).
And also, with my pleco, I was kinda waiting till he gets bigger, then was going to give him to my dad for his oscar tank. But Oscar eats pretty much anything, so I was going to wait until he gets bigger. If not, my dad is friends with people who work in Super Pet, so I will just donate him if my dad cant take him.
Be sure not to leave them in a small tank too long... In my expierience (with somebody elses tank that I stepped in to help with), even small common plecos can easily put out so much waste that, combined with few other fishes, you will be able to see a lot of the waste soon before your weekly water change comes up. Now imagine that in a 10...