Need help picking new tanks

[blue209]

So, before I get to how many fish we have just let me say the whole point of this post is to get suggestions on bigger tanks and splitting up the fish. Me and my girlfriend decided to go crazy buying fish and now we have way to many for the size tanks we have. Neither one of us really knew anything about fish before getting these setups. Now we know better. Both of us are animal lovers and want the fish to be happy. The whole reason we got the big tank was to house 2 6" tinfoil barbs (R.I.P) and the Large Pleco below that where growing in a 5g tank for 5 years. Anyway here's what we have.

40g
2 Blood Parrots - 3" ea.
2 Gourami - 3" ea.
2 Diskus - 3" ea.
2 Bat fish - 4" ea.
2 Angel Fish - 3" ea.
2 Black Ghost - 3" ea.
2 Pleco - 4" and 8"
1 Tire Track Eel - 8"

20g
2 Tiger Oscars - 4" ea.
1 Snowflake Eel - 18"
1 Green Spotted Puffer - 3"

Now, I know this is way too many and too large of fish for these tanks. Also, I know that in time the puffer and eel will need brackish water. So, what would be your suggestions on tanks to get and how to split up the fish. All the fish seem happy for now but it won't be long before they grow and then they won't be very happy anymore. Thank you for any help you can give us.

<brandon>

[jessicar613]

Wow...

You guys picked some neat fish! I'll be interested to hear the suggestions you get.

Now for a cold beer, some popcorn...sit back... and wait for the train wreck. ;)

[Reddog80p]

I'll sit next to you Jessicar613, can you pass the popcorn?

[jessicar613]

Of course, I hope you brought your own beer though! I think we're gonna be here a while. :)

[Ghost_knife]

holy hell. train wreck, car crash and possibly More... How can the MOVE!

[Mgamer20o0]

can i get pop corn also.....

well i say your doing the first best thing. coming here and learning and wanting to change.

20g
2 Tiger Oscars - 4" ea.
1 Snowflake Eel - 18"
1 Green Spotted Puffer - 3"

i think snowflake eel is a salt water eel. that needs to be sent back right away.

1 oscar need 75 gal tank min you need to find someone to house them or get your self a 150 tank or so.

green spotted puffer is a brackish water and needs to be sent back right away

40g
2 Blood Parrots - 3" ea.
2 Gourami - 3" ea.
2 Diskus - 3" ea.
2 Bat fish - 4" ea.
2 Angel Fish - 3" ea.
2 Black Ghost - 3" ea.
2 Pleco - 4" and 8"
1 Tire Track Eel - 8"

common plecos get 26 in long and need to be in a pond more then a tank.

Tire Track Eel get to be 30 inch long i think

black ghost knifes get to be 26 inch long need 200 gal for one. (want one my self but dont have the room to keep it)

discus are better kept in groups. they need 15-20 gal per fish.

Bat fish are salt water i think and need to be taken back right away.

angels should not be kept with Gourami

2 Blood Parrots should be kept in a 55 gal or so

i dont know how to got all these fish in there but you need to do something about it right away before they all die of. if the tanks are new you need to read on cycling. http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84598

if you let us know how many and how big of tanks you will get we can help you with what you should keep.

20 gal
2 Gourami

40g
2 angelfish

get a 55 gal and you can keep the 2 Blood Parrots. the rest take back.

[Star_Rider]

WOW..where do you start??

how many tanks did you want to add..are considering a big tank cause your gonna need one maybe more.

[Mgamer20o0]

WOW..where do you start??

how many tanks did you want to add..are considering a big tank cause your gonna need one maybe more.

i think maybe more then just one.


start adding that up. 4-5 monster tanks might do it.

[blue209]

You know, we have a "great" fish store down the street from us (dragon aquariums) that only deals in FW fish. Of course he has brackish fish as well. He's had the store for 40 years so you would think he was pretty knowledgible. He says that that he doesn't use any salt with the puffer or the eels and that it's not needed. From what I've read that's wrong. Also, he always say "all fish need a friend" in his thai accent. That's how we ended up with so many. I think maybe that's just a way for him to sell more fish. I'm begining to think that he doesn't know or doesn't care to tell people what they really need to know. He said all these fish together would be fine. He did say in a year we would need a bigger tank for the oscars. It's been a month and I now know that that tank was too small to begin with. I'm begining to realize that although he has fish I haven't seen anywhere else it's time to start looking for a new fish store or just ignore what he says. Now to address some of the things people have suggested.:help:

1. It's a freshwater batfish but may have other names I think (chinese banded shark?). this one (Myxocyprinus asiaticus)http://whozoo.org/Intro2000/faithbev/1999_12.htm
So they should be fine. They do get big though. Dragon had one that was 8" long and still young.

2. We want to make one tank a brackish tank. Keeping the puffer and eel in that. Now I believe that the snow flake eel is brackish not totally marine. I may be wrong though. I know it's not a totally marine moray because it would be dead by now, I think.

3. We were thinking of getting 2 tank between 100g and a 200g if we can find some in our price range. What do you guys think about getting used aquariums on craigslist?

thanks for all you're help

p.s. the 40g tank has been going for 2 months and the 20g tank for 1 month

[Mgamer20o0]

2 200 will note cover it. i have bought many tanks on craigslist. i would go back and demand your money back. he prob wont but like most fish stores they will say anything to you to make a buck. they know overstocking a tank is the way to kill off fish faster and you back in there. just because you been keeping fish for a long time doesnt mean you know how to keep fish. craigslist is a good place to get rid of fish also. i have save a few fish and found people to take them. i made sure they didnt go from one bad tank to another. made them send pics of the tank whats in it just to make sure everything would work out.

[Ghost_knife]

your "bat fish" is a Chinese Hi fin shark, you will need 4-9 3-400G tanks

[jm1212]

can i get pop corn also.....

well i say your doing the first best thing. coming here and learning and wanting to change.

20g
2 Tiger Oscars - 4" ea.
1 Snowflake Eel - 18"
1 Green Spotted Puffer - 3"

i think snowflake eel is a salt water eel. that needs to be sent back right away.

1 oscar need 75 gal tank min you need to find someone to house them or get your self a 150 tank or so.

green spotted puffer is a brackish water and needs to be sent back right away

40g
2 Blood Parrots - 3" ea.
2 Gourami - 3" ea.
2 Diskus - 3" ea.
2 Bat fish - 4" ea.
2 Angel Fish - 3" ea.
2 Black Ghost - 3" ea.
2 Pleco - 4" and 8"
1 Tire Track Eel - 8"

common plecos get 26 in long and need to be in a pond more then a tank.

Tire Track Eel get to be 30 inch long i think

black ghost knifes get to be 26 inch long need 200 gal for one. (want one my self but dont have the room to keep it)

discus are better kept in groups. they need 15-20 gal per fish.

Bat fish are salt water i think and need to be taken back right away.

angels should not be kept with Gourami

2 Blood Parrots should be kept in a 55 gal or so

i dont know how to got all these fish in there but you need to do something about it right away before they all die of. if the tanks are new you need to read on cycling. http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84598

if you let us know how many and how big of tanks you will get we can help you with what you should keep.

20 gal
2 Gourami

40g
2 angelfish

get a 55 gal and you can keep the 2 Blood Parrots. the rest take back.
hit the nail on the head

man i shouldve skipped my ice cream! i couldve gotten this one LOL

[blue209]

your "bat fish" is a Chinese Hi fin shark, you will need 4-9 3-400G tanks

I'm begining to really dislike "dragon". I can understand PETCO mis-labeling fish but a guy that's been doing it 40 years, come on!

[Mgamer20o0]

I'm begining to really dislike "dragon". I can understand PETCO mis-labeling fish but a guy that's been doing it 40 years, come on!

its nothing new. there are hundreds of posts like this. well hundreds posts about bad fish store but i have to say this has been the worst i have seen. he was trying to get every penny he could from you.

jm1212 ill let you get the next one.

[chaibill]

if that bat fish is a high fin chinese loach that lfs is an a punk because they grow to 38 inches long and i imagine the high fin would be about the same hight
i think i saw some in rocky poibnt long island NY store
really stupid what things people will buy and then sell

[moondreamer7]

Are you sure the snowflake eel isn't really a Freshwater Moray Eel
(Echidna rhodochilus) or is it the same thing?? Sorry....no experience on these guys but thought I would throw it out there. If it is a freshwater moray, they require brackish and minium 55 gal or bigger from what I read ON THIS SITE under species profiles. Don't know if the puffer and eel would be okay together just because they are both brackish.

And as for the Black Ghost Knife....from what I read on THIS SITE under the species profile...max size is 20 inches not 26" (big difference). Also they are solitary creatures...so having 2 of them in same tank would be out.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0390&view_records=1


if that bat fish is a high fin chinese loach that lfs is an a punk because they grow to 38 inches long and i imagine the high fin would be about the same hight
i think i saw some in rocky poibnt long island NY store
really stupid what things people will buy and then sell

And as for the chinese hi fin shark....many common names for these guys...I know them as banded hi fin sharks and have heard of batfish/chinese hi fins along with Zebra hi fins etc... These are a great community fish. I have them with my discus and angels in my 280gal and they do a great job of clean up. They are only about 6 inches right now (had these guys for over 5 yrs now) and I will accomadate them as they grow bigger.

Also they do NOT get to 38"....in the wild they can get UP TO 3 feet (36") but as we all know they never reach full potential in fish tanks (doesn't mean it won't happen though). Also these guys are very slow growing. Because of their slow growth people can buy them young and keep them in smaller tanks and accomadate them with bigger tanks through the years. A tall tank is definitely appreciated by these guys.I've had mine for over 5 years now and it will be another 5-10 yrs before they reach their limit. That is a long time to plan ahead for bigger and better tanks.

So, it's not "stupid" for people to buy them or sell them and *I* am not "stupid" for owning some. It's like saying it's "stupid" to buy or sell oscars just because they get big.....these guys are no different then Oscars or any other fish you would buy at a LFS....you provide the proper care then there is no problem. Isn't that the very core of this "hobby"?

IMO the only fish that are "stupid" for people to buy or sell are endangered species or illegal ones.

[Ghost_knife]

moonDreamer, with you will Argue, you say they wont reach 26" then tell that to 142, he is a 7 year old ghost knife of mine. very interesting to watch. I gave the ghost information to the persons whom posted it. please do not spread disinformation about them, and they do require more then 200G minimum despote What MOST sites say.

[Mgamer20o0]

So, it's not "stupid" for people to buy them or sell them and *I* am not "stupid" for owning some. It's like saying it's "stupid" to buy or sell oscars just because they get big.....these guys are no different then Oscars or any other fish you would buy at a LFS....you provide the proper care then there is no problem. Isn't that the very core of this "hobby"?

IMO the only fish that are "stupid" for people to buy or sell are endangered species or illegal ones.

there is a whole list of fish that its stupid for the LFS to sell. i dont think the people who buy them are stupid just not informed. how many people buy a common pleco not knowing they will get over 2 feet long. most people who buy fish that grow very big dont know they get that big so must are not properly cared for.

[moondreamer7]

moonDreamer, with you will Argue, you say they wont reach 26" then tell that to 142, he is a 7 year old ghost knife of mine. very interesting to watch. I gave the ghost information to the persons whom posted it. please do not spread disinformation about them, and they do require more then 200G minimum despote What MOST sites say.

LOL I think you misinterpet what I was saying. I was merely posting that THIS SITE posted max size as 20" AND min 90gals!..*I* was not saying it, this site was. I cannot really argue to much about it cause my black ghost knife is just a baby right now and my first knife ever in over 15 yrs in this hobby! I would love to see pictures of yours! Must be a BEAUTY!

I use the species profiles on this site alot for references such as I did here to find out the size of the knife cause as much as I know about alot of fish from the top of my head there is alot I don't know or need to reference somewhere for a reminder or to jog my memory (my apologies to you, I'm big enough to admit I am wrong:( )...It's ashame that it is NOT updated or kept up with.

It's funny because....I orginally used this site to research about black knives before I went out bought one and thought I would be able to house one properly and now I am learning different? I know there are other sites (most are junk imo that I have come across), but I assumed a forum dedicated to fish would have the most accurate and updated info about the species they love so much......well...lesson learned. I don't think any less of this site for it but a little disappointed.

[Mgamer20o0]

LOL I think you misinterpet what I was saying. I was merely posting that THIS SITE posted max size as 20" AND min 90gals!..*I* was not saying it, this site was. I cannot really argue to much about it cause my black ghost knife is just a baby right now and my first knife ever in over 15 yrs in this hobby! I would love to see pictures of yours! Must be a BEAUTY!

I use the species profiles on this site alot for references such as I did here to find out the size of the knife cause as much as I know about alot of fish from the top of my head there is alot I don't know or need to reference somewhere for a reminder or to jog my memory (my apologies to you, I'm big enough to admit I am wrong:( )...It's ashame that it is NOT updated or kept up with.

It's funny because....I orginally used this site to research about black knives before I went out bought one and thought I would be able to house one properly and now I am learning different? I know there are other sites (most are junk imo that I have come across), but I assumed a forum dedicated to fish would have the most accurate and updated info about the species they love so much......well...lesson learned. I don't think any less of this site for it but a little disappointed.

this site is really outdated species profile and i think its something they are working hard on.

[blue209]

Well, we had some casualties over the weekend. Our tire track eel decided he would check out explore the water (floor) on the other side of the tank and one of our discus died as well. :sad:

The good new is we were able to find an old 75g tank with stand and canopy on craigslist for $100. I know this is just a temporary fix but it's better than it was before. My girlfriend decided to get 2 more discus to keep the one that was left company since he was very sad about the death of his friend. We'll see how that goes. It's going to be awhile until we can get bigger tanks so I hope everyone can hold out until then.:hang: thanks for all your help.

75g - tall
2 Blood Parrots - 3" ea.
2 Gourami - 3" ea.
3 Discus - 3" ea.
2 Bat fish - 4" ea.
2 Angel Fish - 3" ea.
2 Black Ghost - 3" ea.

40g - long
2 Tiger Oscars - 4" ea.
2 Pleco - 4" and 8"

20g
1 Snowflake Eel - 18"
1 Green Spotted Puffer - 3"

[jessicar613]

Please keep posting, I'll be really interested to see what you decide to go with.

[llamabob]

Well, we had some casualties over the weekend. Our tire track eel decided he would check out explore the water (floor) on the other side of the tank and one of our discus died as well. :sad:

The good new is we were able to find an old 75g tank with stand and canopy on craigslist for $100. I know this is just a temporary fix but it's better than it was before. My girlfriend decided to get 2 more discus to keep the one that was left company since he was very sad about the death of his friend. We'll see how that goes. It's going to be awhile until we can get bigger tanks so I hope everyone can hold out until then.:hang: thanks for all your help.

75g - tall
2 Blood Parrots - 3" ea.
2 Gourami - 3" ea.
3 Discus - 3" ea.
2 Bat fish - 4" ea.
2 Angel Fish - 3" ea.
2 Black Ghost - 3" ea.

40g - long
2 Tiger Oscars - 4" ea.
2 Pleco - 4" and 8"

20g
1 Snowflake Eel - 18"
1 Green Spotted Puffer - 3"


Gotta be kidding me..return most of them, start over.

[blue209]

Gotta be kidding me..return most of them, start over.

Well, like I said, this is just a temp. solution. I think it's been established in this thread that these aren't ideal condition. I've been getting some really helpful info which I greatly appreciate. So, to answer your question, no, I'm not kidding. If you have anything more constructive to say it would also be appriciated. Besides, these are much better than the conditions they were in @ my lfs. The eel was in a FW tank not much larger than the one it's now with like 7 other eels of the same size. The puffer was also in a FW tank that was smaller. The oscars where in a much smaller tank with 3 others of the same size. The others were in smaller tanks that were way more crowded. Now, you could say that they would be better off because they would go to a better home but I highly doubt it. Chances are they would be worse off. Most people would not even realize that it's a problem. We take very good care of our animals and will be expanding to larger accommodations as they grow. Some helpful info would be how to best make them happy with what we have now. Such as water conditions, decor (ie, places to hide, preferable plants, ect.), and how these species typically get along. Right now everyone seems to be doing great. The parrots are the only ones that seem territorial and that's only about 20% of the time. And all they do is just keep the others away from there little area. Anyway, I don't mean to rant. We're just looking for some real help.

[llamabob]

Well, like I said, this is just a temp. solution. I think it's been established in this thread that these aren't ideal condition. I've been getting some really helpful info which I greatly appreciate. So, to answer your question, no, I'm not kidding. If you have anything more constructive to say it would also be appriciated. Besides, these are much better than the conditions they were in @ my lfs. The eel was in a FW tank not much larger than the one it's now with like 7 other eels of the same size. The puffer was also in a FW tank that was smaller. The oscars where in a much smaller tank with 3 others of the same size. The others were in smaller tanks that were way more crowded. Now, you could say that they would be better off because they would go to a better home but I highly doubt it. Chances are they would be worse off. Most people would not even realize that it's a problem. We take very good care of our animals and will be expanding to larger accommodations as they grow. Some helpful info would be how to best make them happy with what we have now. Such as water conditions, decor (ie, places to hide, preferable plants, ect.), and how these species typically get along. Right now everyone seems to be doing great. The parrots are the only ones that seem territorial and that's only about 20% of the time. And all they do is just keep the others away from there little area. Anyway, I don't mean to rant. We're just looking for some real help.


Dude I'm being serious, take them back. Just because a pet store had them in crappy conditions don't mean yours are helping.

You can't get large tanks for awhile? They are overcrowded as of NOW. Your species list will start fighting very soon.

Your discus, only 3", should be in a large bare bottom tank in pristine conditions, temps of 82+ being fed 5-6 times a day, with DWT. They will almost certainly die. I'm sure you are no providing those specs.

I'm not even touching the brackish fish or the fact you bought MORE fish rather than giving up the discus you cannot care for properly.

You had an 18" fish in a 20g, thankfully for the fish, it died, probly jumped out on purpose.

You have 2 oscars together. 6 months the dominant will destroy the weaker.

You have 2 ghost knifes who reach well over 15", and do not get along with their own species. You cannot mix them with oscars.

The type and pairs you picked would require almost a tank for each.

You have batfish which according to others, get MASSIVE.

Are your tanks even cycled? Have you tested the water parameters?

I'm not being a **** but I am annoyed. We all get suckered or made newbie mistakes, I did too. But I fixed it. You cannot fix it, probly ever, unless you give some up.

Be realistic, yes we all love fish, we all want to save fish with crappy lives, but you're not helping, if a $100 75g is the best you can do, which is fine, no pun intended, you will never be able to afford or find room for the many HUGE tanks you'll need.

Many have already said you will need many big tanks, and you ignore the advice and keep hoping for a magical answer.

Give some back, please.

I'm not even touching the brackish fish or the fact you bought MORE fish rather than giving up the discus you cannot care for properly.

[blue209]

Ok, first, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to have been in similar situtation (not as bad) and it has taken you time to get everything sorted out and you've resorted to temp solutions. Second, let's get some things straight.

1. The tanks have been cycled and I test the water almost everyday. We do water changes when needed and all the parameters are stable.

2. The Snowflake eel didn't die (it was a tire track eel in a different tank). He's in the tank with the puffer which we are adding salt to to make it brackish. I would like to move him to a bigger tank soon (probably when we move the oscars).

3. The Ghost Knifes aren't in with the Oscars. Also, it's been said that they don't get along with their own species but we've yet to see a problem with that. They do both have there favorite hidding spots on opposite sides of the tank though.

4. I see 2 oscars together all the time and in 6 months time they will have a much bigger home.

5. I realize that discus are hard to care for. I think that saying they have to have a bare bottom tank and be fed 5-7 times a day is a little over the line though. We're not trying to breed them and we're not starting with fry. The only reason my girlfriend got more discus was because he was getting picked on by himself now he's not.

6. The batfish get big but they grow slow.

Now, I agree that we should take some fish back, but maybe I didn't make it clear before. It's not totally up to me. My girlfriend won't take any back and she's the one that bought more. You could say that I should take them back anyway but I would imagine that response would come from someone that doesn't have much experience dealing with women. :) With that being said we're trying to do all we can to make it work. She's the one doing most the real work. I'm mainly just gathering info. :read: Also, don't assume that you know what we're able to afford or what kind of room we have. The only reason I can't get bigger tanks now is because of my finances after the holidays and some other unforseen events. To say that I'll never be able to afford or have room for big tanks is just stupid. And I'm not ignoring anyones advice and I'm not hoping for a "magical answer". A lot of the advice is for the long term and I totally agree with it. I do think that people on this site tend to over-react a bit. I mean, 150g tank for 8"s of fish will be required in the future but it's not right now. If I got what everyone seems to think is required right now I'd have like 1600 gallons of water for the fish I have. Is that really what I need today? I'm just trying to figure out what I need to do now (besides return everything and start over). We monitor the fish as much as we can, we test the water all the time, we make sure everyone gets the food they need, we try to arrange the tanks so there's hiding spot for everyone and room to move freely, and we're doing research and making plans on what we're going to do in the future. And that is the whole reason I started this thread. I truely appriciate yours and everyone elses input. It's helping a great deal but like many message boards people fly off the handle and start make assumptions without knowing the facts. The only reason your post bothered me is that it didn't really offer any information just an opinion. Which is fine but it's not very constructive.

[PitFan]

Before I even started posting, I did a lot of research in these forums and online. I haven't even begun the hobby yet because I wanted to make sure I have great home for my fish.

From what I read, apart from African Cichlids, understocking is always a good idea.

You should definitely take the time and do some research to prevent disasters.

[blue209]

That's all I've been doing since we realized that we were in this situation. All we had before was a 5g with some barb and a pleco and a 5g with guppies. That was the whole reason for getting a bigger tank in the first place. The barbs and pleco had gotten huge. It would have been nice if the owner of the store we went to would have warned us of the mess we were getting into. I'm not trying to place blame. I agree we should have done a lot more research before buying and I accept the blame for that. Live and learn - and now I'm learning, the hard way. Trust me, if I would have known the things I know now this would have never happened.

[llamabob]

First I just wanna say I'm not picking fun at your financial situation, that was not my intention, only making a point.

Secondly, to support that array of fish, yeah you're looking at 4+ very large tanks, equipment etc. You're looking at over $2,000. Not many of us can dish that out, so no pun intended.

If you're new to the hobby, do searches for each fish you have, within 6 months, huge problems will develope.

Oscars are very aggressive. Yes, right now they are young and won't fight, trust me, in less than 6 months, as close as 2, you will have a fight. Almost everyone here recommends 1 oscar or 4+ to control aggression. The bigger WILL bully the smaller. I you saw 2, they were a breeding pair, or a very rare coincidence.

My point with the ghosts is the same, they are young, but in time they will fight, regardless of tank size. They cannot be together, nor can they be with oscars, so you're already looking at 2 150g tank min for the ghosts, and atleast 2 70's for the oscars, unless you were lucky enough to find a pair.

No I was not joking about the discus. Young discus are VERY fragile, bare bottom tanks are almost necessary, and feeding 5-6 times is important. But most of all, they need high temperatures.


I too was naive about my little rainbow shark being aggressive, he's small, passive, never bothered anyone. One day he started beating the hell out of my farawella. 95% of fish WILL fit their profile. If they are aggressive, they will be aggressive.

You'd be utterly shocked how fast fish grow, that 75 will be crammed in 2 months. And breaking it into 2 tanks will not stop the aggression.

My fear here, is you are under estimating the time you have to keep things under control. Like the first poster said, it is a train wreck waiting to happen, we know it won't happen now, but it will, soon.

Talk to your girl, take them back, get set up, re-purchase. You'll be glad you did. I've made my point so I won't continue to post in your thread, but please just think about returning them.

[Star_Rider]

blue,if you are serious about keeping the fish you will need several larger tanks.

discus do not need to be kept in a bare bottom tank nor fed 5-6 times per day...they should be but don't have to be. be aware that you may not get great growth in this situation.

that said..young discus will fare better when fed multiple times per day. 4-5 minimum for best growth..this means that there will be more waste and will need frequent water changes..if you can't do them everyday then every other day with 3X per week atleast. calculate 15 gallons per discus(minimum is10 galllon optimal 15) keep discus in groups until they pair up.

they do fare better in pristine water. and you can stop the multiple heavy feedings after about 5-6 months.

I keep mine in planted tanks and when young fed them 4 -5 times per day..but I also know that mine will not likely reach dinner plate sized tho realisitcally they will easily exceed 6".
you can keep the angels in with the discus since they are already there. keep them in the 75.
you will need to get a much larger tank for the oscars so move the oscars and the plecos in to that large tank(over 100 gallons)
i have not much experience with ghost knoives nor the others you have mentioned..search for info on them.

good luck

step back and rethik your list and do the appropriate thing..

[Blueiz]

Hmm..seems to me blue209 that you are disregarding the info being given to you here. Really..adding more fish to your current situation because of casualties when you are already severely overstocked seems as tho you aren't as concerned about your stocking situation as you are leading everyone to believe.

I would strongly reccomend not buying anymore fish to put in the already severly overstocked tanks that you do have.

Blue

[Mgamer20o0]

i tired to be helpful and kind. i even offered to house some of your fish for a short time. after so many people telling you your overstocked more fish were added. come on..... if she cares anything about the fish she would take some back. the fish will grow big in no time. your looking at a couple months tops.


Now, you could say that they would be better off because they would go to a better home but I highly doubt it. Chances are they would be worse off.

this is the most overstocked tanks i have ever seen someone post about. i am sure there are really bad tanks out there but there is a higher chance they would have gone to a better home. as far as how the lfs keeps them. they are only looking to hold them for the short time. they would be so glad if they sold out each week. its really a short term holding tanks. you also look how many of the fish die at the lfs.

i dont see how your 75 gal tank would be cycled by now even if it was understocked.

[jessicar613]

My fear here, is you are under estimating the time you have to keep things under control. Like the first poster said, it is a train wreck waiting to happen, we know it won't happen now, but it will, soon.


Actually the train wreck I was expecting was here. ;)

Granted that's about the worst stocking list I've ever seen, lol but who hasn't made those mistakes, and at least he's come here for help and sounds willing to commit a lot of time, and money, to solving the stocking problems.

More discus though? Hmm. :( To Blue, what I would do, (not as educated as the posters before me) if you really love discus and are willing to put in the time and learn a lot very quickly about their care, you could devote your 75 to discus and possibly the angels. Then get the big tank you're looking for and keep the Oscars. They have a super personality. It sounds like you've decided to go with the puffers, but I thought I'd chime in with my preferences. :)

Star rider, I realized after I wrote this we both had the same rec for these tanks. I think we have the same taste in fish!

[blue209]

Ok, first off and I've said this before it wasn't my idea to get more discus. In fact I advised against it but the guy at the lfs said it would be fine (I wasn't there when this happened). I guess I didn't make that clear. Anyway, after much debate and me actually showing her this thread I convinced her to take back some fish. :clap: So, now we just have to decide which ones to take back. For sure we're going to take back the Snowflake Eel, the Puffer, and One of the Black Ghost. We are also considering taking back the Angels and the Gouramis. But we're not sure about that. Now that I've managed to accomplish this, and believe me it wasn't easy, what should I do now? I know I'm still going to need a bigger tank or 2. I think the plan is to make the 75g a discus tank. Who can I keep in there with them. You said the angels can stay but we may take them back to free up some room. I don't think anyone can be with the Oscars. We for sure are keeping the Discus, Parrots, Batfish, Oscars, 1 Ghost, and 1 Pleco (maybe both). So, what do you suggest? I want everone to know that just because I didn't take back all the fish or run out and buy 4 huge tanks, I wasn't ignoring anyones advice. It's just taken time to convince my better half. And with all the suggestions it's taken time to decide exactly what we're going to do. Anyway, I still appriciate all the help. :bowing:

[Squawkbert]

My first thought was "That's a problem that will sort of take care of itself pretty soon."

2d thought: "If they're serious about housing all of these fish into happy maturity, they're gonna need a bigger house."