My GoldFish

[psychosis]

My fat fat gold fish:):)

[KingOfTheDeep]

not a fan of goldfish, but nice pictures, :)

and welcome to AC!:)

[fish_freak]

Ive never seen any gold fish that look like that. Did you breed them yourself? Very different looking.

[liv2padl]

excellent pictures but sheeesh, doing that to a fish through genetic manipulation is just wrong. i'd have psychosis too if i did that to a fish. ;) i'll bet the poor thing can't hardly swim, is very subject to swim bladder disorders and is cursing you every moment of its life ... wanting to just be a fish. ya know, the kind that can swim.

[phaedraeos]

is that a lionhead?

[DaisyTattoo]

I like the pictures, such as the background effects, but I too feel bad for the goldfish. That poor guy does look like he can hardly swim.

[rcarltonj]

<<excellent pictures but sheeesh, doing that to a fish through genetic manipulation is just wrong. i'd have psychosis too if i did that to a fish. i'll bet the poor thing can't hardly swim, is very subject to swim bladder disorders and is cursing you every moment of its life ... wanting to just be a fish. ya know, the kind that can swim.>>

All true--just like the crazy stuff people do with purebred dogs--but I still love goldfish (and dogs)!

Just a thought, aren't we doing the same thing with humans and modern medical technology? I can think of three or four people in my extended family that would not be alive today if they had lived 100 years ago. But yet, thanks to medical intervention, they are alive and well, diluting the gene pool by passing on bad genes that "maybe" should have been eliminated due to natural selection.

OK, OK! Maybe this is not a topic for this list, but it's food for thought...

Rich

[liv2padl]

aren't we doing the same thing with humans i'm not feelin' it.

[DaisyTattoo]

I just wanted to touch on the above post a bit. What you are describing about humans is very different than what has been done to that fish. The fishes genetic mutation has been done simply for cosmetic purposes. It does NOTHING to enhance the life of the fish and only makes it harder for them. That fish won't live as long and will have many more problems than a regular goldfish if both are given proper living conditions. But that's just my .02.

[liv2padl]

that's just my .02. hey, that was a bucks worth if ever i read one.

[the Amazonian]

That fish looks like "Norm" from Cheers LOL:dance2:

[park83]

I just wanted to touch on the above post a bit. What you are describing about humans is very different than what has been done to that fish. The fishes genetic mutation has been done simply for cosmetic purposes. It does NOTHING to enhance the life of the fish and only makes it harder for them. That fish won't live as long and will have many more problems than a regular goldfish if both are given proper living conditions. But that's just my .02.


I agree. Not only does it hurt the fish, I personally think they look much, much uglier with a puffed up head. People should just leave gold fish alone, they look fine w/o any genetic mutation.

[rcarltonj]

<<What you are describing about humans is very different than what has been done to that fish. The fishes genetic mutation has been done simply for cosmetic purposes. It does NOTHING to enhance the life of the fish and only makes it harder for them. >>

True! In a sense I was comparing apples to oranges in my original post...

But, there are a lot of driving factors in the medical/drug "industry" other than the altruistic goal of enhancing the life of humans (or animals). And certainly, I don't want to minimize the benefits of medical technology. However, there's a fine line between theory and practice. It's just not that black and white. One post "seemed" to imply that breeding fancy goldfish is, perhaps, unethical. And yes, there may be some truth to that. But then again, the same thing could be said about keeping fish in an aquarium at all...

Granted, I don't think that either one (breeding fancy godfish or keeping fish in an aquarium) is unethical, though I do think there are problems with each. Rather, I think that when someone posts a picture of a big fat fancy lionhead or ranchu, someone should point out the negatives, but then lead the discussion toward "positive" breeding techniques that might eliminate the problems. In other words, what can fish breeders do to select away from genetic problems yet still mold their particular lines into arbitray, yet beautiful, shapes, sizes, and colors?

Rich

ps: I'm new to the list, so I realize that my comments may be inappropriate in this setting. However, after a week or so of reading the same old posts about "uncycled tanks" or "see my pictures" (both of which are good), I find myself yearning for a deeper level of discussion.

[Ghost_knife]

interesting..

[Mgamer20o0]

i dont know what to say about it. looks like its sick but i hope it isnt.

[psychosis]

Dear all,

I am not the one to breed it nor (I guess) it come from any genetic manipulation....
It called ranchu...a species that look like lionhead.
I think that is breed "naturally" by human.
Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.
BTW, goldfish are fishes that breed by people.

I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.:)

[psychosis]

i dont know what to say about it. looks like its sick but i hope it isnt.

Please dont worry, I kept it for a year already. I guess it is healthy.:)

[rcarltonj]

<<I am not the one to breed it nor (I guess) it come from any genetic manipulation....

I think that is breed "naturally" by human. Mutation...I dont know, but at least it is not in artificial way.

I dont know if it is happy or not. I just keep the aquarium as good as I can.>>


There's no reason this fish cannot live a long happy life if cared for properly by not overcrowding it, keeping the aquarium clean, doing weekly water changes and feeding a variety of foods.

Goldfish have been bred for thousands of years by humans--probably much longer than any other aquarium/pond fish. No one intentionally set out to breed genetic mutants with health problems; rather, they are the cumulative side effect of selecting for cosmetics as opposed to fitness. Much of the goldfish history predates modern genetic science. Now that we “know better”, the health problems associated with fancy goldfish could be eliminated over time if breeders are willing to take the necessary steps.

It’s kind of like the fast food industry. Ray Croc (McDonald’s) didn’t set out to clog people’s arteries and give them heart attacks…

Rich

[5xevy]

I found an interesting article on them:

http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/universal-viewid200.html

I think yours is cute. From what I've seen (just from searching for some info), they seem to be a little pricey too...for a freshwater fish.

[tha cichlid man]

Nice goldfish, My sister has two of them. I say if it's your cup of tea then go for it it's your tank & you're the one that's going to be looking at it so I would'nt give a rat's *** about what others think about my fish :rolleyes:

[cohazard]

I love fancy goldfish.... but when it comes to the wen phenotypes (wen is the name for the growth around the face of ranchu, and the caps on red cap orandas), I would stray away from the individuals that can no longer see because of their wen; although that is a desireable trait for the hardcore goldfish crowd.

FYI, the hardcore goldfish crowd also prefer to have a pond outside with "pea soup" water (water that has free floating single cell algae) which enhances the goldfishes appearance.

They keep some in an aquarium indoors, and cycle which ones are inside and which ones are in the pond to keep up optimum health and appearance.

[fishcatch22]

that's a really nice ranchu.

[psychosis]

SoCalSunset (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/member.php?u=5572)， you know ranchu a lot!!:)

fishcatch22, thanks:)

tha cichlid man, thanks:)

[cohazard]

SoCalSunset (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/member.php?u=5572)， you know ranchu a lot!!:)



Nah, not a lot, just some basic important principles when it comes to show quality goldfish. BTW, I forgot to tell you how good looking your Ranchu is.

Build a small pond and cultivate some green water, and you can improve him even more. You could have 2 fancy gold fish and keep one in your aquarium, and one in the pond, then switch them around every few weeks. That's what I'd do anyways.

Goldfish are my first love when it comes to aquariums and fishkeeping. Now I'm all about bichirs lol too bad they can't live together.

[psychosis]

SoCalSunset (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/member.php?u=5572)
I heard people say that "green water" make gold fish look better (and more healthy). I dont have space for a pond. I want to know from your experience if it does make a significant effect on them.

[cohazard]

I've never managed a pond myself, but I've done research on it. Check out this website: http://geocities.com/greenngoldsg/greenwater-frame.html

That is a part of their site which explains some pros and cons with green water, and they have some good before and after pictures of goldfish kept in green water and how it affected them.

When I've kept goldfish in the past, it's always been in aquarium (I had no space for ponds either) and although with good food and bright aquarium lighting, you can keep them looking great, you will get much better results with even a small above ground pond that has a good culture of the free floating algae.

[psychosis]

SoCalSunset (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/member.php?u=5572)

Thanks for your useful information.
I dont have space for pond, but I can make a small tank of "green water".
If it make a "significant" beneficial effects on them I will try.
Since the environment of green water is different from freshwater tank, it may be a stress for them to change. Therefore I have to balance the pros and cons. Thanks again.:)