tattooed fish is ok

[gagaliya]

according to the spca and general public, cnn reports...

click to watch (http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/offbeat/2007/02/02/brason.tattooed.fish.wgrz/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=aa5121c-2042-1166392335-4&adDEmas=R00%26hi%26comcast.net%2673%26usa%26504%26 18974%2639%2615%26S2%26M2%26)

[Twill]

I saw this as well.

It's saddening that the SPCA people, the people that are supposed to be protecting animals, just said that it was legal and that they hoped people wouldn't think it's cool. Where was the voice saying "this is wrong"??

I don't know if I'd be more upset if CNN chose not to include a voice of dissent in the segment, or if one never existed.


Anyone near this pet store: be warned. The owner is just out to make more money by exploiting helpless fish through painful tattooing.

[wataugachicken]

the SPCA doesn't make the laws.

if something is not illegal, and a group like the SPCA is put on the spot and asked to say something about it, they are going to say the most politically correct thing they can say about it at that moment. right now i'm sure they are seeing how much news this item about the fish is getting, and they are putting together a stronger or more unified statement in case they are asked to give a more detailed opinion, but if they said what WE all think, which is that these fish should be banned and stores should not sell them, they could get into legal trouble. if a store or a distributor can show a loss of profit and trace it back to the SPCA's comment, the SPCA can be sued for the profit loss because the sellers are legally not doing anything wrong.

individuals can have that opinion, but going onto what became national tv and slandering a business can turn into a very large and expensive mistake. since there is no legislaton regarding the fish, to say that the guy is wrong and cruel and evil, etc. can't be supported. what little facts there seem to be are not made very public, and evidence that the fish 'suffer' is either difficult to find or absent entirely. seeing as how that one SPCA's statement is now being broadcasted all over America, they were right to say what they did because they have become the voice of the whole SPCA, and they need to remain mostly neutral until the issue gains the attention of one politico or another.

[cherule]

What did CNN do with the 4 fish they bought, I wonder?

[wataugachicken]

that's an interesting question, though CNN didn't buy the fish. they re-broadcasted what was originally a local new report. probably swimming and dying in a fish bowl in the breakroom. . .

[gagaliya]

what really made me chuckle was when the store owner said something like "those tattooed fish will attract more people to this hobby so it's win situation"

[chunkoblue]

The one dude has no problem with it because they "looked healthy"... He obviously didn't see the death bucket where they were tatooed at! Just isn't right in my opinion. I almost bought a tatooed molly because I thought it was some crazy new strain... then the girl at my lfs said they were tatooed (first I had heard of it) and I said no thanks.

By the way, Gagaliya your avatar is creepy! :)

[littleronin]

Thanks for stealing my topic. :sim:

But yeah the entire thing is messed up. There is no law about dying chickens either but they quickly swooped in to grab those off the market. Stupid double standard that fish dont have feelings and every other creature does Im taking it as.

[Mgamer20o0]

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96442

[wataugachicken]

several states do have laws aganst dyeing chicks, ducklings, bunnies. etc. it clearly stated in the report that it was illegal.

[dorkfish]

according to the spca and general public, cnn reports...

Acording to the general public, goldies in fish bowls are OK.

[wataugachicken]

in Rome they had enough sense to actually ban fish bowls entirely.

[Madcrawdad]

yep

[jm1212]

this guy is probably the same guy that would sell discus or blood parrots with tehir tails chopped off... or the polar opposite, saying it is cruel, even though he will stock a fish that is injected with dye.

[Madcrawdad]

Just saw this image of a tattooed fish...boy that really sticks in my craw. :dance2:

http://onfinite.com/libraries/1100970/1b6.jpg

[PDX-PLT]

But yeah the entire thing is messed up. There is no law about dying chickens either but they quickly swooped in to grab those off the market. Stupid double standard that fish dont have feelings and every other creature does Im taking it as.

I think it's the case that fish are not legally classified as "animals", just like mice and rats are not (they're classified as "vermin"). So animal treatment laws don't apply.

Personally, having raised a bunch of chickens, I don't think putting some food coloring on chicks is a big deal. I don't see how it does them any harm, and believe me, they're too stupid to be embarassed...

[cichlidcichlid]

In my opinion the fish do look healthy. But i still think it is wrong for two ressons. One there are so many different types of fish that are stripped and colorful like fancy guppies and tetras, to even bother with harming fish that aren't supposed to have those colorations. Second they don't talk about how many fish probably die during the injections. Probably 60 - 70 percent of the fish being dyed are put through alot of stress. For these reasons i oppose what they have done.:mad2:

[jm1212]

In my opinion the fish do look healthy. But i still think it is wrong for two ressons. One there are so many different types of fish that are stripped and colorful like fancy guppies and tetras, to even bother with harming fish that aren't supposed to have those colorations. Second they don't talk about how many fish probably die during the injections. Probably 60 - 70 percent of the fish being dyed are put through alot of stress. For these reasons i oppose what they have done.:mad2:
a bit of an add-on to your post...

yes they did "look" "healthy" but soon they will most likely be dead or riddled with disease. just take glassfish for example. when they are first brought into the stores, they "look" healthy, but within a couple of days, they have ich, lymphocystis, or velvet.

[Plecosterone]

Afriend of mine moved and gave me 2 blue fish (Black skirt tetras). I am amazed that they are still around after more than 2 years. They are almost white now and I don't think they will ever get thier colors back now. But it is a pretty cruel thing to do to a helpless little creature for the sake of a buck.

[beefsteak]

I think it's the case that fish are not legally classified as "animals", just like mice and rats are not (they're classified as "vermin"). So animal treatment laws don't apply.

Personally, having raised a bunch of chickens, I don't think putting some food coloring on chicks is a big deal. I don't see how it does them any harm, and believe me, they're too stupid to be embarassed...

Actually mice and rats have enjoyed a steady increase of popularity over the years as pets. The "vermin" view towards them is lessening. Fish, however are not considered animals by most people that can feel pain unfortunately and the population as a whole knows very little about them except that....

goldfish+bowl= happy child!

It's very sad.

[Madcrawdad]

Actually mice and rats have enjoyed a steady increase of popularity over the years as pets. The "vermin" view towards them is lessening.

not so sure about that one....If I were to see rats or mice running around in my house, first thing I would think is "vermin".

[beefsteak]

If you do a search on the web you'll find huge communities of people who breed, show rats and mice myself included. They are becoming extremely popular as pets. I'm not refering to the ones that run around your house. Those are wild not domestic strains.

[wataugachicken]

i tried to keep a wild one as a pet. it kept escaping. finally i let it go out in the woods and it ran all the way back to my car, jumping into the wheel and disappearing.

[Madcrawdad]

If you do a search on the web you'll find huge communities of people who breed, show rats and mice myself included. They are becoming extremely popular as pets. I'm not refering to the ones that run around your house. Those are wild not domestic strains.

I'll give you that....but when you see those crazy video clips where a house or barn is over-run with rats (by the thousands), kinda gives them all a bad name.

[beefsteak]

How so? Are they not doing what they do naturally and trying to survive in a world dominated by humans? Granted they can be a nuisance in the wild, but for those they have kept them as pets, they are by and large superior to the commonly kept small animals. People that are appalled by rats are ignorant and deprived. I'd go as far to say that "vermin" applies far more to hamsters.

Anyway, back on topic.

[PDX-PLT]

Just to clarify, I was referring to their legal status, not how some people may view them; in other words, the animal police ain't gonna show up at your door because you set a mouse trap.

[5xevy]

this guy is probably the same guy that would sell discus or blood parrots with tehir tails chopped off...

What is this about? I never heard of that. Do they think it makes them look better?

[Rbishop]

There have been several threads started over the CNN issue. Trying to figure how we can get all the way to chickens and rats. :confused:

I'll move this over to general chit chat for all our continued amusement and discussion. :)

[sumthin fishy]

What is this about? I never heard of that. Do they think it makes them look better?

Yes. Actually, a BP dyed pink or red with no tail looks like a little heart swimming sideways. Isnt that cute? I think it's a wonderful idea. Also, if you cut off all 4 of a dogs legs, and tatoo thier whole bodies brown (shaving them always) Guess what that would look like?

[jm1212]

they call them love-birds ^

go figure