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GER1023
04-19-2003, 5:41 PM
Ok what do you think of this woderfully ugly horrefic fish
made by man kind??? I give it two thumbs way way wayyyyyyy
down.
http://rceflight.mycoolweb.net/Jy-Lin/CopyRight/045BS.jpg
the word monstrosity comes to mind....
Someone forgot to put on the tail....and it looks like it fell in a blueberry slurpee.
Tightdog1
04-20-2003, 3:11 AM
i think its the most ugly fish I have ever seen, except for the flowerhorn without a tail. i think all that mutation and mutilation should be illegal its so wrong! i mean how would u like it of someone cut off you legs and let you get around like that, that would be horrible, hybrids are just wrong IMO.
please tell me u dont have 1 of those GER1023
GER1023
04-20-2003, 9:59 AM
Oh hell no I dont have one. I just saw it on a website and wanted to see peoples reactions you wouldnt catch me dead with one of those things.
dbcb314
04-20-2003, 10:00 AM
mine doesnt look like that at all. mine actually looks like a fish. it can actually close its mouth too, swims fine and everything.
GER1023
04-20-2003, 10:23 AM
You know thats a pic of your fish DB. LOL. Nah they had some of these at my LFS but they disapeared and they never got anymore.
GER1023
04-21-2003, 1:04 PM
**bump**
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 1:12 PM
Why are we bumping this now?
A man-made fish whose swim bladder is deformed gets a big-ol' thumbs down from me, but this really didn't need to be bumped. You'll get enough opinions as is with such a charged trolling thread.
GER1023
04-21-2003, 1:14 PM
Hey stop drinking you getting mean. LOL. No i wanted you opinion mainly. Just wanted to see what you would say.
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 1:22 PM
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of BP (fish-wise, I love the show "Boston Public"), but I can't get into a lot of man-made malformity issues, unless they are obviously detrimental to the health of the fish, like a malformed swim bladder. (I own a Betta, so I can't really talk about "adjusted" fins.)
I guess people keep them, though, so if they know what they're buying, I can't really stop them from buying BPs. It's not like boycotting each and every store that sells them is an option--I could scarcely shop at LFS in the U.S.
Sorry, I'll cut back on the booze. It's not too healthy, anyway, I'm afraid. :D
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 5:17 PM
And yet I forgot the most agonizingly annoying thing about that particular fish. That color isn't "natural" for a BP, is it?
Missed the forest for the trees, because dyeing fish is probably my number one pet peeve. That fish won't stay those colors for too long, so the unknowing person who buys it will get a likely-unhealthy, sterile, and soon-to-be-uncolored fish.
GER1023
04-21-2003, 6:00 PM
You also forgot to mention the fact that its missing something what could it be ummmmmmm an tail. One its a hybrid to it has been dyed three it has no tail for it cant close its mouth five it could bearly swim six it has a messed up swimming bladder must I continue to let you know how much I hate this fish???
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 6:40 PM
I didn't see the tail as there were too many other things to see. I guess that particular fish has a few too many problems.
K_S_W_I_S_S
04-21-2003, 6:45 PM
why do you hate those fish?? its not their fault... hate the people, not the fish...
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 6:51 PM
Hey, I don't hate the fish. I would rescue them for free so as to give them a good retirement home. I wish people would stop creating them, though. As long as they do, I will continue to point out the mistakes made in creating these hybrids.
GER1023
04-21-2003, 7:45 PM
Well I hate them for the reason there hybrids I see what your saying Kswiss and thats true but I dont know dont like them I wouldnt give them a retirement home either I dont got the tank space. Nah there cool just be better if they werent man made.
VoodooChild
04-21-2003, 7:50 PM
This thread's got another 5 posts until it takes off into a full blown argument...
GER1023
04-21-2003, 7:54 PM
Why you say that. I dont see anyone getting mad. We just stating the facts.
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 9:14 PM
A Blood Parrot thread spilling over into an argument? What are you talking about, Voodoo? :D
Firsttanks
04-21-2003, 9:35 PM
Is that a fish....or a squeeky toy for the bathtub...looks like it should be in the tub with Rubber Ducky and Scuba GI Joe. :D
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 10:06 PM
They wouldn't like the soap, though. :)
K_S_W_I_S_S
04-21-2003, 10:16 PM
i dont see an arguement coming either... when i went to the fish store, i saw some orange=pink fish that looked something like that (the face did at least).... is that more than likely a bp also???
ChilDawg
04-21-2003, 10:30 PM
I believe that those are natural BP colors. The Day-Glo effect is from either injection or slime coat irritation by breeders.
K_S_W_I_S_S, I was kidding...usually this topic is enough to inflame many of the ardent hybrid haters here.
GER1023
04-21-2003, 10:33 PM
Probably same fish. Dont know though. How many posts have been added after voo doo's??? Oh 6 counting this one ok let the arguements begin Just kiding dont hurt me ahhhhhh put that down no no im warning you ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you shot me uh ah ee uh ah yaaaaa tell sonny to watch over my farm for me. LOL SOrry a little board here hey put that marker down no no noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Hey, waddaya mean "blue isn't a natural color for BP".?:confused:
I think blue is a natural as the BP itself.:D
ChilDawg
04-22-2003, 7:44 AM
Good point. The normal colour for that abnormal fish is a pinkish-orange. The Day-Glo effect comes from dye.
GER1023
04-22-2003, 11:23 AM
ok inxs stop trying to be a smart@$$. Some people They could find the right in wrong true blue is not natural just like a bp but thats still wrong to dye them.
I am completely opposed to dying fish and can't imagine why anyone would do such a thing. I am also not too keen on creating a market for deformed fish like fish with no tails as such genetic deformities tend to come with other deformities internally (this tailless trait exists in all species of fish though it is usually culled - I had a tailless krib for awhile I felt sorry for).
But as I have said in other threads my blood parrots are in no way deformed, they are hardy and attentive and I like them. If you don't like hybrids you shouldn't eat any corn, peas, or in fact virtually any vegetable you can find in the marketplace. Same goes for many meat, dairy and fish products.
ChilDawg
04-24-2003, 7:49 PM
JimG, I thought, and, correct me if I'm wrong, that all BPs have swim bladder deformities.
GER1023
04-24-2003, 8:04 PM
your correct like usuall childawg all BP have deformities. Look I dont like deformed fish. Last time I checked fish were not cross breed or made into hybrids for eating. Also I didnt know Tuna was a hybrid. I also didnt know that cows and sheep and pigs were hybrids. Yeah they might be given horomones but hey thats for us to eat not for us to keep in a tank to give it a lengthy and unfortunate life like a BP with a deformed swim bladder. Do more research before you try and bomb someone with your minimal intelligence.
Forgive me all for my spelling got to mad to make any corrections.
mickey
04-24-2003, 8:32 PM
How much do these misfits retail for,this is the first time i have ever seen one and hopefully the last.
ChilDawg
04-24-2003, 8:34 PM
I've seen them for $27 USD at a chain pet store in town here--and these are for two to three inches of size.
what are bloody parrots a cross between? oh yeah, that is one mad ugly fish. the color is pretty, but its gotta be some sort of injection huh?
what are bps a cross between? oh yeah, that is one mad ugly fish. the color is pretty, but probably some sort of injection or soemthing huh?
mickey
04-24-2003, 8:43 PM
sure is a waste of money childawg.
It looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp.
ChilDawg
04-24-2003, 8:47 PM
I don't disagree, Brook. That is one of my least favorite fish ever.
Caz, this particular one is definitely dyed. Undyed coloration is reddish-orange, and sort of faded.
The BP is a cross between a Severum and either a Midas or an RD.
GER1023
04-24-2003, 8:57 PM
These arent one of my most hated it is my most hated right after it is the FlowerHorn. They should have never been created. Yeah I got to agree with an earlier post the blue is nice and yes the fish is dyed but it is wrong to dye any fish.
Originally posted by ChilDawg
JimG, I thought, and, correct me if I'm wrong, that all BPs have swim bladder deformities.
Hi Chili, despite Ger1021's heavy-on-purist-reaction-light-on-facts assertions BPs do NOT commonly have swim bladder deformities. They certainly have odd swimbladders when you compare them to those of red devils or severums (their most likely lineage) but this is because they are not red devils or severums they are a synergistic hybridization so you can only compare them to themselves to see what is normal. A 'deformed' swimbladder would cause problems with swimming, no? I have never seen a BP with any such problems. I know for awhile deformed jaws were more common in BPs than many other fish on the market and I think that was probably due to their 'breeders' (or more accurately their 'generators') unwillingness to cull such an expensive fish to bring about. I have 4 blood parrots which were 2" long from nose to base of tail when I got them and are now 5" long. They are fast powerful swimmers, show no signs of handicap nor sickness, will eat absolutely anything and can hold their own with any cichlid (the last factoid I base on info from other BP keepers as I have only kept convicts with mine though I had to trade the convicts in because one of the BPs decided they didn't belong in the same tank and was willing to enforce that decision )
Originally posted by GER1023
your correct like usuall childawg all BP have deformities. Look I dont like deformed fish. Last time I checked fish were not cross breed or made into hybrids for eating. Also I didnt know Tuna was a hybrid. I also didnt know that cows and sheep and pigs were hybrids. Yeah they might be given horomones but hey thats for us to eat not for us to keep in a tank to give it a lengthy and unfortunate life like a BP with a deformed swim bladder. Do more research before you try and bomb someone with your minimal intelligence. Forgive me all for my spelling got to mad to make any corrections.
You need to check again, salmon have been and are being hybridized for eating as well as for game fishing. Modern day cattle are the product of both hybridization and inline breeding and the common cow would certainly not exist if we humans hadn't made it. Now there just might be an argument against such engineering as I understand wild buffalo have meat much leaner and healthier for human consumption than that of cows. I think a BP's life in a tank is no less fortunate than the captive life of any fish, it all depends on how well their keepers keep them.
Ger sorry if you feel I am personally 'bombing' you. If you don't like BPs then don't buy the things. You certainly have the right to state your opinions on this or any other forum even if they are only founded in your feelings, that's fine, but getting mad because someone simply doesn't agree with your taste or if you make a statement demonstrably incorrect and someone calls you on it doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't insult people personally as you have with your 'minimal intelligence' blather - I debate the assertions people make not the individuals. Using that kind of logical fallacy in a debate is borne from a lack of substantive points, which ultimately is the nature of the purist position.
ChilDawg
04-26-2003, 11:57 PM
All the ones that I have seen have had trouble with handling current, but maybe I haven't found a place that sells BPs that should not have been culled--especially since I've only seen them at chain stores like the Pet* Twins. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that were true, and I thank you for explaining yourself in response to my misinformed statement (which, incidentally, was not from GER, but instead from several Pet* Twin employees).
Originally posted by ChilDawg
All the ones that I have seen have had trouble with handling current, but maybe I haven't found a place that sells BPs that should not have been culled--especially since I've only seen them at chain stores like the Pet* Twins. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that were true, and I thank you for explaining yourself in response to my misinformed statement (which, incidentally, was not from GER, but instead from several Pet* Twin employees).
You are most certainly welcome. Current in a pet store tank? If the blood parrots (or any other fish) couldn't handle the kind of current I have seen in pet store holding tanks they must be half dead. Actually I was responding to GER's post about 'all blood parrots' having deformities. I guess if you called, for example, angelfish deformed cichlids because they have unusual traits (including strange swim bladders due to their lateral thinness) when compared to other cichlids you could then state 'all angelfish are deformed'. But this isn't true obviously because this is normal for an angelfish. I maintain a deformity has to be detrimental to its owner and by definiton has to be an abnormal formation for the kind of animal the individual is who has it. An angelfish's swimbladder would be abnormal for a red devil (and incidentally I have seen angelfish bounced around by currents other cichlids aren't affected by). What is the blood parrot swim bladder being compared to call it abnormal?
Look all I am saying is if you just don't like BPs then don't buy them and in such a thread as this just say you don't like them. But don't conjure 'rational' reasons why you don't like them meant to make you feel somehow morally superior to those who do because utimately the reason you don't like them is a matter of taste and not rational. There are good reasons for not buying deformed fish, don't buy a BP which can't swim or eat just like you wouldn't buy any other fish that can't.
Cheers and Blessings :)
ChilDawg
04-27-2003, 9:11 AM
Okay, then, I will stick to the true facts from now on...and do a little more research, I guess!
Originally posted by ChilDawg
Okay, then, I will stick to the true facts from now on...and do a little more research, I guess!
Spoken like a true gentleman :)
TigerCrane
04-29-2003, 5:09 AM
My god, that poor fish. Thats a **** shame...
oscarlvr
04-29-2003, 7:41 AM
ive seen the result between female bp and male pink convict, thats were the jelly bean parrort comes from before the dye job, ive never seen them with no tail like that other than books, i wonder if its clipped at birth, but either way i would not own one, my ex wife has a 46g bowfront with 6 bp and she loves them, but to each their own
Bob
Originally posted by oscarlvr
my ex wife has a 46g bowfront with 6 bp and she loves them, but to each their own Bob
6 BPs in a 46 gal? Not big enough.
My daughter has two in a 40 gal. I don't care for them. But, since they have grown bigger, I find them a little more attractive. They are strong and good swimmers. She has never had a problem with them either.
Would I buy them? No. But, if other people like them, I can't stop them. I don't feel I'm better than anyone that likes them.
The flowerhorn, I find to be a very ugly fish. Many people will pay thousands of dollars for them. Hey, that is their chioce.
redeye
05-02-2003, 2:56 AM
because the fish is man made i believe it will be a weak species and will dissapear . When the fish can no longer choose breeding partners the genes become weak .... bet this breed goes belly up real easy.
goldfries
05-02-2003, 3:40 AM
btw have you people seen dark blue and green BPs? there's quite a lot of them here.
there are even BPs with markings of a flowerhorn!!!
Originally posted by goldfries
btw have you people seen dark blue and green BPs? there's quite a lot of them here.
Unfortunately more than likely those are dyed.
Originally posted by redeye
because the fish is man made i believe it will be a weak species and will dissapear . When the fish can no longer choose breeding partners the genes become weak .... bet this breed goes belly up real easy.
BPs by definition have no species, just genusxgenus. I suppose they will disappear if people stop producing them.
Haggisman
05-04-2003, 9:41 PM
Hey JimG glad to see you sticking up for the good old BP's.
I agree 100% with what he says, Bp's may have deformed mouths(less and less these days) but thats about all.In fact fancy goldfish have far more odd shaped swim bladders than BP's do.
As you can see by my sig, I do have a liking for BP's(any other BP fans feel free to drop by my forum) but I agree with the statement, IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM THEN DONT BUY THEM.I do feel sorry for the poor dyed ones.Sadly more and more cichlids are being dyed, I saw albino convicts dyed blue and green and there were even a few dyed firemouths:(
Here is my 7-8" all natural lemon yellow BP.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid61/p23a64127daa5fd49344245260ca130e1/fc3a2940.jpg