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Bally's 40B

Discussion in 'General Marine / Newbie' started by Ballyhoo, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. Ballyhoo

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    For the beginning of my salty career and my first tank click here

    Well the breeder got off to a great start equipment wise, but not so well at all live stock wise...

    I removed all the LR from my tank and put it in a large cooler with water to keep the most of my cycle. I put the nem in a bucket because I wasn't sure how to deal with that at the moment. I put the corals in a second bucket. Bagged the nem, then caught the fish. Here's where I messed up... By the time I had everyone out I had nearly run out of water so I bagged the fish with the water from the bucket where the nem was. I bagged the clowns together and the 6 line wrasse, mandarin dragonette and peppermint shrimp all in one bag. Take them to the Salty Critter and they began to acclimate them to their tanks (they're babysitting while I do my upgrade). Begin to float the bag and realize all the fish are stressed and the peppermint has the mandarin in his clutches and the manny isn't moving.... He instantly opens the bag and the mandarin is able to swim off. The clowns were looking gaspy so he let them out as well and they are swimming around hip to hip, they wont leave each other..... A near disaster avoided I hope. I will of course be going up there today to check on my babies.

    And here is the good news.... I'll let pictures do most of the talking :)
    This is the tanks permanant location. I hit one speed bump in the set up. The tank has 2 thin walls on the back, one on each side of a 2x4 that runs up the center, so there is about a 2.5 inch gap between them. On the outside there are 2 holes drilled in the upper corners so the cords can run into the back of the frame and then the inner wall has 2 holes drilled to bring the cords into the tank, so there is nothing hanging on the back. Well when making the holes I forgot that outlets are in the middle of the wall not low or high, so I had to drill a hole in the center to allow the cord in so the tank can be flush against the wall.
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    My LFS gave me some egg crate pieces that I was able to tetris into a full bottom to go under my LR.
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    Here's the LR formation I've come up with and seem to like so far. The large heater will be removed once the tank is up to temp.
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    I still need to move my sand from the 30 over I didn't want to move everything over while it was so cold, because of the crabs and feather dusters and such. Then grab a bag or two more and get another power head once some funds free up, or I can find one on craigslist or something. I'd like to have my fish back by monday (Salty Critter is closed tues and weds) but I want to monitor levels to watch for a mini cycle.
    I'm having a difficult time with my eshopps skimmer, I can't seem to get it running correctly. It keeps over flowing every time I try to start it :(
     
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    Lookin good so far, can't wait to see it after everything else has been moved in :)
     
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    for the skimmer, you have the white dot on the adjusting tube aligned with the dot on the frame of the skimmer? is something plugging the foam on the output?
     
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    The white dot is lined up, I think something might be plugging it. When it was slightly working there was water coming out of where the wedge pipe inserts
     
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    yeah that sounds like what is happening, mine did the same thing. I pulled that pipe out and water was shooting out of there. The collection cup was filling very quickly. Do you have the foam piece on there?
     
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    Yes I do, I rinsed it out before I put it on.
     
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    Nice tank. My first saltwater tank was a 40 breeder and I absolutely loved that tank.
     
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    I'm such an idiot... I had a piece in upside down... skimmer works now lol

    Thanks slappy! I'm really happy with this tank :) its all cloudy now as I added the sand, still need a bag or two more.
     
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    it will go crazy at first because it's a 'new' tank. but glad you got it all worked out
     
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    Agreed, looks great. Like the 2 separate islands. A little concerned about putting animals back in by Monday if you are transferring your entire sandbed from the 29. If you were to do that, I would expect spikes. I think at least a week before stock goes back in. If you were to add some fresh , clean sand and a couple handfuls of your existing sand, you should be ok. Transferring sandbeds from one tank to another is typically not a good idea unless it is thoroughly washed and dried. Not being negative. Just don't want you to have losses. Is the sand being kept wet, warm and with some flow? If, not I would definitely expect spikes.
     
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    The sand stayed warm and, but without flow. My hermits were still with the sand so they may have moved it a bit. I wasn't aware that moving sand beds was such an issue. Thinking about it, it makes complete sense. I'll move it all over, give it a few hours and run some tests. I'm assuming the general ammonia, tirites, and trates are the big ones? I can run all of them if need be.
     
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    Tank looks great! Glad you got your slimmer figured out. :)

    As far as tests, those are the three id check. If you absolutely need them back in by Monday maybe plan on a quick 5gal WC and dosing some prime to help calm things down (if you do have elevated levels, that is)

    Other than that it looks really good!
     
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    5 hours into the swap and my ammonia is 0. I haven't checked the rest though. I will tomorrow afternoon. I'll wait till thursday for fish. I keep thinking today is Saturday since I don't have class or work tomorrow.
     
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    Good call greech. I have an ammonia spike of .5 today, 0 nitrate and 0 nitrite. So basically I'm starting with a "fresh" tank it appears
     
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    Not quite a fresh start. Your LR is fully cured and will convert it fairly quick. The problem is adding all the livestock back at the same time. Tank probably wouldn't handle that load even after everything settles down. I probably wouldn't add all the fish back at once and the nem should go in last.
     
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    Out of curiosity, why wouldn't it be able to support the bioload? Because it was put in cold water, ~ 60 degrees?
     
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    It's tricky to judge. Your sand bed had some of your bio-filter (hence why you are now seeing ammonia - much of it died). Depending on how you stacked the rock your LR may have some readjusting to do (nothing that'd be noticeable on a test kit but enough to lower the bio-potential slightly). Just something as simple as a rock-side now facing downwards or the difference in flow could cause a difference.


    Hence why it is tricky to judge. Some tanks you see a pronounced mini-cycle on a move like this. Others nothing at all. I've done it before with freshwater tank without even seeing a change.

    I'm looking at the same problem pretty soon. I'm upgrading my tank and there isn't going to be anywhere for the live-stock to camp out so I'll have to hope I don't get a major effect from the transfer. But it is always a risk when you upset the balance of the tank.
     
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    That makes perfect sense. I might buy a few more lbs of cured rock to help out when I add the fish back. In your guys opinion, in what order would you return things?
     
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    Still showing only ammonia :(
    I'm going to grab a few more lbs of cured LR and then do a very large water change and wait some more.

    I hate waiting... Patience is not one of my virtues.
     

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