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Lots of pictures of the display (60g) and refugium (20L).

Discussion in 'General Marine / Newbie' started by Khemul, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. Khemul

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    Was up late last night (long story) and got a chance to take some night pictures. Figured I'd complete the full round of day/night tank/refugium pics. Anyways, here it goes...


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    Full tank shot. Refugium lights are off, otherwise that would be seen below the tank.
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    Right side. The bright color of some of the rock was the result of me rearranging the rocks. They haven't all grown the algae (although a week later and a purple tint is already appearing) cover yet.
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    Left side.
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    Refugium full tank shot. It is effectively a display refugium. It doesn't quite run reverse schedule, but it is a bit more of a night schedule.
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    Refugium from ground level.


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    Some type of wild pipefish. He is the only real inhabitant of the refugium (other then shrimp/hermits/etc.).
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    Yellow Polyps are recovering since they were exhiled from the main tank. Once I get a healthy rock going again I'll try them again in the main tank. I suspect it was the Blue-Fin Damsels I removed that mowed them down, but can't rule out the Angels.
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    These do amazingly good in the refugium. Not so much in the main tank. Suspecting the Angels but will try again when it starts spreading enough to risk killing off a rock.
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    A small piece of the GSP frag that broke off. Also doing great since moving to the refugium.
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    The Zoas got exhiled to the fuge. The Hawaiian Toby has definitely taken a liking to them. Although her appetite for them isn't all that bad so if I get a large enough population going I could possibly put them back and just accept some attrition.
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    Another exhile caused by the Hawaiian Toby. Again, not fast enough to instantly kill it, but enough to shrink it back long-term until it is gone. She took a couple weeks to trim this one back to what it is now. Gonna wait till I can get 4-5 of them going before reintroducing (I'd cut it in half, but considering its been stressed so much, not sure it is worth the risk).
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    It started with one shell found during our summer vacation in Fort Meyers. Now there are a bout a dozen of them. Doubt any would survive in the main tank, but they'll have a nice home in the fuge.
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    One of the shells from Fort Meyers. Think it is a baby Horse Conch, although right now it appears to be eating algae so who knows. If it is a Horse Conch I'll have to move it eventually, but for now all the snails in the fuge are easily replaceable and expendable.

    Main Tank: Night-Time.
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    The new Starry Blenny. Unfortunately I killed the last one getting the two Blue-Fin Damsels out. Removed a bunch of rock-work and didn't think that one of the rocks was the old Blenny's home. He spent 15 minutes out of the tank, seemed to recover after being put back in, but then was dead the next day. Amazing how much personality these fish have. The last one was a pig. This one is more playful and tricky. I'll see him hide behind a rock, wait for the Lawnmower to swim by, then jump out and swim behind him until the Lawnmower catches on and chases him off. They have opposite sides of the tank for territory so other then the chase-game they get along pretty well.
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    The Urchins doing their thing.
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    The Tobies. Yes, they sleep like that. Not sure how they do it, but that is how they sleep. Sometimes they even do it upside down (on the underside of a rock).
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    The Clowns. They never seem to rest.


    Main Tank: Day-Time.
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    My Giant Barnacle Blenny....Okay so it is just a Lawnmower Blenny that found himself a multi-room home. Still funny to see when looking at the tank. He seems to switch rooms every so often. Lately he has taken the ones facing the glass, so good picture time. :laugh:
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    The lawnmower's neighbors. Interesting enough they aren't 100% responsible for the odd slope of the sand on that side of the tank. They started it, but then I moved a Maxi-Jet 1200 (in circulation mode) behind those rocks. The flow hits the rocks and breaks, partially up through the rockwork and partially down across the sand. Saves the Engineers a lot of work really. :D
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    The Rusty Angel. The Eibli was around, but it is more camera shy. Ducks into the rockwork when it sees the camera.
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    The Urchins, apparently sleeping off their nights' work.

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    The first of the Ricordeas. Got a smaller green also that is about to split. A orange/green that is ready to go in the tank when I get more epoxy. A purple that is still attaching. And a huge purple w/ orange-tips that is ready to go in when I get more epoxy. Hard getting good pictures of this one since it opens in late day and then closes up by evening. Doesn't seem to be in any rush to soak up the light.
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    The Duncan. That's about it during the day so far. At night it seems to open a little bit more.
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    The Frogspawn seems to be doing pretty good. Was worried with the flow in the area, but seems to do fine.
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    The newest addition. Already putting on some growth. The tank is heading towards being dominated by large fast growing corals or mushrooms. For now this is how it'll remain, since I'd like to sit back and watch the current stuff grow. No need to keep throwing money in when I don't need too. Considered Xenia for an addition, but think I'll just try to propagate the Kenya and Frogspawn (maybe the Duncan if it ever really gets comfortable during the day) when they get a bit bigger and spread them around more.
     
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    Awesome post/pics!

    You got a great community going there. Love the fish selection and the fuge. I'm sure the engineers incorporated the idea of your repositioning the maxi-jet into their orginial design :).

    Congrats!
     
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    **** this tank makes mine look like ****s creek
     
  4. Khemul

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    Well, it has evolved quite a bit over time. Quite a few failed ideas early on.
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    February 2011
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    June 2011 - I do need to rebuild that blue light system to work with the T5's. It was quite nice.
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    July 2011

    Apparently I didn't take many full tank shocks after that, but basically it was a slow evolution after that. Added the refugium. Took a hammer to some of the bigger rocks, which were just too difficult to scap with (although the tunnel networks they had were amazing). And now it has finally hit a point where I don't feel like changing up the layout every week. :rofl:




    So true. They swim around a bit more now. Like they are thinking "well, we don't have to dig...what now?". They no longer labor all day to keep that area looking like a giant sinkhole. :rofl:
    I'm still not 100% sure if they are a pair or if it is just an Engineer thing. I've heard some people refer to them as "paired" when they swim like that, but also hear they are a schooling fish when young.
     
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    the wizard Is it really Niko's fault?

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    Very nice set up. You have done a great job.
     
  6. Khemul

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    Well algae filled in. I don't think it is coralline, but it looks similar. If the urchins don't keep it mowed down it turns into more of a fuzzy purple algae. There is some fuzzy green algae too, but it keeps low enough that I don't mind it. Maybe something like turf algae.
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    Full tank shot.
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    Right. One of the Urchins went to town on the painted overflow. :swear:


    And the newest (and probably last) addition...
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    I know it will get huge. The tank is only 60, but the footprint is 5' x 1' so it should be fine for quite a long time. The Gurnard is less then a couple inches right now. This tank was always destined to be the refugium for my next build, a 125 (maybe a 180 because of the Gurnard, even though it isn't much more of a footprint to really make it worth it). Figure if the Gurnard is successful in the tank I have quite a bit of time to finish up the next phase of the project.

    Any suggestions for the Gurnard? I know it is a shrimp eater so guess it'll now be about seeing what I can get it to eat. The store didn't think flakes or pellets would work, but they also insisted that the Gurnard was a copepod eater so who knows.



    Also added some Pulsing Xenia to the tank, but won't be getting pictures of those until they settle in and open up. Even then they aren't much to look at yet. They were extremely cheap since they were simply tiny 2-3 polyp groups that broke off of the real colonies for sale.
     
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    Has to be one of the coolest fish i have ever seen. Awesome!

    Never even seen one let alone research it. I just looked them up and as you said they need room (can have up to a 10" wingspan). Sounds like any snail or hermit you have is toast (like the nassarius the fish is eyeing on those pics:)) and they can eat small fish (never saw a specific size limit but assume firefish size max). Seems they are fairly easy though given proper conditions and are also fairly easy to get to eat mysis and thawed frozen shrimp and read a couple posts that had them eating NLS pellets. Apparently the NLS owner/president is a huge fan of these fish. Found their website and one thread on their forum.

    http://www.newlife.ipbhost.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=407

    Some threads on RC too.

    Congrats!
     
  8. Khemul

    Khemul Sea Bunny

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    The Nassarius are all easily replaceable. I'm not even 100% they are Nassarius, but they don't kill each other or other snails so I'm assuming they aren't the very similar looking whelks. I have an unlimited supply of Nassarius and Nerites (they live in the tidal zones around here). The fish-thing is a concern but I guess I'll have plenty of time to figure that one out. The gobies, engineers and blennies (the blennies may be borderline) should be big enough by then to hold their own by then. The dart-fish may need to move.

    I'm actually surprised the snails (Nassarius and Nerites) that are in there are still alive. I think those are the ones that were tough/fast enough to avoid becoming toby-snacks. :evil_lol:



    Maybe a bit of long-term planning to consider, what do you think of a 180 vs a 125? I know the minimum liveaquaria suggest is 180, but a 125 is only 6" less width. The rest is height. Guess maybe that 6" could basically fit the rockwork and give more sand area.



    edit: On the good side, from further research I think it is Dactylopterus orientalis instead of Dactylopterus volitans, which means it won't be as big as expected. Still gonna be the biggest fish in the tank either way though. :rofl:
     
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    Honestly, I think you'll want the extra depth. You nailed it with the "that much more open sand bed" idea. The extra depth will allow you to keep your rock well off the glass on all sides. I would also suggest elevating the larger rocks along the bottom as much as you can to create some good caves. Maybe if you put a lot of your rock in the sump you could try a smaller tank like a 120?
     
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    the wizard Is it really Niko's fault?

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    beautiful addition
     
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    What's the grey fish in the picture with your Gurnard eyeing the snail? It looks pretty cool :)

    Love the tank and the fish btw. Excellent selection.
     
  12. Khemul

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    Crested Goby. Not sure how availability is with them outside of this area. They are a native species. Every once and a while I see them in LFS's but I think they are trade-ins from local catches.

    They live in the canals with the Frillfin Gobies that appear in some of my other pictures. All the Crested and Frillfin Gobies I have are local catch. The Crested is usually a lighter grey color. The dark grey is their stress/angry color. They are pretty territorial, but aren't really willing to do much more then change color over it.

    They are pretty neat fish. I rank them even higher then Mollies for hardiness. Crested and Frillfin Gobies can go from salt to fresh without noticing and don't seem to care which type they are in.
     
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    Well the Engineers have been returned to the display tank. One is still swimming funny, but he can keep mostly straight and chase food so he should do fine. They were digging too deep for my comfort down there, since it isn't really set up to avoid crushing overzealous diggers, plus I didn't want them to harass the new refugium dweller.

    The Gurnard had to move to the refugium for now. He is doing well, but I underestimated just how timid they are. He was getting picked on by a Frillfin half his size. He is even eyeing the Ghost Shrimp with concern, and they are almost small enough for him to eat. His wings got a bit beaten up and I'm not sure if it was the Frillfin (never saw it directly, but it did hover over the Gurnard a lot) or stress, but the refugium will give him the best chance for now. Plus he'll only have the Pipefish to compete with for food (and the Pipefish already gets fed mysis). Still doesn't seem to go for food, but at least in the refugium he was eyeing food and moving a little, whereas in the display tank he just sat around until he got fed up with all the movement and them fled behind the rocks. Maybe he is foraging for food on his own and I just don't see it (he almost looks like he is filter feeding sometimes). I figure he can get 3-4x his current size before space becomes a concern down there, so hopefully I can get his confidence up somehow by then. Amazing fish to watch swim since they really do appear "fly" through the water rather then really swim but for a carnivore they are very passive animals.



    BTW, didn't get any pictures so ID is probably not possible. But I pulled something weird out off the refugium thinking it was a dissolving piece of caulerpa stock in some Halimeda. It had the same exact pattern as Taxifolia but a light yellow color. It formed a perfect ring about an in tall and an inch across. When I pulled it out it was rather tough and stretchy and extremely slimey (think that was it trying to sting me since that hand did start itching a lot, but nothing a wash afterwards didn't fix). Ended up pulling park of the Halimeda out to remove the last few traces that broke off. Looked like a pile of goo out of the water, sort of like a jellyfish does.

    Amazing the type of weird things that pop up in saltwater tanks.
     
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    Found another one of those yellow things, this time when cleaning the sponge on the powerhead in the refugium.
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    Definitely odd creatures.

    Some shots of the Xenia mentioned before. They've gotten mostly settled in and are already growing pretty quickly.
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    Had some trade-in credit from giving Valerie to a local LFS...
    Decided to finish the Urchin population since it appears the tank could support one or two more. Not gonna add a fourth since that'd be pushing it. One or two more Nerites maybe for glass cleaning and that should be it for the algae cleaning crew.
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    Fiancee has been wanting an anemone but didn't want to pay for a BTA or LTA . The solution, a Condy...
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    She wanted it in the lower left corner of the aquarium. I felt the lighting is lowest at that part of the tank and may be not enough for the anemone but wasn't going to win that debate no matter what I said. Figure the anemone will move to where it wants if it doesn't like the spot anyways. So far it tried to push itself between the glass and the rock, then moved to the sand, then back to the rock. It settled in in the lower left corner (figures :rofl:) partially in the sand and partially against the rock. Not sure if it'll stay their long term.

    Thinking maybe swapping out the 39w actinic bulb for a 6700k instead of actinic may help it get more light there. So far the setup is (front to back) 39W 6700k 39W Actinic 54W 10,000k 54W Actinic. Not sure I really need both actinic bulbs and I do have some spare 39W 6700k bulbs sitting around.
     
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    How about a ATI Blue +. One of the highest PAR bulbs out there and great color. 6700's are too yellow for my taste but I know a lot of people like them.

    Don't you just hate it when they end up being right :)!
     
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    That is another option I was looking at. I don't necessarily love the color either of the 6700k, but I can live with it. I am starting to prefer the 10,000k range and higher though since moving my attention (I do have to get around to showing off the new freshwater setups some day, I keep forgetting and they've been back up for weeks :rofl:) to saltwater. The 6700k bulbs are more leftovers from when that fixture was on my 40Breeder freshwater tank. Earlier in the year one of the local stores did 90% off a specific brand (might have been Hagen) of bulb a while ago so I have a few extra 39W 6700k and actinic bulbs (not sure why, just couldn't pass up the deal :rofl:) laying around. They aren't the most amazing bulbs, but for $2-3 each they work. I may start moving over to ATI bulbs slowly though, even if they are drastically more expensive then finding random bulbs on sale for crazy discount prices. They do have quite the reputation for quality and intensity.


    And yeah, I'm pretty sure she has some means of communicating with the various tank inhabitants that I don't know about. She somehow manages to make things work that by all aquarium-keeping logic shouldn't work that well. It's okay though. I still have some leftover points from the Sargassum Frogfish incident. :evil_lol:
     
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    Definitely worth the extra $ for good bulbs. You'll get better color and growth than your pure actinics and a bright crisp light.

    Getting back to this...

    ^Do these move or are they more stationary like a sponge? I have no idea what that is (but it's nasty :)).
     
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    That thing is creepy. It almost looks like a clear leech....
     
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    I've never seen them move, but I've only seen two. They both were curled up into a ring shape. Granted I've seen bristleworms sitting like that when moving rocks so who knows. They feel sort like a gummy material until I rip em out, then they feel like snot. I'm going with the safe approach and removing any I see. The main connection I've noticed is both were found in high detritus location (one inside a Halidema and the other in the garbage collector under the powerhead.

    They do appear to have a sting to them, since my hand was itcing mildly after that picture. A wash fixed that so it is a weakv sting at least.

    I don't see anymore, but then I never saw these two. In all honesty it could be anything. I use natural sea water and have put wild macro in before so I'm not entirely surprised when crazy things like this happen. :rofl:
     
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    I love your tank Khemul! I especially love the Gurnard, it looks so awesome. I now want a 250gal tank to keep a pair in :D
     

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