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Pictorial Betta spawing log

Discussion in 'Freshwater' started by TheMightyQueenPixie, Oct 6, 2005.

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    Welcome to the bubblenest...I am going to attempt a "blow by blow" pictorial log with my pair of Cardinal HMs. These fish are 4 months old and this is their first spawn..Could be successful, could be a dismal failure...The male is a little "dense" and probably the worst bubble blower in history...Guess we willhave to wait and see what happens...Worst comes to worst, i have back up pairs...And on with the show...

    Hmm, this looks like a nice place to build a nest...
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    I actually thought that he had clued in...Turned out that he is more interested in trying to eat the styrofoam then blow bubbles under it...Did I mention he is dense?

    And then he noticed the heater...
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    I mighty battle ensues...I think they decided to call it a "draw"

    WHOA! There is a girl here...
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    Ok he has noticed the female...Looks like it is over between him and the heater...They were no good for each other anyway. Notice that the female instantly starts to posture with her nose down...A good sign, albeit earlier then normal...Maybe their is hope for them...

    I see you baby, shaking that tail...
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    His entire demeaner has changed, he is now strutting for all he is worth, trying to impress her...




    Stay tuned for updates as they happen...
     
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    Tank Specs.

    10 gallon, half full
    Good old Big Als water conditioner, pinch of aquarium salt and some Maroxy to prevent egg fungus.
    pH- 7.8
    Gh and Kh- cant recall offhand...High and unshakeable...
    Temp 81 degrees
    Food- Preconditioned for 2 weeks with mosquito larva, FD blood worm and regular betta bits.
    Frequent water changes are just as beneficial as a good varied diet--they get 100 percent change every other day.

    These photos are the bare bones of an article I will compose at a later date...There is no guarantee this will be a successful spawn, so I thought it may be an interesting bit of "reality aquarium"..Whatever the outcome, i will keep posting the progress...
     
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    Well, not much going on in the spawn tank...Alot of anxious pacing and showing off but that is it...Still no bubblenest or anything looking even remotely like it...I have set up another pair just to be on the safe side...Usually I give the male till the next morning to make a decent nest, however some males never do prepare one..Just sort of make it as they go along collecting eggs...One way or the other, they will be released at 8 am tomorrow...Start praying for big Red...I think he will need all the help he can get lol.
     
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    Well not much to report...I caught him "embracing" himself in the corner...Ofcouse I didnt have the camera...I do have a couple of new pics that are bang on to his colour...Photography has been tough in this house, but I think I have finally figured it out....

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    Still oogling her

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    Posing for the camera...FOR ONCE

    No more pictures please....
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    Good morning all...Fins have been flying in the spawning tank...As predicted, Big Red never did figure out how to build a nest...I realeased them around 8:30 and all seems to be going well....She pretty much made a b-line to the "spawning site"...Ofcourse not a bubble to be found...
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    A little interaction near the site...She is digging him
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    First attempt at an "embrace" As you can see, she will have none of it...
    [​IMG]I do give him points for slickness though..He is a real smooth operator...

    Female retreating into the plants...
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    Big Red wont take no for an answer...He is pacing wildly trying to lure her out...
    Stay tuned, updates as they happen.
     
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    Good eye EMG! All signs indicate that it is just a matter of time before they try to do the deal...
    A little wooing on his part...A little hard to get on hers...
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    Hmmm, this looks ok...Perhaps I will let him father our kids...A little sparse, but he is a bachelor...
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    Another close call...HEAVY vertical striping...a good sign
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    Closer still...An embrace is eminent...
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    Just about a half a second after I snapped this pic, her head spun around 3 times and she beat the crap out of him...Yes, exactly like the Exorcist...She ripped him to shreds and contentedly ate what was left of his fins floating in the water...I have never seen a male flee so quickly...He couldnt get away from her fast enough...For the next ten minutes he was positively terrified...He jammed himself behind the filter to get away from her...She waited for him like Jaws
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    At this point I knew no good would come from this...This spawn is over...

    HOWEVER- Being the smart girl I am, I had a back up....And low and behold-
    AN EMBRACE

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    They had been so docile towards one another that I was quite suprised to see it...

    Here is is releasing her...You can see the eggs falling...
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    Well needless to say, this continued for about 3 hours...Took him a while to figure out to pick them up, but a few seem to have made it to the nest...We are not in the clear yet though...Still so much that can happen....Stay tunned.
     
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    Oh that last picture of the reds is the female...The male was hiding behing the filter refusing to come out...

    UPDATE-
    Well, my second pair were much more successful at spawning, but unfortunately the male has decided that they eggs made a better snack...He is really doing a great job of guarding an empty nest though!

    Well, there you have it...The joys of Betta breeding...I will recondition the two pairs and hope that the next time is sucessful...It is not uncommon for them "not to get it right" the first time, but be successful in other spawns...I promise I will have baby pics in the future ;) Thanks for sharing!
     
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    Well, im glad everyone enjoyed it...Sort of a real life glimpse at how challenging these little guys can be...It will take about 3 weeks, to heal up the reds and condition them...The Blood Gold HMs (the ones that look like my avatar) maybe 2 weeks...They were virtually unscathed...Ofcourse I always have other pairs ;) There is a Royal Blue pair and Some Black Coppers being introduced to each other...

    Is it just me, or does there seem to be some sort of "etheral light" on this little guy? Perhaps Tiny Tim will save the day?

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    Never Say Die

    Well, looks like my Tiny Tim managed to pull it off...sort of...Once again, a good daddy for about an hour, then SNACK TIME...I removed them before they could eat every last egg....Now what??? Well, now i am a surrogate daddy...Swishing the eggs in my mouth, reblowing the bubble nest...No, I am not serious...Daddys wash the eggs in their mouths to protect them from fungus...Luckily so does Maroxy...I have lowered the tank to about 2.5 inches...Just enough to cover the equipment...The eggs are looking good and should hatch out sometime between tonight and tomorrow night if all goes well...The fry dont need to surface for about 4 days or so because their labyrinth organs are still developing..The key is to keep the surface as low as possible so they can get their on their own...I have never tried this, but apparently it can be successful...Once again, stay tuned.
     
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    Well the "undaddied" eggs rotted....:( However I have another spawn planned for next sunday...Maybe one will get it right lol..I promise you there will be fry pics-----someday lol
     
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    Never Say Die-again

    Well, here we are a month down the road...Everyone has grown a bit and starting to mature nicely...Although Bettas can breed as early as 4 months, 6 is better and much more common...Ofcourse I had to try lol....
    My little Black Copper made a huge bubblenest yesterday, the biggest and most substantial one to date....I said "boy, get yer breedin shoes on..."
    And he did.......

    [​IMG] WELL, HELLOOOOOOOO THERE... ...some dangly tails tomorrow???? Stay tuned!
     
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    Still a full nest!

    Well daddy has been a busy little fishy....I got up at 4 am (fretful grandmother) and he was workin away...COMPLETELY consumed by his task...Barely paused long enough to notice me there...

    8 am feeding time was not much different...Normally they all go berserk because they know breakfast is comming, not him though...Too busy tending eggs...Fed the female and offered him a taste...He paused long enough to eat a couple of crumbs and back to work...

    Noon will mark the 24 hour period...I can expect "tails" anywhere between then and noon tomorrow...The tank is a little warmer then usual, 82 degrees, so this may speed up the process a bit...

    Not much to do now except wait and hope he keeps up his great daddy skills :)
     
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    Not much to report....This pair has been cursed with constantly dropping eggs...Sometimes it happens, as fast as he puts them up, more drop...This can be a tiring process another reason why you use healthy young stock...Takes alot of energy to chase the eggs...Eggs left on the bottom will eventually rot so the fact tht he is intent on keeping them up is a good sign...

    Proper conditioning is so essential, particularily in this situation...He is using a TON of energy...Without proper feeding he would have never been able to do it.

    Updates as they happen :)
     
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    Eggs are still a bobbin...Daddy still goin strong...The good news is I can see a tiny grey speck in the eggs...A baby is in there! Good news because
    a) I know they were fertilized and
    b) I know nobody is sterile...
    I took a few pics, but it is impossible to see them on film...I had to squint with a magnifyng glass to spot them...To put it into perspective, you can fit about 3 eggs on the head of a pin...Most of that egg is yolk sac...

    No matter how many spawns I have, I am always fascinated by these tiny mircles...It is almost impossible to immagine that these teeny specs will be beautiful young adults in 3 months. Hope I havnt cursed them lol!

    You know what they say about counting chickens!
     
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    We Have Tails

    Yes, just saw an egg drop down with a tail hanging out! They have begun to hatch... The eggs are dropping faster now...The fry are trying to break out of their "cysts" and they are totally helpless...Daddy is REALLY working now, trying to keep them up in the nest...Over the next several days their internal organs will develop as well as their labyrinth organ...They have no functioning swim bladder and are unable to control any movement...Basically all they can do is fall to the bottom...Good parental skills is imperative for the fry to survive the first few days of life...
     
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    New baby pics

    I managed to get a half way reasonable pic of the fry guys...So tiny, almost impossible to photo...Most of them have hatched now, and clinging for dear life onto the side of the styrofoam cup :)

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    Daddy is still working his fins off...No rest for the wicked!
     
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    New baby pic

    Well things have finally settled down in the bubble nest...No more frantic parachuting from the nest...Daddy is finally getting a break! I just took a picture of the fry guys...Notice how much darker they are!
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    Their yolk sacs will be depleted by tommorow or the next day so they should start trying to get into a horizontal position...As soon as the can move about "horizontally" they will start looking for food...Daddys job will finally be done and he can go home to get some much needed rest.

    Taking care of your breeding stock is very important after spawning...The process is long and tiring and your fish can succumb to infection and disease easily in this exhausted state... Feeding should be done sparingly, but more often...Remember the male has not really eaten in 3 days, so gobbling up a bunch of food at once can cause stomach upset. Split a normal portion into 2 and feed twice instead of once. I also soak mosquito larva in a shot glass with some Kent ZOE in it...A liquid multivitamin that will help them on the road to recovery.
     
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    Exploring a new world

    I removed Daddy at 9 am this morning after a job well done...Not as many fry as yesterday, however they have started to leave the nest and investigate their new world...Probably be a few weeks until I have an idea of how many there are...Their bellys are not as full as they were, so they have almost consumed their yolk sac...They will start really looking for food tomorrow or so.
    I noticed a significant number missing last evening...They were not free swimming yet so I was starting to worry...WHere did they go? Did he eat them??? I figured that he did, so i thought it was a good time to give him some larva...Low and behold he ejected about 20 out of his mouth back into the nest and had a real snack...Seems that he is enjoying mouthbrooding...He is a funny guy!
    Daddy is now back in the adult tank and recovering nicely...Already flaring at his neighbour :)

    As always- updates as they happen
     
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    More Fry pics

    You asked, I snapped :)
    It took several attempts to get a pic, but I did manage to get two...
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    Fry are doing well and eating lots...Not much else to report really...Gonna be a few weeks before they really show up on film...
     
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    Fry guys

    The little fry guys and gals are doing well...Still not much more then bellies with eyes...

    Still wont see even the slightest hint of colour for a few weeks yet :(
     
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