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Siamese Algae Eater (SAE) questions

Discussion in 'Freshwater Bottom Dwellers' started by jaysen, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. jaysen

    jaysen i eat rats like you for breakfast!

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    Which one are you talking about?

    True Siamese Algae Eater (Crossocheilus siamensis) is not aggressive and will eat BBA.
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    Flying Fox (Epalzeorhynchus kallopterus) is slightly aggressive towards other species but more aggressive towards members of their own species.
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    False Siamese Algae Eater (Garra taeniata) like other Garra species have a similar behavior with the flying foxes.;)
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    On another note, we'll need a sticky thread for this to squash any possible misconceptions.:screwy:
     
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    jaysen i eat rats like you for breakfast!

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    true siamese
     
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    Good point on making this a sticky. I would like to also add in that these are often confused with Chinese Algae Eaters, often selling to newbies claiming they are the docile of the two (SAE vs CAE) which is incorrect. In fact, as these CAE's mature, they grow more and more aggressive.

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    As for your question, I have 3 SAE's and they have never bothered any of my plants, if not only to eat the algae off them and that includes java ferns and moss. They are considered one of the only fish to successfully clean a tank of Black brush algae... and to this I am a witness. My tank was pretty bad off and when I added them, it took them a month to become interested in it and when they did... it was gone virtually overnight. They do need to be supplemented without algae present though.
     
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    jaysen i eat rats like you for breakfast!

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    me fear is an outbreack of the black beard algae again. i struggled with that plague for years. i have flagfish, shrimp, and bn plecos but im not sure if they will do it. i was just curious after the warnings i received today.
     
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    Rosy barbs, true SAE's and American flagfish (Jordanella floridae) will eat BBA.

    In my experience, none of the true SAE's I kept are aggressive. Anyone who says they suck slime coat or harass owns not a true SAE's but possibly the false ones. Someone in another forum asked me if SAE's suck slime coat because his does. It eventually turned out to be the Garra species because I pointed out the mouth structure of the true SAE does not enable it to actually suck.

    This is a good topic to squash more misconceptions.:)
     
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    I keep forgetting to add that my SAE's have never eaten Java moss nor any plants other than the BBA and green filamentous algae.:)

    Thank you for making this a sticky, DD.:hearts: It will really help especially those who are not familiar with the differences among the four well-known cyprinids.;)
     
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    My SAEs eat the new growth on my java moss. They won't eat the old parts, but they mow down the new stuff like someone trimming a bonzai plant.
     
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    so then i take it that means they will eat java moss. that is too bad. ill stick with the shrimp and flagfish and hope for the best.
     
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    Last time I had Java moss, my SAE never even touch the Java moss.
     
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    Many folks confuse the eating of algae our human eyes don't see with the actual eating of the plant. I have always had SAEs and java moss and nobody in my tanks has ever done me the favor of eating any of my moss.
     
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    for anyone interested im gonna be making an internet order for them in a week or 2. shipping is expensive so anyone in nyc interested in some and wouldnt mind splitting shipping, pm me.
     
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    i was told mixed stories about sae's eating bba?( black beard algae). some say they eradicate it and others say they just graze a little and do nothing to control it. anyone have any experiences to contribute?
     
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    The love the stuff.. They may not eradicate it completely, as that would be really hard for them to do, however they do keep it basically gone from view.
     
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    all i needed to know lol. thanks
     
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    also i have the bba on my java moss...can they eat it off very thin leaves plants ( hornwort too), or just glass and thick leaved plants?
     
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    the can eat it off anything, jay. They have done so in my tank. Make sure though that the plant in question isn't in danger of dying before they get to it. I had to push mine to eating it though when I first got them because the tank went about of month with them in it and not touching it. I put the tank in shut down, did everything as I normally do with lights and all except I didn't feed them for a couple days, maybe 3. After that, continue to feed the tank as normal, don't overindulge because of the 3 day no feeding. Soon, you will begin to see them making a change.
     
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    thanks dd. im looking forward to them. hopefully they will save me the hassle of bleaching everything.
     
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    I have Java moss and 9 SAE, mine do not eat the moss.
     
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    i just got 12 a few days ago but they havent touched the black beard algae. how long does it normally take? i dont feed them algae wafers or any other vegetarian foods.
     

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