Tom Barr...question re: "KH is OK, but PH is waaaayyyy low...help?!?"

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29gallonsteve

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Tom,

I would love your feedback on this one...I am puzzled...

Thanks,
Steve
 

29gallonsteve

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It leaves me confused, thats what (lol).

I am perplexed...I have 2 bottles of AP pH test solution. They are both consistent. In addition, they are testing my tap water at 7.2 (so I know it is working).

Is it possible to have such a high concentration of CO2, AND a high concentration of O2, in that the fish don't have a problem with respiration?

Thanks,
Steve
 

RTR

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Did you test your tap water fresh from the tap or aged/aerated? If the former, the test is meaningless - you need an off-gassed baseline for tap.

Did you compare the KH of the two, and are you using current tank KH for your calculation of CO2?
 

djlen

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You said in your original post the the pH was, "6.0 - 6.4" and the kH was 5.5. I split the difference.....6.2 @ 5.5 kH = 104.108ppm.
The fish are fine.
One of three things.....bad test kit, mis-read by tester(I don't think so), something in that tank is causing an inaccurate acidic reading.
Len
 

29gallonsteve

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Len,

I will have to re-run the KH test...I also need to run comparison to my tap water.

Will let you know what the deal with that is...

Thanks for all of your help!!!

Thanks,
Steve
 

29gallonsteve

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RTR - Using current tank for reading of KH...I need to do a baseline from the tap.

One question...do you aerate the test for KH or just pH?

Thanks,
Steve
 

carpguy

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The water coming out of your tap has been under pressure and has probably been quite a bit colder than it is just now. That means that it had a much higher capacity for holding gasses in solution, gasses like CO2 which will drop pH. If you let it sit for a while at room or tank temps (when it has a lower carrying capacity) the water will dump gas into the atmosphere -- it "outgasses".

If you fill up a change bucket with fresh tap and stick your hand and forearm in you'll notice little bubbles forming on your skin, collecting on hairs. Thats outgassing. Aeration will speed the process up, as will giving it a good stir every little bit.

If you test for pH straight out of the tap, you're probably testing water that is unsustainably supersaturated with CO2, and therefore has an unusually low pH. After the water outgasses the pH reading will be truer (and higher).

The carbonate content of the water doesn't outgas, so KH should be the same straight away or the next day.
 

29gallonsteve

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Thanks, Carpguy...

That matches everything I thought was true.

BTW - I tested my tap water for KH...it is the same as my tank...

Therefore...I HAVE SOFTER WATER...Guess I need to break out some crushed coral...

Thanks,
Steve
 
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