I just got in my new HUGE pair of superveil angelfish. Both are close to 12" +tall when their fins are fully out!! They are massive. For a size estimate, I put my hand up to them, and tossed in 2 of my silver dollar+ superveil koi's. The black pair makes the kois look like little babies. LOL!!! I paid ALOT for this pair, so I hope I get a spawn from them within the next few weeks. They are suppose to parent raise as well. I know the pics suck, but my good camera I lost. : ( I had to use a flash, but the pair is pitch black!! The male does have a few scales missing, as that is the way he arrived, but I know they will heal soon.