The Convicts(?) or Maybe Honduran Red Points?

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These guys were sold as convicts, but I think at least the alpha male in the trio is Honduran Red Point, and maybe the beta male. The female looks pretty convicty to me, though. These guys are b/t 1.5"-2.5" or so.



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Here's the alpha male. He's largest and he has some (if I must say so myself) gorgeously long fin extensions.
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And here is a picture of the two males, alpha on bottom.
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And the girly-girl.
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Any input? I could be completely wrong, I'm really not too sure. I think I have the genders right?

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Not sue about the males, but the females in the bottom 2 pics are convicts. They lack the wide banding and spots the others have. If the others are convicts, I would guess possibly a result of cross breeding somewhere in the line.

With as many convicts I have bred and raised, none had the spots and that much blue. The blue thay had was more limited to the outer edges of the fins.
 
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If they were sold to ya as convicts, they are most likely aquarium-strain convicts with HRP blood in their ancestry. 25 years ago there was little or no distinction between the different Amatitlania species; in fact most if not all were generally considered regional strains of the convict, and any newly imported stock was bred to other convicts indiscriminately. I don't recall exactly when the different strains were seriously examined and taxonomists started separating them into different species, but it seems it was the late 1990's or 2000's. I have little doubt that my own convicts have HRP blood in 'em. They look a lot like yers.

Unless I acquired 'em from an importer with a good reputation (who'd probly know exactly what species they were and what location they were collected from anyways), I would not assume any fish sold to me as a convict was anything other than an aquarium strain with a probable mixed ancestry.

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Thanks you two!

I got these at Petsmart, so that's probably what they are, hybrids. I doubt it is a case of misidentification because I'm not aware of Petsmart ever carrying Honduran Red Points.
 
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Thanks you two!

I got these at Petsmart, so that's probably what they are, hybrids. I doubt it is a case of misidentification because I'm not aware of Petsmart ever carrying Honduran Red Points.
 
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For reference..
Here is a Honduran Red Point
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Here is my alpha male
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Here is a convict
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I now definitely agree with the idea of it being a convict/red point hybrid. The beta male develops fulls stripes sometimes, but the alpha never does. The alpha also looks a lot bluer than in the picture, although not quite as blue as the red point. I used a flash and it didn't capture a good representation of the color.

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japbart said:
The females are cons 100%. The male might have a little hrp in him. Here's a vid of my hrp pair for comparison.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAzsHXclKrU&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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Yours have very similar stripes to mine, but mine look a little darker/bluer all around. That may just be from the lighting or the video camera or whatever. Your Red points actually have some red, in the fins. They are really pretty!:)
 
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That's their breeding dress. Hrps show full stripes when in Breeding mode. When their fry got eaten their stripes disappeared. Also, the substrate doesn't show how blue they are. I used to have black sand in this tank and let me tell you the blue on these two were outrageous. Substrate , lighting and tank mates affect how these fish color up.


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