pakkistanni loaches keep dying

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Ben

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hi, i put 4 pakkistanni loaches in my tank a few months back now, and recenlty theyve all died one by one. my stocking is:

6 small cardinal neons
5 black neons
5 red eyed tetra
2 plecs
1 rainbow shark
3 danios
6 platies

its a 3 foot tank. just over 20 gallen. they were all fine for the ages then they just seem to die. there were no signs of fungus or any other disease and the last one that died this morning was swimming happily last night, eating and rooting around in the substrate (sand)
any ideas? could they have been bullied? or is it something else? cheers
 

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Hello Ben,

Sorry about your loss :(

The short answer is I don't know ! But here are some possible causes which you might consider. I am assuming your tank has cycled and has been established for a while as you say they lived for a while before dying one by one. So I won't go down the ammonia/nitrite path.

Firstly your Loaches might be being bullied by either the Plecs or your Rainbow Shark (the latter will certainly chase them). Does your tank have a lot of cover such as Bogwood, pipes, rocks, plant pots or plants? Loaches require hiding places otherwise they get stressed and while normally tough enough to cope with occasionally being chased by Rainbow sharks and Plecs this might have made it unbareable for them in the long term. Normally Plecs, Sharks and Loaches are good tank mates as they are all reasonably tough and can put up with a bit of squabbling which there will be with these fish. If you have little or no cover in the tank I think this is the most likely explaination. Loaches, even with no other tank mates, will not do well in bare tanks.

Secondly is it possible your Loaches starved? IME Loaches like to eat heartily and after a while should have fairly fat bellies. Even the smaller loaches like the Pakistan will probably want some catfish pellets or similar each day as they can be very active and so use up a lot of energy. If you only feed flake then it is possible that they are not getting enough food. Most loaches eat mainly from the bottom and maybe not enough is reaching there, plus the Plecs and Shark will take their share of what does. Both of the later will eat algae but your loaches won't so they will suffer more if little is getting through. Please be careful though as overfeeding is a more usual problem in most tanks :)

My last suggestion is the possibility of them having been starved of oxygen. This is only likely to occur in tanks with little water movement, fairly crowded tanks often with plants and happen over night. Your various tetras and neons are likely to 'sleep' higher up in the tank (where there is more oxygen) and so might the Shark. Your Plecs will gulp air so they are fine in low oxygen enviroments.

So if you have a bare tank, only feed flake or have little water movement these are possibilities. It is strange that the loaches have died. Normally once established these are fairly hardy.

Good luck in finding out.
 
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Ben

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thanks for the response,
the tank is a flooded forest sort of affair, with lots of bog wood, hiding places and plants, (vassilia), amazon sword java moss and some other carpeting plants. the tank is well oxygenated by a fluvial 403, set at quite a high rate, to simulate a river enviroment.
as for feeding i fed them small pellets each day, and each had a faily rounded belly, but starvation could possibly be a problem.
however about an hour before dying they seemed to loose balance and in the traditional dying fish way flopped around on the bottom of the tank. i originally thought they were just sleeping as they did that quite a bit, much to the amusement of my girlfriend, but when they tried to get upright and swim again they were doing anything but that.
any ideas? id like to introduce some more of these fish as they were really interesting to watch, but dont want to if im going to be a murderer again!

cheers
 

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Sounds like a lovely tank Ben.

Well I just don't know. It must be something but nothing springs to mind. If it is some kind of poison leeching from the wood then why are only the Loaches dying? Again if it is some kind of parasite / disease why just them?

You may want to check for some kind of metal poisoning such as copper. Copper is especially tough on scaleless fishes such as loaches. Its great on aquarium fish diseases but not usually recommended for loaches and catfish (no scales). I would have expected the Plecs to be affected to but maybe they are tough enough or the levels low enough for them to be OK. Copper can also stay for a long time in an aquarium if you have ever used it in a med. I believe it can even leech into the glass seelent and so remain even when no water is in the tank then be leeched back later. Its only usually a problem for sensitive marine species though (Reef tanks etc.) at that sort of level.

Have you added something recently to the tank such as a new piece of wood. Could someone have dropped something like a small coin into the tank?

Well good luck and I hope you can solve this. You appear to have a great set up for loaches.
 
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