Betta darting around; I'm concerned

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Beccarain

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Hi everyone; I'm a newbie who has done hours, no days, of research since receiving my betta as an unexpected gift two months ago.

A few days ago, Boomer had a whitish speck on his tail; it’s gone but now he has a small whitish bump under his mouth. Today he started darting more often than normal; he’ll be swimming along then dart, like he’s having a spasm. Also today noticed his bottom fin is a bit shredded with some small holes (does not appear to be rotting though). It’s possible water intake caught him but perhaps it’s from brushing against his cave ornament. He does appear to be brushing against plants more often than usual.

Here are my stats:

NitrAte: 20
NitrIte: 0
Hardness GH: 150-300
Alkalinity KH: 120-180
PH: 7.8
Temp: normally 80-82
5 gal tank set up: 9 July 2005, Cycled 20 August
Water: treat combo tap/RO from lfs w/Aquasafe
Lighting: T5 8W fluorescent (on about 12 hours/day)
About 1” gravel

Weekly: vacuum surface of gravel, change out about 1g of water (20%)

Daily Feed: 4-6 hikari or similar pellets or 2-3 freeze-dried bloodworms, part of a pea once per week (little to no waste) top off water from evaporation

At the time cycled, had outbreak of planaria. I reduced feedings to current feeding schedule (I had been feeding 2x per day) and the little critters died off.

Brown algae (diatoms) also appeared around the time tank cycled; started out yellowy looking and I thought it might be the beneficial bacteria. Gradually turned to darker rust color, in clusters, more of it, and seems to be visible only on surfaces receiving direct light (none visible on the backside of a light colored gray and white decoration), including front surface of tank.

A week ago added anacharis, moneywort, and mondo grass; also added some laterite into gravel (even though I rinsed the laterite water had reddish cloud for about a day). Now have some short hairy looking, white algae at the base of some of the anacharis.

1) What can I do to help Boomer? I’ve read about raising water temp and adding aquarium salt if it’s ich . . .
2) Should I be concerned about the brown algae/diatoms since it appeared a month ago?
3) Should I be concerned about the hair-like algae on the plants?

Thank you in advance for your help; I adore this little guy and I really want to help him.
 
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jaylin

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Aug 14, 2005
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My initial thought for the betta is about a 50% water change, salt and raise temp (keep a close eye on that temp in such a small tank. It's very easy to overheat 5 gal of water). If nothing else, the salt has a bit of a soothing effect on them. You can also try melafix or bettafix (it's great for war wounds, the jury is still out on if it actually does anything for parasites, so I'd probably stick with salt). If you use mela or bettafix it does really funny stuff in small tanks though. It gets real bubbly! You'll also have to do a larger water change the water at least once a week if you use it. I do 90% when I do.

As for the brown algae - I get that sometimes too. I swear it's in my tap water here. One thing that does help is to make sure that your nitrates are not creeping up on you (water changes). Take out a bit of the water, scrape what you can off the sides of the tank. Let the water settle for about an hour then do a gravel vac. That will help remove a lot of it. I can never get my nitrates below 20. Tap water issue I'm sure. And I think that's part of the reason the brown stuff seems to come and go in my tanks.

The best thing I've found to keep that stuff in check is mystery snails. If you don't feed them anything else, they'll take care of it pretty quicky. (If you're like me and like to watch your snails maul algae tabs, they'll ignore the brown stuff.) I like the gold mysteries. They're neato. And, they don't normally reproduce in captivity so you won't be over run with snails. They might munch on your plants a bit though.

The hair-like algae, I've never had that so I can't really speak to it.
 
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Beccarain

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Aug 21, 2005
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Thanks Jaylin . . . I see that I didn't mention what I'd done so far for the brown algae and when I'd done the last tank maint . . .

The stuff cleans off really easy; I did a more thorough gravel vacuuming about two weeks ago after using an algae scraper on the tank walls. The last water change was Saturday, I used the scraper again, lightly vacuumed the surface of as much of the gravel as I could reach around the plants, which took out about a gallon of the water. I then took out his cave ornament and cleaned that off (using water from prev cleaning). I can deal with the ugly brownness as long as it's not harming him. It's not, is it? It's on the new anacharis too but the other plants don't seem to have any visible.

It has been a real challenge keeping his temp stable; small tank in Arizona home where room temp fluctuates a few degrees. I've been using a small fan to help cool him during the day.

Does it sound like he has ich, with it being just one spot? (it looks somewhat bigger than a grain of salt but not sure if that's because of distortion).

Unfortunately I did not have a thorough understanding of the cycling process at the time I put him in his new 5 gal home (thanks to crappy advise from Petsmart); cycling the tank with him may have weakened him somewhat :(

I've read so much conflicting info about salt and Melafix. I'd dosed with MF in the past (he got himself stuck in a hole and scraped his back a bit). He had some small holes in his fin then but those didn't seem to heal until after tank had cycled. How much aquarium salt is advised?

Any thoughts on what's wrong with him?
Again, I greatly appreciate the help anyone can lend!
 

jaylin

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Arizona huh? I used to live there. Don't put a heater in your betta tank. LOL!

Ich can start as one small spot ... but, actually this sounds more like a fungus or something. Salt will take care of that too.

As far as melafix ... I'm just not sure about it yet. I've used it, I've used other products made with the tea tree oil and it does have some healing properties. It's especially good for scrapes and even bruises, but I haven't had the opportunity (misfortune maybe) to use it for parasites or anything like that. And I know salt works in those cases and is also soothing for the fish.

And the brown alage ... I have no proof of this, but I'm going to swear that if it's left too long it contributes to fin rot. I don't know the chemistry behind that, but ... it's just experience with bettas talking. It could be the algae causing it or the water conditions that allow the algae are the same ones that cause fin rot. I don't know. I do know the salt will help prevent that from happening though.

There's a sticky thread someplace out the use of salt. It explains it really well. Or you can do a google search on it. I'd find it for you but I'm a bit pressed for time this morning ... eeek! ... look around or I'm sure someone else will post it for you.
 

Beccarain

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Aug 21, 2005
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I thought your idea of 50% water change and adding salt was a good one; I did that this morning, using 1/2 T of aquarium salt. I also turned off his fan and closed the lid to help raise the temp a few degrees; I'd read that at 86 parasites will die off. I've been at school all day so haven't had a chance to check in on him yet. I did notice this morning some small white particles in the water . . . possible that's part of the ich cycle??

I did use MF on him once; he was playing WCIF and got himself wedged into one of the holes in his cave that I never imagined he would try to fit through :eek: fortunately he came out of it with just two scrapes on his back so I treated with MF for one week and I think it helped him heal. He had some small holes in his bottom fin but MF didn't seem to help those; they finally healed after his tank cycled.

EDIT: The small hole is now blocked!

On a side note, I bought a heater for him awhile back but have had no reason to use it yet :D The coolest the house gets during winter is 70 because of the five parrots I am also sharing life with.

I have tried to post pictures in the past with no luck; plus pictures of him don't come out well (another think I need to research in my leisure time, which I have very little of these days).

I am concerned about the holes in his lower fin--not sure if all these pieces are related or not. Very frustrating. I asked him this morning to tell me what's happening but of course that didn't work out well :thud:

A fungus?? I appreciate learning from your betta experience btw :D
 

jaylin

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Aug 14, 2005
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Heheh ... I'm from the school of trial and error. Muahaha!

Keep up with the salt until the white stuff goes away ... then if his fins are still ripped, try some melafix. I wouldn't try mixing the two treatments, but you really want to make sure his fins are healed up. They can can go from bad to worse so fast it's not even funny.

Also make sure there isn't anything in the tank he can rip his fins on easily. Those fins can be so delicate and bettas are so curious. You'd be surprised what they can damage their fins on.
 
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