Mafia #29 Biological Badlands #2

The Zigman said:
You want to know if I have played Mafia before?
- Only once, the game prior to this, and I UD'd - My mom had bypass surgery and I missed the vote.

As for my opinion?

I look at it this way, I know I was set up for Zsandmann being hit, he and I were at each other's necks.. the evils put the hit on him, making me look evil, most of us realize that it would be a pretty brazen move for the mafia ( If I was the head honcho) to put a hit on Zsand after that. Most of you believe that I was set up, yet there are a few still convinced I did it..that I am the Evil doctor..

CL seems to top that list, along with:
Catfish & Ice
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ICE,
You missed this post in your quotefest above, after ZSmann was proven innocent, this is when I rethought my suspects list. I still feel this way, thus my vote for CL.
 
Well, I am at a loss for who to vote for. My mind is spinning with names. I'll be back in a couple hours to cast my vote, hopefully by then I'll have a better idea on who to vote for.
 
IceH2O said:
This has really been bugging me.Grins. JL was on LG.
JL was the 1st one on an innocent and dead JM. (sounds nasty doesn't it)
But I'm the one getting the flack for voting LG? My case was fluff, well what about JL?Then you leave JL off your list of who is not on a team. Just something that bothered me and I thought should be mentioned.
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Evil masterminds tend to herd the herd the cattle so to speak..not lead the stampede from the front. At that point JL seemed way to visible by starting the morse and remaining active with it, and leaving himself too open for critique by voting first for JM and staying on her.

You at the same time were following the playbook of a power mafia player. You have been cautious when you're mafia to not shrink into the background and play as aggressively as you do when trying to chase mafia out of town. It makes you a power player. My flaw when I'm a townie...I can become hyperfocused on someone I know is a power player and that allows good players I'm not as threatened by to float under the radar. When I went back and reviewed the thread yesterday morning I saw I was doing that and began to open my eyes to some of the other nuances in posts.
 
Nightfall is tonight at 8 right?

I want to get a vote out there, at this point I feel JPap is looking most mafia like. I'm open to discussion on it and changing my vote. Last night I said that JPap isn't likely to be on a team with Cory or Hooked. I'm less sure about Ice and JL being on a team with him but still not thinking it likely. I could see a Jpap, Ogre, Zig team. I can see other teams as well, but I'm basing that on Jpap looking the most mafia like to me at the moment.

I vote to genetically test JPap
 
I went back to review some of Day one happenings and review the votes, I typed this from scratch so if there are errors let me know.

Cory JL(4)
Jpap JL(8)
Plant Ogre (20)
Grins Jpap(74) JM(173) ZSand (179)
John (LadyG(81)
LadyG Ice (12) JL122)
Ogre Hook(123) Ice(144) Cat(176)
Hook Zig (163)
Zig Zsand(172) Cat(209) ZSand(210) Hook(228) Ice (259)
JMax John(204) Plant(252) Hook(255) Jpap(260) Grins (266)
ZSand Zig (214)
Ice Grins(231) Ogre (240)

Now that I suspect Jpap with a possible Ogre/Zig team it brings up new thoughts. I see that Jpap voted safely in the middle of the train on JM.

Ogre switched an early vote on Plant and moved it to Ice who had been on him pretty hard. At the time I remember being a bit uneasy about his reasoning because he'd never seem to give my thoughts much credit previously yet in switching to Ice he did. In retrospect I'm seeing where he might have jumped on the thought he could get rid of Ice.

Zig keeping his vote on Zsand and ZSand is still a nagging doubt but not enough for me ignore other aspects.

Oh, and none of the 3 voted for one another on day 1 as well.

jpappy789 said:
So far I have:

Jmax
Ice
Grins
Zsand

on my short list...
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Now that list raises my eyebrow. I know 3 innocents are there...JM, ZSand and me. Understanding the rest of the town can't be asure as I am about me at least see that he had two of the people offed night one on his most suspected list.
 
Grins said:
As of post 505 the votes are at:

Ice Ogre(348) John(477)
Zig Ice(366) Ice(498)
Grins Cat(397/445)
Cory Zig (448)
JPap Grins (504)
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why are some in red?
 
The Zigman said:
ICE,
You missed this post in your quotefest above, after ZSmann was proven innocent, this is when I rethought my suspects list. I still feel this way, thus my vote for CL.
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CL, Catfish, and Ice were or are highly suspicious of you and they are your only suspects? It's a Mafia trait to only suspect those who suspect you. I have been flip-flopping about you and as beloved Mafia player Mee-Mee used to say I will "hang my head in shame" if you are tested and innocent tonight, but I just feel that the sudden rush of votes onto JudgeMax was in an attempt to save you.

I vote to genetically test Zigman.

Subject to change if a better candidate comes to light.

I can see Zigman being on a team with Ogre and HN or as Grins has already stated Ogre and JP. As others have already pointed out Zigman's list was very similar to Ogre's at the start of the game. And JP and HN are the ones I suspect the most on the JM train. Though I highly doubt both of them are evil.

I will be back on later this afternoon and hopefully won't continue to have internet problems.
 
IceH2O said:
So where does he sit now? You just pulled an Ogre.Your list has him at innocent but you brought forward a post in which you thought he was evil after you thought he was innocent. When did he switch back to innocent?

Even if he is Harpo, its a weak PR and is pretty meaningless to come out. If Harpo is killed the vials go to someone else,its not like they disappear from the game.

For now I vote to genetically test Zigman
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I am not sure if I pulled an "Ogre", there was more than 5 minutes between my switch.

I remember that post by catfish really bothering me, then kinda forgot about it. I am not sure what he is trying to even say.

Here is the post -

catfish69hunter said:
and what makes you think im evil cause for all you know i could be hypo and you will be begging me later to save your butt from the lynch mob and use my return to life vial on you or i could be evil and just rying to get you out of the way or even more i could be a good bio scientist but if you keep trying to come after you will never find out wwill you because i could just stop posting up until vote time then noone will have any idea about me
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Cat posted this in response to ZSandmann's questions. It was a pretty good discussion going on. It is almost ZS vs Zig and Cat, when you look at it.

I can see Cat and Zig being evil together and them wanting to hit ZS.

I retract my vote on Ice and vote to genetically test Zigman

I also do not remember seeing Cat even make any comments about ZS's death, but if you look at some of these posts, you can see that Cat was pretty sure of ZS being evil.

If Zig comes up evil, my next vote will be for Cat. If Zig is not evil, then I will most likely want to find out more about Ice and Ogre. Maybe even HN.
 
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