Mafia #47 "Ghost Hunters"

Whoa, Jpap! defending a team mate here?

How so? This is a case FOR luckydud, not in the defense of Opi. I've expressed my concerns for her today but I'm not at all confident with a vote or really even naming her as a suspect atm.

Just because I named you, doesn't make me evil :headshake2:
 
Yea, I read your earlier posts but "declaring me innocent" just does not sit right with me. Altho I am flattered it is a definite red flag.

Why? Just out of curiosity? What part of my logic doesn't make sense? I'm open to improving my theory....Wouldn't it make sense to make you leaning towards innocent given that a) I think Rich is evil b) I don't think evils voted the same on the first night and c) I think lucky is the new recruit?
 
I very much disagree (and not just because I voted for DD :silly:).

If I were a "mafia" (or troubled soul? whatever...) I would keep DD in as long as poll. From my limited game play experience and what people have said, DD is often the victim of much suspicion...perhaps because she plays so well. Why would the "mafia" eliminate someone who can easily be used as a distraction from themselves? They wouldn't they would keep DD in as long as possible knowing that she will always draw some of the pressure off them and on to her. If I were a "mafia", I would take out the people who like to ask a lot of questions and contribute good theories. No offense to DD, but I don't see this as much in her. I think her play style is more a long the lines of being unreadable.

So, my new approach will be to focus on the people who didn't vote for DD, but voted on someone who was a contributor.

so in other words - to completely discount all who voted for DD, thus giving them a free pass....even the scum that was in the mix, Opi included.
 
I repeat, I in no way gave them innocence. They are all still suspects in my book...The only person I have declared innocent (for now) is you, Noods.

I just threw them off my immediate suspects list. However, I completely agree with the theory that one of them is an evil who was just following the crowd, that makes sense. I just don't think any of the people who really pushed for DD are evil....someone who saw that it would be easy to tack on a vote and follow along since it looked like DD was doomed anyway, is acceptable, imo.

Why? Just out of curiosity? What part of my logic doesn't make sense? I'm open to improving my theory....Wouldn't it make sense to make you leaning towards innocent given that a) I think Rich is evil b) I don't think evils voted the same on the first night and c) I think lucky is the new recruit?

"Declaring me innocent" and "me leaning towards innocent" are two very different things and I feel uncomfortable with it - like you are trying to draw attention to me......sorry if I hit a soft spot. I certainly like the fact that I am not at the top of your list but your use of words is certainly concerning........and worth watching - closely.
 
How so? This is a case FOR luckydud, not in the defense of Opi. I've expressed my concerns for her today but I'm not at all confident with a vote or really even naming her as a suspect atm.

Just because I named you, doesn't make me evil :headshake2:


It may have been a case for Lucky but it was very defending of Opi, who is on my suspect list....maybe i interpretted your post wrong, but that how i sees it.
 
so in other words - to completely discount all who voted for DD, thus giving them a free pass....even the scum that was in the mix, Opi included.

:::sigh::: I said "focus on"...that does not imply any free passes whatsoever.

Are you trying to make me suspicious of you, now? LOL....Because its working. You are really unwilling to let this go, and it's clear that you are now seeing me as an easy target to point people towards, you and Lucky start a train and get me voted off so the evils are safe for another day.

Perhaps its a Noods & Lucky team. And Rich is just a suspicious character???:huh:

Hmmm....
 
well, the pace is picking up and lots of fun but I really need to fix dinner for the hung-over hubby and do some housework type crap! more later.............
 
:::sigh::: I said "focus on"...that does not imply any free passes whatsoever.

Are you trying to make me suspicious of you, now? LOL....Because its working. You are really unwilling to let this go, and it's clear that you are now seeing me as an easy target to point people towards, you and Lucky start a train and get me voted off so the evils are safe for another day.

Perhaps its a Noods & Lucky team. And Rich is just a suspicious character???:huh:

Hmmm....


please refer to post #294.
 
"Declaring me innocent" and "me leaning towards innocent" are two very different things and I feel uncomfortable with it - like you are trying to draw attention to me......sorry if I hit a soft spot. I certainly like the fact that I am not at the top of your list but your use of words is certainly concerning........and worth watching - closely.

Sorry, I had meant leaning (heavily...though....given my old theory) towards innocent. So...you were the only one that I had suggested/called innocent thus far is what I meant (to me, its really all the same...both mean that you are at the bottom of my list). But not 100%...(and definitely not any longer).

My apologies, I didn't mean to be confusing. I really need to wait til I have free time to respond to these things instead of doing it on the fly.
 
Sorry for the long post but once you get a hold of something its hard to let go. I know not all of these players can be evil but it gives me a suspect list and a way to watch from day to day.
I am going to try to keep the players in their own section so this is not chronologically correct.



Lucky is becoming more of a concern for me based on his recent posts. Fire is also creeping up the list. I think my suspect list may be doing a complete 180 this day cycle.

Heh, Ice. I'm scared when we're on the same page. I was actually thinking of voting for jpap at the time when I was reading the exchange between him and DD. Especially when John jumped for DD.

I hate seeing this, then afterwards he doesn't vote Jpap. He decides Jpap is more likely to be innocent. See below

Jpap, once again, my wishy-washyness is showing and now, with everyone jumping on you, I'm starting to think you more innocent. It's mainly my typical day-1 rant that no one ever listens to... someone who says something silly on day one is most probably innocent. The bad guys are being VERY careful with what they say.



I will be home in a couple of hours and I will then have time to read again, compile my thoughts & hopefully come up with a less than worthless vote....

Is any vote worthless? Did you mean you didn't want to be 1st on someone? Was it you didn't want to be 1st or you didn't want to be alone and have to move?


well, 4 is not necessarily a magic number but it is a significant number of votes when there are only a few left that have not voted - myself included.

I am never "trusting" of DD but am also not ready to vote her out yet. I do not wish to place a useless lone vote out there either.

I am gonna have to go with a sort of random vote right now...I vote to take the soul of Johnlarson66. This is subject to change....Something just is not sitting right with him at this moment, more so than DD...Lucky is definately on my radar, but as I said a lone vote would be stupid and useless......

Here she won't vote DD and won't vote Lucky because she thinks she will be alone there so she jumps on the mini train of John hoping that others follow? Doesn't matter which innocent goes home huh? Not saying JL is innocent but having you as a suspect makes him innocent per diem.

Why? Because I really had no one to go off of besides John, and the only reason that Noodles is second is because of her "panda theory". I mean come on!

Distancing?

However, one thing has stood out to me. Opi listed DD as a top suspect twice after DD commented on Rickets. She then said that she would probably vote her but wait for a response. But as soon as Ice switched to DD, Opi followed. Problem was DD never responded during that time. Classic mafia following.

I vote to take the soul of Opicana


It has been proven and admitted by Jpap at a later date he was wrong about the timing.


Very excellent point jpap! I have been cautious about Opi myself, but have given her the benefit of the doubt as she is somewhat of a newb, but then I remember that she also plays in other venues!.....I would be willing to change my vote to Opi if it would make a difference......

Now Noodles is willing to jump to Opi. Really starting to look like Noodles will jump anywhere that will take out somebody, except DD.

if my vote would serve the innocents better elsewhere I would be more than happy to change it. I am afraid I am not thinking too clearly on my own tonite and do not want to "follow" the wrong lead...my suspicions are on JL, DD (of course!), Lucky and Opi.....pfft! hows that for narrowing it down for ya?!

here she admits to vote for anyone even DD but still doesn't vote DD


DD is still looking iffy to me: I think that jpap is innocent. Someone posted a theory that DD is evil, and would not vote him just to prove her innocence. Shortly thereafter, she does the opposite, possibly trying to deflect the suspicion away from herself.


never like seeing that stated on Day 1



I understand the timing issue, and I probably should have thought about that more in depth. 4 minutes... it's hard to say whether you were typing at the same time Ice posted.

I only said it's "mafia-like" following because it seemed to me as you waited for someone else to commit to the vote even though you said quite a bit that DD was your top suspect and probable vote getter. Sort of a "look at them, not me. I didn't start it!" sort of thing. You had DD as pretty much a done vote unless she responded but it looked like you decided that if other people would vote for her, you might as well get it in, even if her response later was good enough to make you switch thoughts.

Kind of weak reasoning but it's all I got at this point.



Sorry to hear this Noods :(



I missed that too. Dang. I feel really iffy about my vote but my other suspects at the moment are rickets and DD. Another lone vote and a train, not an ideal situation to switch votes.

Your question to noodles brings up another point of mine. Noodles was one to voice her opinions on me once votes were first thrown out, then she kind of is suspicious of Opi for what I said...but she admits to a random-ish vote on JL...odd.



Fire, I'm interested in why you think I'm innocent (I know, before I was wondering why I was so suspicious to everyone else...) I only ask because you flat out say it, rather than lean me a certain way. Bold statement this early.

Also, could you give a post numbers of the stuff you referenced?

Here Jpap rips Opi for her post then in the same post admits he had the timing wrong in answer to my post.

Because I currently think you are innocent. I didn't see crazy uncalled for defensiveness that others seemed to see, and I think that that means you were truly wondering about the suspicion, and not being shifty. You could be the murderer for all I really know, but I don't think so. Also, "leaning" has gotten me into trouble on day 1 before.


A second time Fire says Jpap is innocent.

I can't think of any specific correlations myself Ice. All I know is that usually when DD and myself go at it we are both innocent, but there is always a first. Usually she plays pretty aggressive during those games so I"m not entirely sure where I stand...

Did Jpap know DD was going to show innocent and therefore hope we think he must also be innocent?

I retract my vote from rickets and vote to take the soul of noods. Sorry babe, but the newbie/suck at the game card doesn't fly. Best reason I've seen for this day 1 so far.

seriously Ogre the best reason? want to explain to us why this overruled any other reasons? Then you go from a lone vote on Rickets to Noods. Could be distancing here also.

And the whole DD situation, just because she is aggressive doesn't mean that she is mafia, not that I'm sticking up for her, but I have tried to change my play style ever game, to see which best fits a certain situation, and which I feel most comfortable doing. Perhaps this is what she's doing. But its no reason to vote for her.

Basically saying he thinks DD is innocent

I am not playing favorites, but I don't think that Noods was playing the newb card. I think that she did just have a slight melt down. Heck I am sure everyone would if your son was going to Iraq, and a C.O. officer confirmed your address, seriously ogre, jump much?

Now saying Noods is innocent.
:iagree: There were quite a few that voted her last night. I only have a minute right now, but I will certainly be looking at who really wanted her out of the way....

I'm sure you will be.

I repeat, I in no way gave them innocence. They are all still suspects in my book...The only person I have declared innocent (for now) is you, Noods.

Woah another innocent claim? There can't be that many evils.

so in other words - to completely discount all who voted for DD, thus giving them a free pass....even the scum that was in the mix, Opi included.

Yeah I was on DD, I posted on DD so I expect to be looked at. But I don't trust you at all Noods,especially with how you were all over the place willing to hide everywhere and anywhere except onto DD whom you said you would vote for. I think you look more suspicious than anyone that was on DD at the time except maybe Fire but only because you posted more then her.



I tried to keep a level post but there was way to much to move around. I hope you guys can follow it.

Of the ones I posted about I'd have to say Noods, Fire, Lucky are the top 3 suspects. Only 2 could have been team mates at the time. I'd lean towards Noods and Lucky as the starting team though.


Jpap drops down but not out. I could see that he could be kicking bushes and not attacking but I don't like some of his posts.

Ogre I'd like to hear more from. I don't like single votes but I can relate to a day 1 single. Just not after stating you don't like day 1 singles then moving to another day 1 single.
 
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