Where do I place my heaters?

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So I'm setting up my 210 gallon fish only tank. I have the filters and protein skimmer in place and I need to place my heaters (at some point....I am trying to mock everything up) and I have narrowed it down to 2 places....the green bars and the red bars in the pic. I lean towards the red bars, because they are more centrally located and there is a lot of stuff on the ends (not pictured) like the skimmer, fitler intakes and returns, BioWheels, etc.
Where would you put them?
Thanks in advance!
Robbie

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It shouldn't matter to much, provided that you have good water circulation. I would go with whatever looks best in the tank.

Any reason why you aren't going to put a sump below the tank. With all that equipment it would greatly reduce the clutter in the tank. Since its empty you could drill the tank or just go with a hang on back overflow. I think this would make more sense in your application.

If you decide to leave it the way you have it, get rid of the biowheels. You don't need that in a saltwater aquarium. The live rock and sand will perform the biological process.
 
It shouldn't matter to much, provided that you have good water circulation. I would go with whatever looks best in the tank.

Any reason why you aren't going to put a sump below the tank. With all that equipment it would greatly reduce the clutter in the tank. Since its empty you could drill the tank or just go with a hang on back overflow. I think this would make more sense in your application.

If you decide to leave it the way you have it, get rid of the biowheels. You don't need that in a saltwater aquarium. The live rock and sand will perform the biological process.
I honestly don't know why I didn't go with a sump. The one that was with this tank is here, but it's missing pieces and I have no idea how to put it together or what it needs to be operational. So I bought the Magnums out of impatience, I guess. I got a good deal on eBay. Maybe what I'll do is piece the sump back together in the future and sell the Magnums, or use them for future tanks (which I unfortunately think there will be more of).
As far as drilling the tank, that just scares the hell out of me:). When I use the sump in the future, I'll probably just plumb it over the back, and then move my skimmer into the sump.
I don't think I will put any live rock in to begin with, just live sand. I have a ton of rock, and I want to use it first and supplement it later with some live rock. Why should I get rid of the biowheels? My understanding is that they provide more biological filtration....am I wrong or misled?
Maybe I'll dig my sump out and figure out what I need to make it operate.
Thanks!!
Robbie
 
Yeah I meant rock in general. It will become live rock and perform the biological filtration once you cycle the tank.

The biowheels and canister filters with media in them provide a place for detritus to collect. Since water is flowing through there are no anaerobic areas. That means they can't complete the nitrogen cycle and you are left with nitrate building up. Live rock and sand beds have areas that are oxygen deprived and anaerobic bacteria will thrive. It converts nitrate into nitrogen gas. You best bet is to use live rock rubble in the canister.

To give you an example when I had my 56gal tank I had a Rena XP2 canister filter with the media that came in it. I cleaned it every few days and still I couldn't keep my nitrates lower than 20ppm. I moved all the rock, sand and added more rock, and sand over to my new 90gal tank. My nitrates are <5 ppm constantly.

Some people like canister filters, it all comes down to personal preference. I just didn't have a good experience with it and found myself constantly cleaning the thing.

If you had a freshwater tank the canister filter with biowheel would be the way to go. The filter is the only thing in the tank that provide the biological filtration. Where as with saltwater you can setup a tank with just powerheads, live rock, and sand it be successful. The sump just provides a place for the equipment.

If you decide to setup the sump it shouldn't be too hard to do. You'll need a hang on back overflow. The water drains from there down to the sump. The overflow box skims the surface of the water so water will only drain when more water is put into the tank (return pump's job). So unless it clogs or breaks siphon the tank won't overflow or drain.

You need a return pump at the other end of the sump. Baffles are placed in the sump to divide the areas. The only thing you really need to take into consideration is the return lines. When you turn off the return pump the return lines will siphon water back into the sump until they suck in air. There are two methods to preventing a flood.

One place the return line an inch or two below the water surface. Then only that much water will drain out of the tank. This is the safest method. Or drill siphon break holes just below the surface of the water in the return pipe. Water will drain till those holes are exposed and air gets in stopping the siphon. However these holes can be clogged by snails, etc and you should clean them out when performing weekly maintenance.

Heres a link to my 90gal thread. Well that last upgrades to it. My tank came drilled with an overflow, but you can use the same idea for the returns and the sump. I have my skimmer, heater, macro algae, and phosban reactor in the sump. The live rock rubble where the return pump is cuts down on the micro bubbles. I was going to put in baffles to get rid of micro bubbles but I've read that they are ineffective in getting rid of the small bubbles. Only a longer sump or slower return flow will do that as they need time to rise to the surface.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119314

The baffles are 1/4" acrylic that I cut on a table saw. I secured them in place with GE I silicon. Since silicon doesn't stick well to acrylic so you need to place a nice bead on either side to act as a wall to keep it in place. You can use glass, but I couldn't find any local shops around here that sell it. The 1/16" or 1/8" glass you can get at Home Depot isn't going to cut it and can break easily if just that one compartment is filled. Some people will cut up an old glass tank to get their baffles.
 
Robbie: if you post a picture of your sump we can help identify what is missing. I have my heater, et al in the sump so my tank is clear but for the pwerheads.

BTW- great looking aquarium, perfect location. I can't wait to see how it looks when you start to fill it.
 
Ok, now I'm confused...just when I thought I had it somewhat figured out:).
So, if I use the Magnums, I should take off the Biowheels. And I should use some filter medium other than the charcoal or micron filter that came with the Magnums? Will it cause any trouble to leave the biowheels? It sounds to me (and please correct me if I'm wrong) like the live sand that I want to put in will take care of the biological filtration, and the canister filters and skimmer will knock out the debris. Is this right? And will I be somewhat successful with this setup? I know it seems like I've plunged into this without any research, but I have read a bit on SW setups (The New Saltwater Aquarium, The ABCs of Marine Aquariums, etc). Apparently it didn't take, though:huh:.
Here is the sump that I have. It looks a little better than I remember, although I think the overflow box was broken. When I find it, I'll know. I am going to feel like a complete @$$ if all it needs is a pump and an overflow box......
Thanks to all of you for your help (and future help...heehee.)!!!!
Robbie

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That a volkswagon thing in the background? Just wondering as years ago my neighbor had one.

Wait for some other comments about the biowheel / canisters before making up your mind. When you first put in the rock and sand I would run the media in the canister which will help you get the floating crap out of the water.
 
Thanks...that's what I'll do then. I want it to work well and I don't really want to set up a tank that's going to frustrate me out of the hobby. But I also would like to use what I have bought.
Yep, that's a Thing. My latest addition to the VW stable, bought about 6 months ago. It's a blast!
Thanks again,
Robbie
 
Robbie: can I trouble you for a few more pics of the sump. To me it appears to be a wet/dry filter. I can't quite make out the black, but it appears to be the firm sponge as part of the filtration system.

Can you do some alternate views so we can see the compartments. Looks like all the major bits are there. Did you have a HOB overflow? or was the tank plumbed for a closed loop system? I think we can make this work if you want.

Appears that Amiracle doesn't make this one anymore....here is the site for the current models and you can see the use of the HOB overflow.

http://foryourfish.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/FYF-F-AF2.htm
 
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